IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #12

[123ABC]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1218-S-Evans-Rd-Evansdale-IA-50707/76636880_zpid

Is JW related to one of the (city counsel member )CW who owns this. IT seems JW is on all mm and dm and even lyric facebook (which was recently added to hers) and her facebook cindersoot said is delted now. I was trying to see his photo appears to match up well i could be totally off there because it is sooo blurry but one of the back photos could that be a basektball hoop back of garage and foilage if so IF this pic matches that is interesting. I see no connection at the moment of CW and JW besides the last name at moment....

 

[SapphireSteel]

The bikes were at the gate not more than a couple of feet from the lake.

"Abben confirms bloodhounds brought in by the FBI picked up the girls' scent near the trail where their bicycles were found, but he would not elaborate. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-iowa-girls-fbi-dogs-detect-cousins-scents/story?id=16798151

"FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said the reaction from the dogs Monday night indicated a "strong possibility" the girls had been at the lake, less than a mile from their grandmother's house where they were last reported seen Friday. However, Breault said because there were no reported sightings, authorities couldn't be certain."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-17/iowa-missing-girls/56267776/1

I wouldn't rely too heavily on what the Nancy Grace show has to say about these missing children ... she and her guest's opinions are often more about ratings than facts ... in my humble opinion.

Well, it is msm and the repeated the statement several times...I have no reason to suspect they would "make it up".

Do you have a link saying they led TO the lake, as you claim?

Tia.

 

[Wishbone]

Thanks...that's what I thought. Unless someone can provided an FBI or LE quote indicating otherwise, I'll note this as "family interpretation"...just like the Lie Detector testing and "results".

Good luck finding anything to quote from LE or FBI because they just aren't saying much.

 

[123ABC]

so photo number 9 of house im looking at & JW off MM friends list that is ...

 

[SapphireSteel]

The only person who appears to think the bikes were staged is Sherrif Abben.

He also states (allegedly, on this forum) that the bikes were in a different position when he got there.

TG swerved around the bikes at 12.20, implying they were laying across part of the path. Posters on here have stated Abben said in a presser they were up against the fence when he got there...but no link has been provided.

This needs to be explained for us to make an educated guess.

:moo:

 

[MNDad]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1218-S-Evans-Rd-Evansdale-IA-50707/76636880_zpid

Is JW related to one of the (city counsel member )CW who owns this. IT seems JW is on all mm and dm and even lyric facebook (which was recently added to hers) and her facebook cindersoot said is delted now. I was trying to see his photo appears to match up well i could be totally off there because it is sooo blurry but one of the back photos could that be a basektball hoop back of garage and foilage if so IF this pic matches that is interesting. I see no connection at the moment of CW and JW besides the last name at moment....

I've been trying to figure that our for a couple weeks now too. Could be a popular name in the area or could be a close relationship. I haven't figured it out.

 

[callyn]

I posted a link :dunno:

I have tried to read through both of those links for a direct quote of MCM saying they went 'around' the lake. I can't find it. My eyes are not good right now and so maybe I'm just missing it. It's not really that important. I just remember her stating it differently in a video.:truce:

 

[otto]

Okay, I'm lost. Was it MCM or TB who talked about what she observed the dogs doing that day? We have statements from different WSers stating it was TB and others saying it was MCM.
I's like to see the video of that interview but don't know how to find it.

I don't watch Nancy Grace, but someone posted transcripts yesterday quoting Brouseau. I think this is it:

"BROUSSEAU: I just wanted to say one more thing, you know, about those bloodhounds that were brought in by the FBI. They did one at a time. One for Elizabeth and one for Lyric. And I was explain to you, so the bikes were found right where those -- the rocky area is, where they`re guessing the girls may have entered the lake at.

But I was there, I watched the bloodhounds continue on into this dense forest area, which is about 400 yards. I watched them go into that area and they positively identified both girls were at that location.

GRACE: Right, at the edge of the water.

BROUSSEAU: And --

GRACE: Go ahead.

BROUSSEAU: Yes, not, you know, not at the -- just at the edge of the water. If you continue on down the bike trail east, there is about approximately 400 acres of forest, dense forest to the left side, and that is where the dogs continued on to and picked up the girls` scent. And that`s when they stopped and brought the dog back and they did the next dog.

The next dog positively identified the next girl`s person to be in that forest. And that`s kind of where I believe it went cold for them. The dogs couldn`t pick up anymore scent. I`m not saying for sure that they couldn`t pick up more scent and go on further, but that is where the investigators stopped, brought the dogs back, told us that, yes, the dogs positively identified the girls to go past the site where the bikes were dropped and farther on into the forest. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html

Take it for what it's worth ... statements from police and FBI seem more reliable.

 

[katydid23]

The problem with the staging theory is the dogs picked up the girls scent.

But even LE stated that the dogs did not prove the GIRLS were ever there. The dogs may have been hitting on the girls scent because their bikes were there. The bikes probably had a lot of the girls scent left behind on them.

 

[callyn]

Here's another source for Misty saying that........

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-20/...cousins_1_lake-search-lyric-cook-25-acre-lake


Scent dogs following the girls' trail led searchers around the lake and stopped at the water's edge, according to Lyric's mother, Misty Cook-Morrissey.

BBM
Again, this is just someone stating what THEY think MCM said. It is not a direct quote of MCM. I think we need to be careful about taking these statements as truth. JMO MOO

 

[otto]

The only person who appears to think the bikes were staged is Sherrif Abben.

He also states (allegedly, on this forum) that the bikes were in a different position when he got there.

TG swerved around the bikes at 12.20, implying they were laying across part of the path. Posters on here have stated Abben said in a presser they were up against the fence when he got there...but no link has been provided.

This needs to be explained for us to make an educated guess.

:moo:

The grandmother believes that the girls were abducted at an intersection and then the girls and bikes were taken to Maiden Lane, where the bikes were ditched. We don't know how many investigators suspect that the bikes were staged, but we have read that investigators are exploring the possibility that the bikes, and not the girls, were at the lake.

There were links ... way back ... quoting Abben as saying in a press release that when he saw the bikes, they were leaning against the fence.

 

[Wishbone]

BBM
Again, this is just someone stating what THEY think MCM said. It is not a direct quote of MCM. I think we need to be careful about taking these statements as truth. JMO MOO

MSM news sources are pretty much all we have to rely on and they can and do vary greatly at times. When and if Sunshine Law kicks in we will have official documents to compare, but until then this is it.

 

[otto]

BBM
Again, this is just someone stating what THEY think MCM said. It is not a direct quote of MCM. I think we need to be careful about taking these statements as truth. JMO MOO

The transcripts from Nancy Grace interviewing Brouseau should clear up who in the family commented about the tracking dogs.

 

[RNER]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1218-S-Evans-Rd-Evansdale-IA-50707/76636880_zpid

Is JW related to one of the (city counsel member )CW who owns this. IT seems JW is on all mm and dm and even lyric facebook (which was recently added to hers) and her facebook cindersoot said is delted now. I was trying to see his photo appears to match up well i could be totally off there because it is sooo blurry but one of the back photos could that be a basektball hoop back of garage and foilage if so IF this pic matches that is interesting. I see no connection at the moment of CW and JW besides the last name at moment....

This has been discussed at length in much earlier posts...as well as the CW house being for sale and vacant, close to the woods, on the lake, possibly with a paddle boat in the backyard, possibly occupied by JW, JW being in jail, MCM and JW being bf/gf, etc.....some of the info is accurate and verified, but a lot is facebook "gossip". I don't know if the relationships btw JW, CW, MCM has been confirmed, other than "gossip", so please read previous posts-be careful what you post!

 

[azuredewdrop]

O/T but this is 2.5 hours from evansdale
http://www.kwqc.com/story/19206443/missing-2-year-old-in-reynolds

 

[otto]

MSM news sources are pretty much all we have to rely on and they can and do vary greatly at times. When and if Sunshine Law kicks in we will have official documents to compare, but until then this is it.

If we're going to dismiss the news articles quoting police and FBI as being unreliable, then we really have nothing to discuss except whatever we can imagine ... and that doesn't seem very productive.

 

[Wishbone]

If we're going to dismiss the news articles quoting police and FBI as being unreliable, then we really have nothing to discuss except whatever we can imagine ... and that doesn't seem very productive.

I'm more apt to believe something if it is reported the same from a few different sources. I don't take what I read in the MSM as law unless it is proven to me. But, for the subject we were discussing I tend to believe that Misty did say what was reported. That may or not be factual but its the best I have right now.........

 

[lishac23]

Shifting focus a little bit....although we can't confirm that the girls voluntarily went to the lake...we know for a fact that the perp was there. He/she/they... either took the girls from there or went there to dispose of the bikes and purse. So looking at this from the perps perspective...from the spot where the bikes/purse were...what is the easiest route in and out to go undetected? Maiden Lane?

 

[callyn]

If we're going to dismiss the news articles quoting police and FBI as being unreliable, then we really have nothing to discuss except whatever we can imagine ... and that doesn't seem very productive.

I never said dismiss them, I said be careful about accepting them as truth. Big difference.

 

[Bootsctr]

Hi everybody! Another thing that makes me the girls were at the lake is Lyric's disappearance 4 days earlier. It was in the JVM interview with MCM and DC. DC started talking about this had just happened about 4 days earlier and MCM butted in when he started talking about calling LE and explained Lyric was not that far away to begin with. She was supposed to have been at the park, but they could not find her at the park. I believe it is possible Lyric could have gone to the lake that day. MCM stated Lyric walked up right as she was calling LE, so if we are to believe that, maybe Lyric had borrowed someone else's bike and she and a friend had gone to the lake the first time she went missing. IMO, MCM and DC came down hard on her and she copped to have been at the lake, or someone told MCM that they had seen Lyric at the lake. I believe that is why TB said go to the lake. It was fresh in her mind that Lyric had just done that and Elizabeth was known to have gone to the lake unbeknowst to WC.

Just my opinion, MCM shared with TB that Lyric had been caught going to the lake and first thought when girls turned up missing was that they were more than likely at the lake. MCM or WC (no I don't believe she knew the girls had been to the lake before)didn't want to risk losing their daughter/granddaughter if CPS found out Lyric had been missing so she didn't come forth with that information and definitely did not want to say it on national TV. TB came forth with information that Elizabeth had gone to the lake with friends, just thinking Lyric likely could have too.

I also think 1 perp could have taken both girls....if it was even someone the girls vaguely knew and someone they knew as authoratative (someone who caught the girls doing something they knew they would get in trouble for), or even someone they knew through their parents the girls might have been so surprised by this person. They did not immediately think stranger danger because it was someone with whom they were vaguely famliar. This person shocks them by catching off-guard doing whatever... and tells them that they need to come with them right now. Both girls do what they are told because they think this person is going to take them to grandma and tell her they were at the lake doing whatever.

Also, I believe these girls were very bright. If there was a tazor involved, and if they were trapped so to speak, then tazing one and the other not having the opportunity to escape, this person said, "I'll taze you too if you don't do what I tell you." It might be kind of shocking to a child to see someone tazed in real life. Plus, given Lyric's background, if she saw a gun or a knife and a knife was held to the others throat or a gun held to the other, I'm thinking being caught offguard they would be completely stunned and not sure what do it.... especially if this was not a complete stranger to them. Just guessing.....