IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #10

[katydid23]

Just my opinion regarding the statements made by mom(and I'm always in catch up reading mode with this case so forgive/disregard if already stated)..

I'm also a born/raised Southern Baptist tho as an adult have definitely not adhered to the majority of the good ol Southern Baptist ways/rules.. But nonetheless am very familiar with this type of verbiage used.. With that said what struck me about the two statements were number one they appear IMO to be quite contradictory of one another ATLEAST in looking at the basis of each of the two statements.. And tied into that same issue is number two that IMO the first statement was very much an accusatory tone/nature that she is almost like "calling out" God/Lord in a very real way..

As in Lord, all eyes are on you to make this happen.. IMO even a hint of a threatening tone of God better follow through and do what's right in bringing the girls home and that all the pressure and eyes are upon Him(God) to make sure that happens..

Again that's jmo and I could be reading it entirely wrong but it is what my initial thoughts/feelings were upon reading the two statements re:God..

IMO the second statement as I mentioned earlier appears to be almost the direct opposite tone/nature than that of the first statement.. Whereas in the first it was almost a threatening, calling out type of over all tone.. The second statement IMO could not be more different or opposite of the first..

The second appears to be stating that she's putting all her faith in God and trusting that He will do what's best(ie. IMO of course the hope would be to have the girls brought home alive).. But regardless of that particular wording of "alive or dead".. IMO just the overall tone/nature of the second statement couldn't be more opposite or contradictory than the overall tone and verbiage used in the first statement..

Anywhoo.. Sorry to drone on just throwing in my 2cents and if already discussed please forgive/disregard..

Back to lurking and reading mode

I totally agree. In the first one she seems to be almost threatening GOD/

As in, 'Everyone is watching you,you'd better do right by us. '

But the second statement, is like you described, almost the opposite. She is saying she trusts in only the lord, and whatever happens is what is supposed to be. Seems weird, in comparison.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm just catching up after being a thread behind, a couple of comments I wanted to make.

1. I don't have an issue with the way MCM talks, behaves, etc I'm pretty sure I'd be making inappropriate jokes because that's what I do when I'm stressed and nervous. I have laughed at a funeral, not my proudest moment. But I just get awkward and nervous and do the absolutely last thing expected.

2. Heather's shoes are super cute and I can't believe she got flack for looking nice. If my child ever goes missing, expect me in 5 inch heels at all times.

 

[Marilynilpa]

SBM

What if they had hold of your arm or hair and had a knife?

That is different. My answer was that I wouldn't willingly go with anyone who took my purse and threw it over a fence. Of course, if someone had a weapon or had physical control over me, I wouldn't have a choice - I'd have to go unwillingly with that person.

Hope that makes sense!

 

[GrainneDhu]

I think many suspect that someone very close to the family may be involved, and I believe LE thinks or thought that as well. But here we are, over 2 weeks in, and no new info, no advances. Maybe we are tunneling in the wrong direction? I want the girls found, but we can't discount the fact the likelihood that a perp simply knew of the girls, and is only barely connected to the family.

IMO, the current "theory" (and lol@ "not an accusation") has us trying to make the facts fit into it, rather than the other way around. LE was on the DM and MCM criminal history early and often, to be sure, yet has released nothing. MSM, at least in this area, is well-connected to many of these players as well (they knew many PC talking points before the PC's, tbh). The family is under a microscope, their recent and distant past is under a microscope, they're bearing a heavy burden and some are not strong enough to maintain. If LE knows the girls are alive AND knows the family is in on it, they wouldn't still be holding out, IMO. And, unlike early in the investigation, I'm confident LE is wa-a-a-a-ay ahead of us at the moment.

Just my opinion.

SBM

The chance that the perp is someone who was distantly or casually connected to the family in some way was why I asked if the Collins children ever went along with their dad on his job.

Several posters provided info that said yes, the Collins children did sometimes accompany their father or met up with him for lunch.

That makes me wonder if maybe someone was jealous. Someone who saw a 3 minute interaction of the family and didn't know any more would see a couple who are obviously in love and who dearly love their children. Who care enough that they bring the kids to see Dad on the job. Those visits may well have included Lyric on occasion.

To someone sufficiently twisted, that's a motive.

I think that the family's collective legal history is probably more a red herring than anything else.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I knew it was raining that day! look at the puddles in the video of the girls riding past the camera. I say this because why would the witness be out watering his yard in the rain?? I always wondered that.?

It wasn't raining during the time the girls were out riding, it had rained in the early morning. Overall, Iowa is having a drought and that includes the Cedar Valley. The videos that showed volunteers searching crop fields showed crops in pathetic condition.

If the witness is a bit obsessive about his lawn (which is not unusual), he will have bought or devised a rain gauge (can be free from found parts or up to $10). He would adjust his watering times to take into account the amount of rain that fell on his particular lawn (not just in the area).

Why yes, I have a brother-in-law who is obsessed with his lawn and garden, how could you tell?

As for crops--seems like the Cedar Valley has gotten more rain than we along I-80 have gotten. Our crops are in even worse condition.

Iowa is going to hurt for the next year.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Chelsea Beahr goes to court Tuesday on drug charges.

She was arrested at the same time as Dan Morrissey and Jason Stolfus.

Stolfus goes on trial next month.

Last week, he didn't show up for a court appearance in a child support case.

It's not clear how the three may or may not have known each other.

ALSO:

Misty Morrissey said, "I told god...You know what Lord? The whole state is looking at you..."

Meantime, Lyric's mother, Misty Morriseey, told people at a concert in Waterloo Saturday evening, the girls fate is in God's hands.

"There's nobody but Jesus we're asking to help us to bring these girls home. Whether you bring them home alive or dead, it's your decision. There's no one we're looking to for glory except for the glory of Jesus Christ. 'Amen'.

I am a fairly spiritual and religious person, but this does seem a bit odd.

I've been saying that here since the first couple of pressers. One of the first things misty said was that these were good, spiritual girls or something to that affect. IMO its insincere and used as hype. :moo:

 

[butterfly1978]

Is LE not holding anymore press confrences at all, not even weekly?

 

[GrainneDhu]

That coming out after so many days into the investigation made my eyes pop. All along the other family members had been saying the girls did not go any farther than a few blocks, didn't even know the way to the lake and then TB springs the knowledge of otherwise on JP's. Don't quite know what to think of that. Head whirling.

Of anyone involved in the case, I would guess TB as the one most likely to be following coverage of the case closely.

So her remarks could be coloured by what has already been in the media (the lawn watering man, etc).

I don't think Aunt TB is consciously a liar but I do think she tells a good story, has a vague grip on details and her memory may well be tainted by what others say.

And really, don't most families have an Aunt TB as a relative or close friend? I know I do.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Even from the early days of mobile phones LE(probably more DEA type in the early days) were able to track mobiles even when the it was switched OFF,the only way for that not to happen was to take the battery out.(it was used in the hunt for Pablo Escobar).

And nowadays i know they can go as far as to switch youre phone on(house or mobile) and use it as a speaker to listen to conversations,they can also turn the camera on on youre mobile and watch the pictures...

BBM

This is good info.

But I can't help it, when I envision LE turning on someone's cell phone, I immediately think "don't they get tired of watching the insides of pockets?"

Maybe because my husband found over 250 pocket photos on my cell phone a couple weeks ago...

 

[GrainneDhu]

Misty said she and the girls have been doing a lot of swimming at lakes. I'm wondering if the girls met some perp at one of these events at a lake elsewhere or campground and was friendly with them giving the perp too much info on where they live, etc.

That gave me a horrid idea.

What if the perp has a child or is trusted with a child between, say 7 and 11 years old? What better way to scope out potential victims than to take a child of roughly the desired age to places where other children that age congregate?

While a child might feel wary of revealing personal info to an adult, I doubt many kids would be suspicious of a child their own age.

And what would be more natural to a child than to try to figure out if their new pool or lake friend lives close enough for play dates and things like that?

I need the mental floss.

I hope LE is way ahead of me and has asked if there was anyone of any age who seemed to want to find out where Elizabeth or Lyric lived.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Just my opinion regarding the statements made by mom(and I'm always in catch up reading mode with this case so forgive/disregard if already stated)..

I'm also a born/raised Southern Baptist tho as an adult have definitely not adhered to the majority of the good ol Southern Baptist ways/rules.. But nonetheless am very familiar with this type of verbiage used.. With that said what struck me about the two statements were number one they appear IMO to be quite contradictory of one another ATLEAST in looking at the basis of each of the two statements.. And tied into that same issue is number two that IMO the first statement was very much an accusatory tone/nature that she is almost like "calling out" God/Lord in a very real way..

As in Lord, all eyes are on you to make this happen.. IMO even a hint of a threatening tone of God better follow through and do what's right in bringing the girls home and that all the pressure and eyes are upon Him(God) to make sure that happens..

Again that's jmo and I could be reading it entirely wrong but it is what my initial thoughts/feelings were upon reading the two statements re:God..

IMO the second statement as I mentioned earlier appears to be almost the direct opposite tone/nature than that of the first statement.. Whereas in the first it was almost a threatening, calling out type of over all tone.. The second statement IMO could not be more different or opposite of the first..

The second appears to be stating that she's putting all her faith in God and trusting that He will do what's best(ie. IMO of course the hope would be to have the girls brought home alive).. But regardless of that particular wording of "alive or dead".. IMO just the overall tone/nature of the second statement couldn't be more opposite or contradictory than the overall tone and verbiage used in the first statement..

Anywhoo.. Sorry to drone on just throwing in my 2cents and if already discussed please forgive/disregard..

Back to lurking and reading mode

Hummmm, all that from 2 of her comments.
Like I said IMO the religious comments
were not sincere and were for the publics sake.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Could somebody in the family or close to the family be working with the FBI or Iowa DCI to bring down all the meth dealers in the area?

Could this be a ruse to get the information from DM in a way that the other players won't be suspicious that DM is talking to the Feds/Cops whomever?

Could it be that some of the family isn't aware of the plan because they might have information or not be able to keep a secret?

ALL THE ABOVE ARE JUST RANDOM THOUGHTS FORMED ONLY BY MY HEAD.

If you are implying that LE has disappeared the girls and is holding them in hiding, I greatly doubt it.

I don't think the US government has enough money to pay a judgment to the families for the emotional pain they have gone through. A jury would probably hand down a verdict that would essentially say "unlock Fort Knox for these people."

If LE made the girls disappear, the parents would have to cooperate.

And if the parents were cooperating, why wouldn't they tell any friend who asked "oh, my daughter went to camp... she's been really interested in <blank> and this was a terrific opportunity for her to be immersed in it."

 

[Marilynilpa]

Is LE not holding anymore press confrences at all, not even weekly?

No, although I assume if anything important happens they'll hold one. JMO.

 

[CHERIE.T]

No, although I assume if anything important happens they'll hold one. JMO.

Local LE said no more pressers until there was something new to report.

 

[HeavenLeigh]

Humans with a lost child all act the same.

It is engraved into our DNA to look for that child, to call for her.

No one here has done this...in fact, they have barely mentioned the child's name (in the case of Lyric).

This is unnatural behaviour. Anyone working in missing persons will tell you half of the job is dealing with distressed relatives harping, nagging, calling, emailing, all desperate to locate their loved ones.

I've tried to copy and paste this a few times (hasn't worked) but google the Colorado Theatre survivors images. There is a picture of a mother hugging her child who survived. The look on her face says it all. It is an amazing photo...every emotion on that woman's face...shock, terror, anxiety, grief, but overall...relief. Prayers. Thank God my son is safe.

I have not seen anything even close to that look, on any of these people. Not even close.

:banghead:

I agree. While there is no rule book of how people are supposed to act when their loved one is missing so much about this case makes one question what is going on. No two people are the same & we all handle things differently.

Speaking from experience (my own 16 y/o daughter was missing for 12 HORRIFIC days & nights) in the 1990's. During those nightmarish 12 days sleeping & eating was done only to keep us alive so we could function to LOOK for our loved one! We (husband, myself & our 18 y/o son) kept in close contact w/ the LE but we (family & friends) also checked out leads/tips when people would call us instead of the tip line. That one tip might be the one that led us to our daughter! So ALL were important!

WE gathered our own search teams & drove around or walked the "city" areas asking questions of EVERYONE we saw & posting signs all over the whole area (our town & several surrounding towns in all directions). EVERYDAY!!!! ALL DAY!!!! Sometimes ALL NIGHT!

This was in the days before NG & JVM but have often discussed how grateful we would have been to had that outlet. We paid for printing posters, gas spent driving around, missed work & put our lives on hold trying to locate our child. I shutter to think of the cost for those missing longer that our daughter was. My husband & I decided from the get-go that if we lost our jobs & all our worldly possessions so be it. All we cared about was finding our baby! NOTHING else mattered but our little family unit & finding the missing piece that made us complete. Many family members felt the same & dedicated themselves completely to help us search.

Local media came out & interviewed myself, my husband & the minister from the church we attended. We pleaded w/ whoever had her to release her or if she had run away to please come home. Looking back now we looked like death warmed over. We showered but running a quick comb threw our hair was about all the extra energy we spared as the rest was needed to search for our loved one! My poor husband didn't even bother to shave so he was looking pretty raggedy for a clean-cut military man. Our little girl was ALL that mattered & getting her HOME was OUR priority!

We finally hired a bounty hunter since we felt like LE was not doing their job. LE kept telling us w/ her age most are runaways & didn't seem to put much effort into the search. Within 24 hours we had our daughter home!

SEVEN people, three of which were ADULTS (parents themselves) & 4 teenagers were involved in hiding her out in motels in another town. One of those adults drove a local school bus on a daily route as well as took sports/band members to out of town games. :what:

Our precious daughter is now married (11+ years) w/ three adorable children of her own. We are all VERY cautious & tend to be overprotective of them. She bears a scar across her throat today (15 years later) from where she tried to escape & was slashed w/ a knife (thankfully it was deadly!!!!).

Never in our wildest dreams did we think things like this would happen in our small town (less than 13K). These things are "supposed" to happen to someone else or only be in movies or crime novels. Sadly that is not what happens. "Someone" has to be that "someone else", this time "we" were that "someone else".

Sorry if this became a long drawn out story. I only bring it up as an insight from someone who had a missing child & knows the feeling of what it is to wonder if you child is cold, wet, hungry, hurt, crying for you or even dead....I would not wish the pain on anyone.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I agree. While there is no rule book of how people are supposed to act when their loved one is missing so much about this case makes one question what is going on. No two people are the same & we all handle things differently.

Speaking from experience (my own 16 y/o daughter was missing for 12 HORRIFIC days & nights) in the 1990's. During those nightmarish 12 days sleeping & eating was done only to keep us alive so we could function to LOOK for our loved one! We (husband, myself & our 18 y/o son) kept in close contact w/ the LE but we (family & friends) also checked out leads/tips when people would call us instead of the tip line. That one tip might be the one that led us to our daughter! So ALL were important!

WE gathered our own search teams & drove around or walked the "city" areas asking questions of EVERYONE we saw & posting signs all over the whole area (our town & several surrounding towns in all directions). EVERYDAY!!!! ALL DAY!!!! Sometimes ALL NIGHT!

This was in the days before NG & JVM but have often discussed how grateful we would have been to had that outlet. We paid for printing posters, gas spent driving around, missed work & put our lives on hold trying to locate our child. I shutter to think of the cost for those missing longer that our daughter was. My husband & I decided from the get-go that if we lost our jobs & all our worldly possessions so be it. All we cared about was finding our baby! NOTHING else mattered but our little family unit & finding the missing piece that made us complete. Many family members felt the same & dedicated themselves completely to help us search.

Local media came out & interviewed myself, my husband & the minister from the church we attended. We pleaded w/ whoever had her to release her or if she had run away to please come home. Looking back now we looked like death warmed over. We showered but running a quick comb threw our hair was about all the extra energy we spared as the rest was needed to search for our loved one! My poor husband didn't even bother to shave so he was looking pretty raggedy for a clean-cut military man. Our little girl was ALL that mattered & getting her HOME was OUR priority!

We finally hired a bounty hunter since we felt like LE was not doing their job. LE kept telling us w/ her age most are runaways & didn't seem to put much effort into the search. Within 24 hours we had our daughter home!

SEVEN people, three of which were ADULTS (parents themselves) & 4 teenagers were involved in hiding her out in motels in another town. One of those adults drove a local school bus on a daily route as well as took sports/band members to out of town games. :what:

Our precious daughter is now married (11+ years) w/ three adorable children of her own. We are all VERY cautious & tend to be overprotective of them. She bears a scar across her throat today (15 years later) from where she tried to escape & was slashed w/ a knife (thankfully it was deadly!!!!).

Never in our wildest dreams did we think things like this would happen in our small town (less than 13K). These things are "supposed" to happen to someone else or only be in movies or crime novels. Sadly that is not what happens. "Someone" has to be that "someone else", this time "we" were that "someone else".

Sorry if this became a long drawn out story. I only bring it up as an insight from someone who had a missing child & knows the feeling of what it is to wonder if you child is cold, wet, hungry, hurt, crying for you or even dead....I would not wish the pain on anyone.

Much admiration to you and your family.
I agree with you about the way many people act when their child goes missing.
Most can't eat, get little sleep and don't laugh profoundly during interviews.
I am sincerely happy you never stopped looking for your daughter.
I am ecstatic you found her!
Thank you for sharing your story with us.
:therethere: (hugs)

 

[GrainneDhu]

It just bothers me that it is not clearly stated where and how the bikes were found. Sure TG probably a good guy more than likely moved them out of the way, but the bikes being abandoned on the bike trail makes me think someone surprised them and took them. If the bikes were originally parked against the fence like Abben says they were found then that makes me think the girls parked them there and left with someone (or the girls never made it to the park and someone took the bikes there). I think the bike placement is important.

After thinking about those darn bikes, I think that if LE did not know who moved the bicycles, they'd be asking someone to come forward to tell them.

Since LE has not made such a request, my guess is that they already know.

Just because no witness has come forward to speak to the media does not mean such a witness does not exist.

 

[BunnyHop]

Cover story on local news station KWWL tonight
http://www.kwwl.com/story/19152101/s...irls-continues

Chelsea Beahr goes to court Tuesday on drug charges.

She was arrested at the same time as Dan Morrissey and Jason Stolfus.

Stolfus goes on trial next month.

Last week, he didn't show up for a court appearance in a child support case.

It's not clear how the three may or may not have known each other.
====================================================

I am curious about the woman who was arrested with Dan. If they had an emotional relationship, and he 'narced' her out, she would be pretty angry.

I had not considered that a female might have been the perp, but?

That link didn't work for me.
So I gather she was was the 3rd person in that case?

let's see if this works:
http://www.kwwl.com/story/19152101/search-for-missing-girls-continues

 

[BunnyHop]

So I wonder what they have been doing for the past 5 days?

They left on their bikes at 11:30 am the day they went missing. I still wonder where they went from 11:30 until 12:20, when they were caught on video.

I think they had to have been hanging out with someone somewhere. Because if they had been at the convenience store or the playground, I think we would have heard about that already.

IIRC, LE has also asked for surveillance tape from ATM (which one I do not know) and receipts from Caseys (per Ollipop). That's what we know about.
I'm sure there's much more we don't know about.

ETA: If Misty and Lyric were going to the beach every day, I wonder if they met someone there they became friendly with.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Has anyone else noticed that Dan still wears his wedding ring (it's visible in videos)? He also has his Facebook status listed as "Married" and Misty's is "Single."

I don't want to read anything into that or post my opinion, so just sayin'. IMO.

It's not too unusual in a separation for one person to want it to lead to divorce while the other person is holding onto hope that somehow there will be a reconciliation.

I've also known couples who were both convinced they wanted a divorce where one partner started dating right away on the basis of being "single except for the paperwork" and the other to refrain from dating because they felt it would be wrong until the divorce decree came through.

I say the following as a generality; if often applies but not universally. In many but not all relationships that have involved domestic abuse, the abuser wants to retain control over the victim.

I don't know either of these people personally, so I have no idea what is going on with their relationship. I'm just sharing some of the things I've seen over the years.