IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #13

[otto]

How do you explain their changing stories? Timelines, where the girls would/wouldn't go etc.

Their changing stories include screwing up yards and feet, no different than Spellman doing the same thing on the Nancy Grace show. I understand that the grandmother believed that the girls cycled in circles on the street. It seems that one of the aunts intuitively knew to look at Meyers Lake, where the bikes were found. It also seems that Elizabeth had cycled to the lake previously with the neighbor children. The conflicting statements could be nothing more than different family members knowing different things about the girls ... because they have different relationships with them. I have not heard about any deliberate deception, such as a parent claiming to be napping at his mother's house when it wasn't true.

Until there is a contradiction in statements that cannot be explained by stress, confusion, fear, drugs and different relationships with the children, I see no reason to be hard on the family.

 

[GGE]

<SBM>

I could see flashlights ahead of me, behind me, right on the shore, over on the island, up in the lawn, all around the trail, in the corn fields west of the trail, etc. Despite feeling useless, and recognizing that the odds of me finding something in the dark that had not been spotted when it was light out were slim, I still worked my way around the trail to almost where the bikes were found.

<SBM>

One guy popped out on the trail right there by the mowed path on the west side of the lake, obviously from a home on River Forest.

SBM, BBM, I feel some kind of unease about this area, really. Wish there was something I could do to explore that feeling, but I'm just way too many hundred miles away.

 

[otto]

SBM, BBM, I feel some kind of unease about this area, really. Wish there was something I could do to explore that feeling, but I'm just way too many hundred miles away.

If the girls were that close to home, wouldn't they have been found during the 12 square mile search?

 

[GGE]

Skipping ahead to request a rewind downstairs, if possible. No urgency at all, details downstairs. Thanks!

 

[GGE]

1) maybe they didn't go down to the lake and kept to their routine.
2) what constitutes the end of the street for turning around? Mr C lives on the corner of lake and Gilbert but his drive faces Gilbert. Did they always turn around on Gilbert or Lake?
3) there is a skatepark a block and a half past Mr C. Is this where they turn around? Is there someone they hoped would be there when they did drive-bys?

I'm not crazy, though this may sound insane. I"ve mentioned this before here on WS - most people have a "me" in their family tree. The crazy old aunt who says stuff that you think is insane, then it ends up happening, and after awhile you stop doubting her because somehow she just KNOWS stuff.

Anyway, when I read your post and saw the bolded part above, my whole body lit up with a "DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS" kind of reaction. Interesting to note, anyway.

I used to be a 10-11-12- year old girl. That's the age when boys are a big deal, and so is being shy and sneaky.. at least it was to me. I can absolutely remember riding bikes to where the cute boys were hanging out, then turning around and going back the other way. Repeatedly.

The skate park seems like a very good place for somewhat sketchy teens to hang out, based on my own teenage sons' old love of skateboarding... I never wanted him at our skate park. Lots of drugs, but thats here. Not in a wholesome city like Evansdale... (ok I don't even know anymore if that's sarcasm or not, this whole thing makes me so sad).

 

[azuredewdrop]

If the girls were that close to home, wouldn't they have been found during the 12 square mile search?

not if they were being held somewhere, still alive. That search only lasted a couple days.

I might be flamed for saying this but I think after a month a second search should be done

 

[GGE]

Isn't Occams razor about carefully excluding all the uncertainties until whatever is left is what really happened?

Occam's Razor: It is a principle urging one to select from among competing hypotheses that which makes the fewest assumptions.

(from wikipedia)

paraphrased: all things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

 

[GGE]

If the girls were that close to home, wouldn't they have been found during the 12 square mile search?

I'm not sure if my unease is related to something happening there, or someone being there now, so I don't know.

Gut instinct doesn't always pan out, but I'll bet a cornfield comes into play based on my own gut. IMHO

 

[GGE]

How do you explain their changing stories? Timelines, where the girls would/wouldn't go etc.

Just mistaken?

someone has mentioned this before, and I'm sorry I do'nt recall who - and am not sure exactly how to say it.

People who get in trouble with LE tend to not trust them, and tend to treat every discussion with LE as one where they themselves might end up getting into trouble if they don't watch what they say (even in a situation where they have to ask LE for help, which may well rub them the wrong way as it is).

It seems possible that, even though it was not the smart thing to do, someone or someoneS may have witheld information at first or something, thinking that saying as little as possible would be the best bet, and/or thinking that whatever information they might've had would be inconsequential anyhow in the long run but could open a legal can of worms for them if mentioned.

I would further suppose that upon it becoming clear that the girls weren't going to be found any time soon, these people might've had to reach inside themselves and set aside their own fear of getting in trouble and just tell more of the truth and details.

dunno if this all makes sense.

Like, for example, If I was breaking the law stealing something from a property and cops questioned me somewhat vaguely about something that seemed like no big deal at the same place I was stealing from, I'd probably lie about everything so as to keep myself out of trouble. Upon it becoming clear that something BIG went down, I wasn't the focus, and I could be of help and was promised not to get in trouble, I might be more willing to suddenly "remember" more stuff that I wouldn't think matters, but that LE might actually be able to find out DOES matter...

I don't know, just saying. Maybe stories weren't changed so much as information was just strategically revealed in a self serving way that didn't actually have anything to do with the girls going missing but still managed to screw up their speedy recovery. (BBM because that was a long post and some may want to skip to the point, LOL)

 

[FrayedKnot]

What does that have to do with the missing girls?
Tiaa

I was replying to another poster. .

<self snipped>

 

[Beyond Belief]

I keep wondering if we are really getting anywhere here. The stories of personal experiences with attempted abduction attempts is wonderful information. Perhaps a thread on just that subject would help us understand how these perps work. I think it would give everyone insight and help us understand how these sick *** operate.

 

[GGE]

I keep wondering if we are really getting anywhere here. The stories of personal experiences with attempted abduction attempts is wonderful information. Perhaps a thread on just that subject would help us understand how these perps work. I think it would give everyone insight and help us understand how these sick *** operate.

Good idea, but I am paranoid - I fear it would be too much of a "one stop idea shop" for said sick ***s.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Your probably right GG, but we have seen so many here, sometimes I feel like a walking book on "how to" on this subject.

 

[Beyond Belief]

That walk from the bikes to the woods makes me wonder if one of them just had to go to the bathroom and used the woods.
Have we decided if they had been abducted before or after the bike rider saw the bikes?

 

[sreshowtime]

The skate park was mentioned here way back in the beginning. I did find older articles (2010) where it has periodically been shut down for vandalism/graffiti , and one article mentioned not allowing bicycles any more ( I assume being used on the actual ramps?, etc)
Perhaps Ollipop or one of the other locals can confirm whether or not this skate park is actually open and being used??

 

[Simp]

I need to vent. Today I feel very gloomy and depressed. Like many others here, I have become consumed with these girls. I am exhausted and live 1,000 miles away. Today I just feel like walking away from all of this and moving on with my simple lifeline rural Alabama. I realize that sounds like I am self absorbed. Guess in a way we all are. It is just so frustrating. WHERE THE HELL ARE THESE GIRLS????? I can not imagine the unbearable pain these families are suffering. It makes me feel sick, just sick. What if they are never found??? How do you go on? I pray peace for them.

 

[sreshowtime]

simp, I feel ya- personally I have been consumed (okay , obsessed) with Hailey Dunn, missing 12/2010-
you just have to learn to step away to real life , and stop and regroup emotionally and physically, often...and just know in your heart that your caring is important in ways you may never really know or understand. Peace to you.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Honestly its just too bad that more homeowners aren't using video surveilance systems that capture the street. In a case like this the possibility of seeing the automobile used would be very high.

 

[Sailorsgirl]

I need to vent. Today I feel very gloomy and depressed. Like many others here, I have become consumed with these girls. I am exhausted and live 1,000 miles away. Today I just feel like walking away from all of this and moving on with my simple lifeline rural Alabama. I realize that sounds like I am self absorbed. Guess in a way we all are. It is just so frustrating. WHERE THE HELL ARE THESE GIRLS????? I can not imagine the unbearable pain these families are suffering. It makes me feel sick, just sick. What if they are never found??? How do you go on? I pray peace for them.

I don't think you're being self-absorbed. All this time, all this speculation, it takes a toll on everyone. We all just want these poor little girls to be found and it's a terrible blow to the spirits when each day passes and nothing new happens. I had to take a few days off to spend with my family. I was having trouble sleeping at night, thinking about the girls and the safety of my own child.

 

[MotherOcean]

Katy,

I wondered about the girls maybe talking with someone on the net. Maybe someone who lured the girls to sneak off and meet them.

Did the scent dogs pick up a scent near the gate? I know the fence was mentioned but the gate? Not sure.

Wouldn't LE know by now if someone had made contact with them over the internet? Aunt T. downplayed Lyric's use of computers during one interview but obviously she did use the computer because she had a FB page.