IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #11

[BunnyHop]

Sorry going off on rant here. I will back off for now. :truce:

 

[nervous_nellie]

Cindersoot, he probably has a pic of your van and has sent it in multiple times. Expect a knock on your door. hahahaha

hi all - catching up from last night so sorry if this has already been suggested...

when reading about cindersoots encounter with this big smoking man at the lake...when she said that he didnt acknowledge her i for some reason i started to wonder if he was a "plant" in the park to see who is frequenting and if they would report him to le??

were you in a light colored van? if you were, this dude coulda been "watching you watch him watching you" lol! i hope this is the case...cause if not, he may really be a creepy van man...or, someone who knows or is related to the family and was coming to check it out and see if he could find anything?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Unfortunately until our judicial system catches up with the real world and these judges start keeping the sex offenders locked up things will not change.

Even the sex offenders know they most likely will get a slap on the wrist and off they go to reoffend. They cannot be rehabilitated, lock them all up and throw away the key!

I think that a good start would be reform of existing laws, so that the people who get on the sex offender list for urination in public and other such offences are no longer there.

Weed out the RSO list so that it really means something.

Maybe we need a Registered Idiotic Conduct list instead?

 

[Morethenrubies]

Anyone remember being told about "Stanger Danger" when you were in school?
I really don't, I remember my mom and dad telling us, but it always seemed the stranger would be someone creepy or shady. Never anyone "normal".

The other day my girls and I were talking about this guy who is new in our neighborhood (they just built 15 new condo's right next door to us) and some of the others who have moved into the new units. Because we have been in this house since before they were born, they are 8 & 10, we know everyone who lives in this area. Anyway, my 8 yr. old said this guy we were talking about had given her, her sister and a few friends a pack of stickers.

I asked her why her and her friends would take something from someone they don't know? I said, what if he is a pedophile, my 8 yr. old says, "don't worry mom, he is not a pedophile, he's a dentist!
My heart just sank because we have had all these talks about stranger danger and pedophiles, missing children, etc. then it occurred to me, they are thinking just like I did when I was little, the bad man/stranger has to be scarey looking and mean, it couldn't be a nice, well dressed man handing out Hello Kitty stickers.
:banghead:

Thanks was not enough! Exactly what I was trying to say! I am so bad with written expression.

A stranger is a stranger no matter what they look like.

Also in respo se to the comment further back about kids not feeling like they could talk to a stranger for help, I have also discussed who is a good idea to talk to when help is needed. Police, Firemen, store clerks, a mom with kids etc.

 

[GrainneDhu]

i understand where all the parents here are coming from when they say they wouldn't let their kids out of their sight, but our family just spent last summer back in iowa, less than an hour from evansdale. we were hanging out at parks a lot for exercise as well as for grilling / picnics, just enjoying summer in iowa. i can tell you, there were lots and lots of children playing at the splash pads, pools and playgrounds with far more bicycles to be seen than parents. it's iowa; it's safe i don't know what's up with the weirdos in white vans that seem to be coming out of the woodwork in the last few weeks, but this is not typical for iowa. kids play outside; they ride their bikes to the park and on bike trails. you could go past any number of neighborhood parks and only see children (and their bikes!) there. if this abduction was a random incident (or even if it wasn't random), it sure seems like it has ignited a frenzy that is out of character for iowa and summer in iowa. it is so hard for me to understand how things have changed so radically in one year. just thinking.....

Nothing has really changed. It's no safer nor more dangerous to live in Iowa or to be a kid in Iowa than it was a month ago.

It's people's perception of danger that has changed.

And yet, if a child were killed due to being struck by lightning (roughly as likely as disappearing forever), there wouldn't be this level of panic over thunderstorms.

Statistically, children in Iowa are far more likely to die of drowning (half of them within 25 feet of their parent(s)) and yet there are parents who don't think swimming lessons are necessary.

Human risk assessment is a very strange thing.

 

[tlcya]

OT but only slightly. There is a thread devoted to the debate over whether the danger is greater to our children now or is it the same as in the past but we are simply much more aware of incidents of harm to children now that we are all plugged into the web.

I tend to feel like no one place is safe and never has been. There are areas where crime is more prevalent and others where it is more sparce, but nowhere is truly safe and we are fools if we think otherwise.

 

[tlcya]

The post got deleted.....I think it was BS anyway.

I saw that and deleted mine as well. if you will be kind enough to delete yours we will be all scrubbed fresh and clean.

 

[TGIRecovered]

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Check it out, tlcox. It is no longer an issue, if you get my drift. :what:

TOS prevents me from saying it out loud, but take a look above, no worries!
:moo:

 

[tlcya]

ackkkkk, please guys, stop quoting me, I am trying to clean up this mess, lol

 

[mck16]

I couldn't agree more.

While it is a possibility that a given perp might be reading WS, it is known that WSers have helped solve a few cases, ID a few unidentified, etc.

A nebulous possibility vs a known reality?

I'll take the known reality.

I agree with you and I would like to know what cases WSers have helped to solve or ID'd. I have wondered this in the past. tia

 

[palaminodee]

I just find it strange ... white van parked at lake entrance.... man maybe 30, 5'8 ? over 200 lbs smoking a cig, walks past me while Im riding my bike, I smile he ignores me. As soon as I come back to the front ( parking area) where he is parked, he comes back. Sits in his white van, smoking and looking over the lake. I have a pic ( dont know how to put it on here) help? It's not great but all I could get without looking suspicious.

when we lived in W ky on the river there are numerous parks due to the nice view. We took our dogs to the park several times a week in good weather and I noted the same creepy individuals parked at these parks watching people.
It totally creeped me out and I never would go there without my husband and the dogs.
The problem is the park is a public place and unless they commit a crime they can hang out there...
it's sad because this had nice trails too, but I would NEVER go there alone or let my kids go there.
sad, but true...not sure what to do about it?

 

[TGIRecovered]

:sweep::shush:

There! All cleaned up, nice and tidy!

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[nursebeeme]

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[southern_comfort]

Anyone remember being told about "Stanger Danger" when you were in school?
I really don't, I remember my mom and dad telling us, but it always seemed the stranger would be someone creepy or shady. Never anyone "normal".

The other day my girls and I were talking about this guy who is new in our neighborhood (they just built 15 new condo's right next door to us) and some of the others who have moved into the new units. Because we have been in this house since before they were born, they are 8 & 10, we know everyone who lives in this area. Anyway, my 8 yr. old said this guy we were talking about had given her, her sister and a few friends a pack of stickers.

I asked her why her and her friends would take something from someone they don't know? I said, what if he is a pedophile, my 8 yr. old says, "don't worry mom, he is not a pedophile, he's a dentist!

My heart just sank because we have had all these talks about stranger danger and pedophiles, missing children, etc. then it occurred to me, they are thinking just like I did when I was little, the bad man/stranger has to be scarey looking and mean, it couldn't be a nice, well dressed man handing out Hello Kitty stickers.
:banghead:

Oh gosh, I do! I remember this little booklet with drawings, entitled "Don't Go with Strangers", or something like that. I can't remember the story exactly, but it told about a couple of kids who were approached by a stranger. One child went with the stranger while the other refused. I don't recall all of the events, but it ended with the abducted child returning eventually with his nose bleeding. That scared the heck out of me!!!

35 or 40 years later, I can still see that drawing of the little kid with the bloody nose in my mind and it still gives me the same sick feeling it gave me when I was little.

 

[whittymom4]

I couldn't agree more.

While it is a possibility that a given perp might be reading WS, it is known that WSers have helped solve

While it is a possibility that a given perp might be reading WS, it is known that WSers have helped solve a few cases, ID a few unidentified, etc.

A nebulous possibility vs a known reality?

I'll take the known reality.

Thank you, I was wondering if we were supposed to halt all discussion about the girls. That post was odd, almost like he or she was suggesting the abductor was or is the creepy camper (the one with the strange Craigslist ads for sex). Or that the abductor was Cindersoot's white van man and RSO KC.

I have said this before on here, my uncle is FBI Milwaukee and during the Caylee Anthony case we were discussing Websleuths and the discussion, research, finding, etc. that we do on Websleuths, he told me that many LE officers, FBI, DCI, sheriffs offices, etc... do read what we find!

He was lead investigator on the Jeffrey Dahmer case. Of course he NEVER shares any info with me but it is pretty cool that all of our work and time spent here is being recognized! :rocker:

 

[nursebeeme]

:werk:

peeps.. let's get back on topic..

Thanks guys!

 

[tlcya]

any new news this morning?

 

[Jax49]

any new news this morning?

Not a peep.

 

[Thinkzerz]

I use to think my kids were better off riding their bikes then walking. But i see now this is not true. Any new info on the girls? Alot has changed around my house since i have been reading these cases. No toys allowed out front. Kids can't ride their bikes up and down our street , even in my eyes view and every bedroom has been painted white. No colours to indicate a girl or boys room. No colour curtains anymore. Sad but it has to be this way in this day and age.

 

[tlcya]

just bringing forward the stories I missed after I left last night in effort to get up to speed.

http://www.indystar.com/article/D2/...-girls-checked-out-dismissed?odyssey=nav|head

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/With...-Parents-Amid-Recent-Incidents-164834036.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...fcA4tg?docId=db13efb4d4e545c4a7a374a092eccc0f