IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #16

[Fukiyama]

Even tho his physical home is south/se of E'dale, his zip code puts him in Waterloo. Go figure.....I can't explain it, but someone stated to vision E'dale as a fist and then covering that fist with your other hand...and it would Waterloo. Maybe a local can add their knowledge and perspective on it.

Thanks for remembering my analogy. There is definitely a bit of Waterloo that lies directly south of Evansdale. Not much, but you can go straight north from Waterloo to Evansdale, probably on River Forest Road I'm guessing.

My dad was at the state fair today working his booth at the Hall of Law. He saw Heather there selling t-shirts.

 

[Considering]

Not that I know the guy or anything, but I think it's true. It's in numerous MSM reports and if you look for him on FB it comes up as Waterloo as well (if the profiles I found are the same TG). It sounds like he's close to the E'dale side of Waterloo.

Just an FYI for anyone interested in addresses. When a town/city address is assigned, it doesn't necessarily mean that the home (for example) is within the town limits or even what would be considered the outskirts of that particular town. I believe it was MNDad who posted this link for property in Black Hawk County. If you play around with it, you will see that Waterloo addresses stretch way beyond Evansdale. It's the same where I live. My home is just outside of town. A friend's who lives 9 miles beyond me has the same town listed as I do for her address, although she actually lives closer to a different town. What I'm trying to say is because an address is listed as "Waterloo" or anywhere for that matter does not necessarily mean that a person's home is closest to that town.

http://www2.co.black-hawk.ia.us/website/bhmap/viewer.htm

 

[SapphireSteel]

My husband has two brothers, one four years younger than him, the other eight years younger.

The youngest brother has a very clear memory of his great-grandmother sitting in her rocker in the kitchen, peeling apples to make pie, giving the peel to the great-grandbabies, chopping the apples and then putting them in the crust, etc. Just an ordinary sort of memory, nothing weird about it.

Except that great-grandma died about six months before he was born.

It's pretty clear how it happened. Great-grandma loved to bake and she was well known for the excellence of her apple pies. My husband also has memories of playing in the kitchen and Great-grandma giving him apple peel as a treat. The family often spoke of Great-grandma with great love and affection.

And voila, a confabulated memory was born.

I am certain my brother-in-law isn't lying. He really does have such a memory but it's a confabulated memory rather than a real one. Intellectually he knows that his great-grandmother did not live to meet him but the confabulated memory is impossible for him to discern from real memories.

Elizabeth Loftus has done research coming up with similar conclusions.

Neither Mr C, Mr P, nor Mr G had a grandma, to use your analogy.

There is no connection, relationship, or other shared memories (verbal or otherwise) between the three.

There would be no way to lay down synchronised confabulated memory in unrelated witnesses.

:cow:

:dunno:

 

[hambirg]

I believe that Mr C's wife corrected him because they were asked by LE not to tell the 12-1 time. . .but a 12-3 window would be ok. He said 12-1. . .woops :doh:. . . and she corrected him (No, dear. The nice folks with the FBI told us to say 12-3.)

This leads me to believe that LE is working with 2 times. . .2 distinctive events. IMOO the abduction between 12-1 and something else between 1-3. The fact that they were looking at the cctv at Casey's around 2 just solidifies that for me.

MOO

 

[nikb]

She may be second-guessing herself or expressing regret at accepting them, but one good thing, it unlocks a page that would be closed until they were friended.

That's what I was thinking too. At least it gives her the ability to see more information. Depending on her settings and those of the other person it might give access to a number of other people as well.

 

[Confusion]

I believe that Mr C's wife corrected him because they were asked by LE not to tell the 12-1 time. . .but a 12-3 window would be ok. He said 12-1. . .woops :doh:. . . and she corrected him (No, dear. The nice folks with the FBI told us to say 12-3.)

This leads me to believe that LE is working with 2 times. . .2 distinctive events. IMOO the abduction between 12-1 and something else between 1-3. The fact that they were looking at the cctv at Casey's around 2 just solidifies that for me.

MOO

Maybe the subject for the day should be - what happened at the lake between 12:00 and 1:00? They still haven't acknowledged TG or his sighting, and Mr. C quickly changed his time from 1:00 to 3:00. I'm wondering if they believe the girls got there by ~12:20, but the perp/s didn't get there until after 1:00. I just don't know how they'd know that though if they have no idea who it is, and if they do know, why haven't they gone after him/them yet?

 

[TxLady2]

Two things I've been pondering. For a person to actually act on an urge to abduct two little girls, they are risking being in prison 4 ever. That is some huge risk. Either they are so driven by an urge to do something like this and risk it all..or...they think that what they are doing is not punishable to that degree, i.e., that it will be viewed as a custodial event..or just borrowing them for awhile...something crazy like that. I'm going with the first one..the urge..the pedo, but stranger things have happened.

Pedophiles don't worry about the risks. All they care about is the "rewards." Their thinking processes are so much different than an average person. If all criminals worried about the risks more than they did the outcome, then we would have far less people in jail and prisons. Also, most criminals think they're smarter than LE and can get away with it. In short, a pedophile is probably going to THINK about the risks they are taking, but not WORRY about them, to the point of changing their minds. They can only think about the gratifications. Sick.... yes. But it's how they operate.
For the life of me, I will never understand the mindset of anyone who could WANT to hurt children or kill them. But I am not supposed to understand it.

 

[nikb]

I initially posted an article link but found out it's not a very reliable source. To avoid any possible confusion I've deleted the post and link.

 

[hambirg]

Maybe the subject for the day should be - what happened at the lake between 12:00 and 1:00? They still haven't acknowledged TG or his sighting, and Mr. C quickly changed his time from 1:00 to 3:00. I'm wondering if they believe the girls got there by ~12:20, but the perp/s didn't get there until after 1:00. I just don't know how they'd know that though if they have no idea who it is, and if they do know, why haven't they gone after him/them yet?

I'm not so sure they believe the girls were ever at the lake between 12-1.

 

[MotherOcean]

Easily. Recreational or touring bicycle riding is considered low impact.

I wouldn't say easily. I have degenerative disc disease and I can't ride a bike. But, as I said earlier, I haven't had back surgery. Regardless, I see no reason whatsoever to doubt that Mr. G is a regular bike rider.

 

[Confusion]

Pedophiles don't worry about the risks. All they care about is the "rewards." Their thinking processes are so much different than an average person. If all criminals worried about the risks more than they did the outcome, then we would have far less people in jail and prisons. Also, most criminals think they're smarter than LE and can get away with it. In short, a pedophile is probably going to THINK about the risks they are taking, but not WORRY about them, to the point of changing their minds. They can only think about the gratifications. Sick.... yes. But it's how they operate.
For the life of me, I will never understand the mindset of anyone who could WANT to hurt children or kill them. But I am not supposed to understand it.

That's probably true to some extent, but if they didn't worry at all about the risks, why would they be so hard to track down? During the summer in a smaller town that is normally seen as peaceful, I would expect there to be many young kids/girls playing outside. There would most likely be at least one that would be alone and in a fairly 'safe' place for an abduction. I tend to think if it was just someone's urges getting too strong, he'd grab one of them; which makes me think he/they have some connection to one or both of the girls and it's more personal than that.

 

[TxLady2]

My friends daughter, who I have known since she was 3, was raped her best friends father at 13.

This man and his wife were prominent at the school, involved in all sorts of activities with children, they had two of their own at the school as well. He was my sons soccer coach.

I never actually liked either of them just because of their strut (holier than thou), but it was a horrible shock to find out what he'd done. It has gone to court but I'm ashamed to say I don't know the results, he was wandering around town in the years it took to get to court however...scary.

My friends daughter has been promiscuous since, but at least now has a long term steady boyfriend and is doing well at school and generally. She has a good support system and appears fine. It was a slow seduction type rape not a violent incident...but still evil and traumatic.


and o/t, apologies.

This happens more times than we would ever imagine. Just think about the molestations and rapes that the victims never talk about and never report to LE either because they're scared, or they know no one will believe them. For every pedophile that is caught and is sent through the legal system, there are probably two more that will never see the inside of a courtroom.
It's enough to give you nightmares!

 

[cluciano63]

Hmm... this is an old article but a good memory refresher. BBM - there were a couple of things that I'm sure were reported before but I didn't remember reading them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssey-Elizabeth-Collins-vanished.html?ITO=1490

Police looking for boater seen on lake when two Iowa cousins went missing...
<snipped>

This one in particular - the boater was seen? Who saw him/her?

ETA there are a number of other things I'm not so sure about, such as the article saying it was "the oldest girl's purse" found so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Daily Mail is extremely inaccurate in reporting on these cases...they made blatant errors in other cases, always a little detail that made things more interesting, but didn't happen to be true as reported by LE...

 

[nikb]

Daily Mail is extremely inaccurate in reporting on these cases...they made blatant errors in other cases, always a little detail that made things more interesting, but didn't happen to be true as reported by LE...

Ah very good to know, thank you! I think I'll skip their articles in future.

 

[hambirg]

That's probably true to some extent, but if they didn't worry at all about the risks, why would they be so hard to track down? During the summer in a smaller town that is normally seen as peaceful, I would expect there to be many young kids/girls playing outside. There would most likely be at least one that would be alone and in a fairly 'safe' place for an abduction. I tend to think if it was just someone's urges getting too strong, he'd grab one of them; which makes me think he/they have some connection to one or both of the girls and it's more personal than that.

I think in many of these cases perps have a target. . .a type they prefer. They find one and obsess over them. . .then they plan and act. Not to be crude. . .but in their sick twisted mind, not just any victim will due.

I agree with the above poster. . .they do think about the risks. . .but they think they can outsmart LE. They simply don't think they will get caught. Unfortunately, often times they are right.

 

[Confusion]

I think in many of these cases perps have a target. . .a type they prefer. They find one and obsess over them. . .then they plan and act. Not to be crude. . .but in their sick twisted mind, not just any victim will due.

I agree with the above poster. . .they do think about the risks. . .but they think they can outsmart LE. They simply don't think they will get caught. Unfortunately, often times they are right.

BBM
Even if it were only once, it would be much too often.

 

[hambirg]

This happens more times than we would ever imagine. Just think about the molestations and rapes that the victims never talk about and never report to LE either because they're scared, or they know no one will believe them. For every pedophile that is caught and is sent through the legal system, there are probably two more that will never see the inside of a courtroom.
It's enough to give you nightmares!

I wanted to add. . .it's not just fear and doubt. . .it's shame. Unfortunately, victims will usually blame themselves. It makes no rational sense, but I know it's true. It's why I am always impressed with some of these victims that come forward that don't seem to feel any shame for what happened to them. It's important to teach our children that it's not their fault. . .no matter the situation.

 

[hambirg]

BBM
Even if it were only once, it would be much too often.

ITA! Even worse, that builds confidence in the perp. . .they get bolder, wiser and more dangerous.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I believe that Mr C's wife corrected him because they were asked by LE not to tell the 12-1 time. . .but a 12-3 window would be ok. He said 12-1. . .woops :doh:. . . and she corrected him (No, dear. The nice folks with the FBI told us to say 12-3.)

This leads me to believe that LE is working with 2 times. . .2 distinctive events. IMOO the abduction between 12-1 and something else between 1-3. The fact that they were looking at the cctv at Casey's around 2 just solidifies that for me.

MOO

I'm not sure.

I seem to recall that the first media reports mentioning Mr C's report said 12-3 pm.

On the video where Mrs C corrects him, Mr C shows no expression when she corrects him. No flash of "whoops," no flash of "she's wrong" just accepting her correction.

I think it's equally possible that as she corrected him, he was aware that he'd meant 3 pm but misspoke. Like saying "turn left" when you really meant to say "turn right."

 

[GrainneDhu]

I wouldn't say easily. I have degenerative disc disease and I can't ride a bike. But, as I said earlier, I haven't had back surgery. Regardless, I see no reason whatsoever to doubt that Mr. G is a regular bike rider.

The reason to have back surgery is to eliminate or reduce such restrictions.

I remember my mom joking about being part of the back and knee crowd after she had her knees replaced. One of the very first things PT had her doing was riding a stationary bicycle. There were a whole row of stationary bicycles at the PT facility and the most common users were people recovering from knee or back surgery.

Since TG apparently had the back surgery a few years ago, I would expect he would find it easily within his capacities to bicycle.