IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #10

[Confusion]

Ok, here's my start:

WHO

Stranger – local
Stranger – elsewhere
Friend of family
Neighbor
Co-worker of parent
accomplice of parent
friend of brother
friend of cousin
friend of girls (adult who has groomed one or both)
Familiar face, but not really known
Forbidden suspects

WHERE

Bike path
Park
Street
Near home
Friend's house

HOW

Lure
Trap
Grab on street

WHY

Revenge
Sex
Fun/excitement
Threat
Psychotic behavior
Anger
Accident

EVIDENCE/CLUES

Bikes
Video
Tire prints
Cans?
Purse
Paddle boat?

WITNESSES

Lawn waterer
Bike rider
Grandma
Man at lake?
Paddle boat rider?

What am I missing?

 

[hollyblue]

Might want to visit the scanner thread......................just sayin'

 

[Gracelin]

Rewind request in the scan room ..please no pushing.. walk in an orderly manner

 

[Shelby2]

Don't know if this was posted but this weekend Richard Petty Motorsports and #43 Michael Annett will have a pic of the girls and their names on Michael's car this weekend at the races in Indianapolis, someone from one of the FB groups contacted them and they said 'Yes' right away.

 

[SouthernMom]

This is one example. I know this is several states away, but there are creeps in every community.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17324624/police-warn-of-attempted-kidnapper

 

[nikb]

Those images are absolutely fascinating to me! Thank you for giving us a look at what drugs and alcohol do to the brain. The images of the brains of persons addicted to nicotine and large amounts of caffeine would surprise most people!

I also want to say that people who are addicted to a harmful substance don't always love the drug more than their family. I was addicted to alcohol and I HATED it! I couldn't function without it, I was a slave to the next bottle, it was awful. Still it took me three voluntary stints in rehab where I learned to give up control over my life. I had to learn to completely depend on God to take care of me, no matter how bad I felt. I still suffer from depression and anxiety but I no longer use alcohol or any other drug to numb the pain. I comply with my doctors orders for any pharmaceutical drugs I might need and I no longer feel the need to drink...even the smell of alcohol is repulsive to me! <snipped for space>

I know, it's fascinating isn't it? The caffeine one in particular freaked me out, especially in light of the recent talk here about energy drinks. I know people who are so hooked on those things, they'll go through a case of Red Bull for example in a couple of days. It's scary.

Congratulations on your recovery from alcohol! That's a big accomplishment, and I'm glad to hear you're doing so well.

 

[Ollipop]

WOW!!!

I would see that being funny IF that is what I said, but it wasn't.

My answer meant that I would not bail someone out if they got busted for it!

I apologize...I also misunderstood your meaning.

 

[SouthernMom]

It saddens me that many ppl feel this way. That the people who most need love, support, and a way to renew self-respect would get shunned by their families. Ugh. And it happens every day. Sigh.

ITA Olli, I know my own daughter kicked the meth habit and is now has a job, a home, a wonderful family, and is a good Mom. Is it easy? Not at all and it's a daily choice she says. If I shunned her, I would be one more reason for her to make the wrong choices.

 

[Foxymona]

Did either of the girls have a watch???
I've an 8 year old and he has no concept of time- I'd say 'be back in 30 minutes' and not see hide nor hair of him for ages.
I got him a watch and now he comes home 5 minutes before he's due home.
Grandmother said they knew not to be long... if either has a watch it may shed some light on whether they decided to go to the lake or not. I always thought they did as it's a strange place to dump bikes and stage a set up if they were taken somewhere else no? Not accessible easily and without risk and why not just throw the bikes in the lake and be done with it?

OT- for anyone in the UK/Ireland- sub the word 'hinky' for 'dodgy'...

 

[cluciano63]

If someone kidnapped the girls as a revenge thing, what would they do with them? It would not be easy to keep and maintain two girls all this time. I know drug people are not famous for thinking ahead, but if they were trying to send a message or whatever, I guess it has not worked, since apparently LE has not figured out where they are.

I know this has happened a few times but not often, and not with the children missing for this amount of time...if that were the case, it seems the parents would know right away who would have taken them by now. LE would have tracked them down. It is not that easy to hide out anymore (as a rule.)

I wish this was what happened, but it seems more like an intentional kidnapping by a sex predator, and probably a local one who had seen the girls before. Probably not even an RSO, rather someone no one knows is a sex predator yet.

 

[shefner]

I'm afraid that if these girls aren't home for Elizabeth's birthday, then things aren't good with the girls. I know that we are all trying to hold out some hope, but I think if it was someone holding the girls because of a drug debt or something like that, then they would most likely be home.

It could be that someone took the girls hoping to frighten the family...then the story got huge attention, bigger than they imagined. If the girls have seen the perp then there is no good way for him to let them go. I always felt like this is why the family said, "We don't care who you are." I don't think things are good.

 

[nursebeeme]

Can we add these?
4. 7/12 - Dan Morrissey attends pre-trial hearing and rejects plea deal
5. Somewhere around 7/9 - Lyric is late coming home and her parents call the police. She was with her Cousin K___.

I know not everyone agrees, but I strongly believe those are critically relevant facts.

just jumping in here.. I have not caught up with the entire thread.. sure add in the facts.. but do NOT SPECULATE about family members being involved at this time. They have not been named as suspects or persons of interest. So as for addressing what the parents are going through you can post those links to trial dates, etc and address the cases but to extrapolate beyond that is not acceptable at this time. And Yes, I am growing really weary of bumping this fact up. I realize it is hard to separate all this information but there is nothing to connect it IN THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA, at this time, to the girls going missing. The minute something changes the rules will change. The parents seem to have their own row to sow right now. Is it connected? We shall see.. but further speculation on their part of the vanishing of their children needs to cease now. This is NOT THE WAY WE ROLL HERE. Until we see otherwise the parents are victims of their children going missing.. and we need to respect that in our posts. Thanks everyone.

 

[katydid23]

]Did either of the girls have a watch???
I've an 8 year old and he has no concept of time[/B]- I'd say 'be back in 30 minutes' and not see hide nor hair of him for ages.
I got him a watch and now he comes home 5 minutes before he's due home.
Grandmother said they knew not to be long... if either has a watch it may shed some light on whether they decided to go to the lake or not. I always thought they did as it's a strange place to dump bikes and stage a set up if they were taken somewhere else no? Not accessible easily and without risk and why not just throw the bikes in the lake and be done with it?

OT- for anyone in the UK/Ireland- sub the word 'hinky' for 'dodgy'...

I think they used the cell phone, the one for playing video games, as a clock.

 

[Ollipop]

D&H Collins home and back of retail store with cctv (facing south) -

View attachment 25167

ETA: 3rd driveway from the left.

Incorrect....the Collins home is the on the corner.

 

[Ollipop]

I've been reading everything I can find on meth, because it is shocking to me how pervasive it is among so many of the players in this case. What I'm learning has horrified me. I have never been exposed to meth in my life, and I've done my share of big city partying and seen lots of Hollywood drug use. I have been wondering why I never have known ANYONE who has used meth. It was interesting to learn that I haven't come across it BECAUSE I live in a big city. Apparently, it breaks all the old drug molds -- instead of starting in port cities and moving inland -- instead it starts in the heartland, in tiny little towns where people DON'T have as easy access to heroin and crack.

I just found that interesting. I'm sure you all already knew that and I am just WAY behind. LOL! But I'm getting a better understanding for how this scourge spreads across communities and does the damage we are seeing unfold before our eyes.

Yeah...Google "faces of meth" to get a look at what it does to people. Its been saddening, maddening, and frustrating to watch it happen to people.

 

[cluciano63]

Yeah...Google "faces of meth" to get a look at what it does to people. Its been saddening, maddening, and frustrating to watch it happen to people.

I guess that first high, or first few highs, are something else, must make people feel pretty amazing, as it is impossible by now not to know what becomes of people once addicted...

 

[roseofsharon]

There appears to be many homes for sale or past sales of homes in the Brovan Blvd./Sipple Street area.

I stumbled across a picture of one of these homes and the front door was slightly open, but it looked like the home was empty.

It made me wonder if any of these empty homes get broken into and did E and L possibly see something or hear something that was not meant for them and then I wonder if LE has had real estate brokers open up these homes for searching.

Just some thoughts. IMO, the girls were lured/abducted at the Brovan/Sipple junction. I don't think the surveillance is E and L. The persons riding the bikes look too big to be the girls and I cannot see a green top, which I would think would stand out. The clothing appears to be black.

IMO

 

[Thinkzerz]

This is one example. I know this is several states away, but there are creeps in every community.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17324624/police-warn-of-attempted-kidnapper

He tries to get 2 kids at the same time. They ran. In this case 2 kids and if they ran he was able to grab them both.I believe there was 2 perps or someone the girls trusted. JMO

 

[Ollipop]

You're welcome. I saw it take someone who was infamously the Goodie-to-shoes in the family, the person who was always the most responsible, whose dream growing up was to be a full time "Mommy", and turn that person in to an unrecognizable one. My sister will be 32 in a couple of weeks, but she looks like she is in her 50s.

She has given birth to 4 beautiful children, all drug and alcohol affected, all with developmental delays and behavioral issues from it (Kids born to moms who use meth often end up with severe mental health/behavior health probs). All are being raised by family.

I watched this person who used to be overly maternal, overly protective stop caring about her kids, stop bathing them, cleaning them, feeding them until they were taken.

When I look at her I don't know this person. Five years ago when the last baby was placed in my arms by a social worker I looked at my sister and realized that it was time to grieve for the freckle faced, blue-eyed little girl that I still see in my head. That person died with the meth. I miss her but I have moved on so that I can take care of these kiddos and get through life.

Like I said, Meth is a monster

I'm sorry to hear this. I also know this story all too well. You were right when you decided to grieve for the little girl, unfortunately.

Be well, and keep those kids loved.

 

[whittymom4]

99 half-lit sleuths on the wall. :fence:

:floorlaugh:

Yeah...Google "faces of meth" to get a look at what it does to people. Its been saddening, maddening, and frustrating to watch it happen to people.

So sad, this drug is terrible. Now we have bath salts? Just horrific the impact meth has on people, in a couple of these pics the addict thinks there are bugs under their skin so they pick and tear until they destroy the skin. Look at the one girls arm, omg. Then there are some who pull out their own hair. Destroys everything...


http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...t=pictures+of+what+meth+does+to+you&FORM=IGRE