IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #16

[Dr. Know?]

But someone knew to park their car on the grassy area to have access to where the bikes were found.

jmo

 

[Sunlight]

If it weren't for that pesky cctv camera and the 8 minute lag time...MOO

IMHO...that makes it go from witness to circumstantial MOO

 

[TeenyTaurus]

As to the validity of eye witnesses, pft! Notorious for being inaccurate. I'm not saying anyone lied at all, but they could have easily been mistaken. RC, for example, pressed by a police officer, then alarmed, jumps to help, bless him. But perhaps the days got mixed? Wrong kid(s)?
Then there's TG. He claimed he came around a bend and had to swerve around a couple of bikes. He didn't stop, didn't see anyone to maybe yell at <lol> He simply went around some bikes, while zipping along on his. He may have hesitated as he did, uncertain to step forward at first, because maybe he was unsure what DAY that was? He rides that trail 'regularly.' At the time, he thought little of it until much later, when he saw the news. He tried calling tip lines. His final attempt was a bit casual, and could have been out of slight uncertainty. Once in the thick of the mess at the lake, however, he grows more and more certain... yep, it WAS Friday. Pretty sure they WERE those bikes.
Such is pretty typical, and rarely reliable, even tho intentions are honorable.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I would also hope that someone this intelligent would also realize that if some of us here think something is hinky than LE most likely is putting this puzzle together to see what pieces fit and which puzzle pieces appear like they came from a different box. This type of person has the brain power to evade everyone for quite a while, so they are most likely successful in their other endevours, but as someone that is experienced at life, they also know that nothing lasts forever. They most likely understand the differences in punishment for abduction versus murder and since we have already established that do realize by now that nothing lasts forever and they will get caught, I hoping that they realize that although they have made a horrible mistake, that perhaps it is not too late to accept their fate with a lessor punishment for abduction only.

If it is too late, this wordly person will realize that losing a child is the worst pain ever and no amount of time, even after, let's say arbitrarily 8 years, that pain is still there. But the pain of not knowing what happened is a far greater pain. Perhaps they have a daughter of their own, or two, and when they look at them, the shame will guide them to do the right thing.

Great post MNDad.
I don't like to admit that the perp is intelligent or smart but IMO he is.
To plan this crime took a smidgen of intelligence. He's smart enough to escape arrest for 5 weeks. He's smart enough to keep the girls out of sight.

I hope along with you MN that the perp has a heart and returns the girls to their parents.
I can't claim to know what the parents feel. I know how much I love my kids and Know that one of them disappearing would eat me alive.
I referred to the perp as a he for no particular reason.Imoo

 

[CHERIE.T]

that's my opinion too, someone they knew or saw that just "blended" in and did not look " out of place"...maybe that is why no one noticed anything out of the ordinary/little or no sightings?

Maybe someone who was in the park regularly.:moo:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Slightly OT:
I belong to a FB group for ankle injuries and we just had that problem of a "cast fetish" person posing as an ankle injury person to join our FB group!
Some of these people obsess w/ people that have casts or actually get "fake casts" put on!! OMG I had no idea!

No way. Lol that's a little nuts.

 

[nikb]

<snipped for space>This is a small town, not a high crime area for the most part. It wouldn't surprise me, in fact, that some of the cameras on buildings... don't even work.

I keep thinking this same exact thing. The fake cameras are used quite often, or just cameras nobody's checked in awhile or they're not even sure how to check them.

 

[Sunlight]

As to the validity of eye witnesses, pft! Notorious for being inaccurate. I'm not saying anyone lied at all, but they could have easily been mistaken. RC, for example, pressed by a police officer, then alarmed, jumps to help, bless him. But perhaps the days got mixed? Wrong kid(s)?
Then there's TG. He claimed he came around a bend and had to swerve around a couple of bikes. He didn't stop, didn't see anyone to maybe yell at <lol> He simply went around some bikes, while zipping along on his. He may have hesitated as he did, uncertain to step forward at first, because maybe he was unsure what DAY that was? He rides that trail 'regularly.' At the time, he thought little of it until much later, when he saw the news. He tried calling tip lines. His final attempt was a bit casual, and could have been out of slight uncertainty. Once in the thick of the mess at the lake, however, he grows more and more certain... yep, it WAS Friday. Pretty sure they WERE those bikes.
Such is pretty typical, and rarely reliable, even tho intentions are honorable.

Yes, but he has proof that he was there. He told them that. He made a phone call that he presented to back that up. The phone call made sense, until days later when the cctv footage was revealed with the 8 minute time lag that the FBI discussed with the owner of the cctv camera allegedly...why were they discussing 8 minutes at all...only because it conflicted with the phone call, which can be documented. The 8 minute phone lag means that the girls had one minute to get to the trail....doesn't add up. MOO

 

[LaylaD]

It's late at night and I'm probably not thinking clearly anymore, but the thought just popped into my head that maybe a magician was involved in the disappearance. Just a random thought about how else could they disappear so quickly....

 

[CHERIE.T]

If they truly do not have any other video of the girls that day - then they disappeared from close to home and the bikes were staged. I do not get the feeling this was a random perp.

ETA: For this to be true all 3 possible sightings have to be wrong. (Mr. C, TG, and 2:30 random stranger guy.)

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Yes all 3 were..maybe ..wrong, confused about the day they saw the girls, or maybe 1!of them lied. :what: Imoo

 

[nikb]

Two random late night thoughts...

- The Elizabeth Smart story is on TV tonight (at least where I am). It's kind of interesting seeing what the family vs. news vs. LE say.

- This is probably just unlikely coincidence but is it just me, or does the number 8 keep coming up over and over in this case? Elizabeth's age of 8 (pre-birthday), 8 minutes on the CCTV, 8 years mentioned earlier on this thread - that last one I'm not sure what it was about but I kept thinking "really? the number 8 again?" Is there something significant about the number 8? (ahem as I said, random late night thoughts)

 

[TeenyTaurus]

Yes, but he has proof that he was there. He told them that. He made a phone call that he presented to back that up. The phone call made sense, until days later when the cctv footage was revealed with the 8 minute time lag that the FBI discussed with the owner of the cctv camera allegedly...why were they discussing 8 minutes at all...only because it conflicted with the phone call, which can be documented. The 8 minute phone lag means that the girls had one minute to get to the trail....doesn't add up. MOO

It sure doesn't, does it! However... it doesn't prove A) he was on that trail where he said he was (no witness and probably one reason at least the FBI asked about that paddle boater), B) still doesn't mean TG swerved around the CORRECT bikes, as his location doesn't seem to match up with where the girls' bikes were found hours later.
TG has just made a royal mess of brainwork, hasn't he? <lol> Funny... he didn't know about ANY videos for... days... What bathroom did he say he used again?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Nik, you'
re not imagining things ,the number 8 is popping up often.

 

[Wendy101]

Two random late night thoughts...

- The Elizabeth Smart story is on TV tonight (at least where I am). It's kind of interesting seeing what the family vs. news vs. LE say.

- This is probably just unlikely coincidence but is it just me, or does the number 8 keep coming up over and over in this case? Elizabeth's age of 8 (pre-birthday), 8 minutes on the CCTV, 8 years mentioned earlier on this thread - that last one I'm not sure what it was about but I kept thinking "really? the number 8 again?" Is there something significant about the number 8? (ahem as I said, random late night thoughts)

8 ball= cocaine

 

[TeenyTaurus]

Two random late night thoughts...

- The Elizabeth Smart story is on TV tonight (at least where I am). It's kind of interesting seeing what the family vs. news vs. LE say.

- This is probably just unlikely coincidence but is it just me, or does the number 8 keep coming up over and over in this case? Elizabeth's age of 8 (pre-birthday), 8 minutes on the CCTV, 8 years mentioned earlier on this thread - that last one I'm not sure what it was about but I kept thinking "really? the number 8 again?" Is there something significant about the number 8? (ahem as I said, random late night thoughts)

Been a pesky random thought here, too. Jung's synchronicity?

 

[CHERIE.T]

I don't think she hid it. I believe Lyric and her cousin were talking to men online and they both hid their online activities......at least for a while.

Many of these social sites allow you to see the zip code of the participants. The 24-year-old perv arrested in Waterloo for having sex with a 12-year-old he met on the internet was active on meetme.com. This site allows people of any age to participate and it shows their zip code. Very dangerous.

I imagine that is exactly it.....unsupervised computer use , using a fake name and lie about their age. Imoo

 

[CHERIE.T]

As this case involves two girls missing, leaving some "quick opportunistic grab" scenario less likely than someone the girls knew and lured, I have wondered just what lures might be used. While Elizabeth has been portrayed as a very friendly, even 'chatty' little girl, Lyric may be the more cautious type by comparison. What types of scenarios might entice both girls? I do think that "help the injured person" one would work. Anyone have any more possibilities? And, say, much closer to home?

Attention....simply attention.
:moo:

 

[nikb]

Been a pesky random thought here, too. Jung's synchronicity?

Huh. Weird. Thanks for making me Google. I mean that sincerely.

I doubt most of what I'm thinking can be posted here as it probably drifts into the realm of psychics - which I know aren't allowed and I don't even claim to be one. But it's so along those lines, dreams that make no sense and the same bizarre details keep coming up. Thanks for you and others responding, at least I'm not the only one wondering about the number 8. I don't know that it'll be at all helpful for finding the girls but maybe there's something to it?

 

[CHERIE.T]

This gave me the heebie jeebies, because it reminds me so much of "poor Ted" up at Lake Sammamish, that just needed some help getting his boat on his car. :shudder:

Btw. . one of my Mom's co-workers was approached by him coming out of the library one night. He had his arm in a sling and dropped his books. . .could she please help him carry his books to his car. Once they started walking towards the parking lot she got a bad feeling and made some excuse as to why she couldn't go to his car. That was the night Susan Rancourt disappeared.

What??l that was your mom's friend?? Oh myo.

 

[smiley]

Watching the Elizabeth Smart story and they say more times than not it is someone who the children know. They had to be eliminated as suspects and put up with alot of law enforcement and media issues.