IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[TeenyTaurus]

While I agree based on personal experience, I've seen "going to the police station" referenced several times related to this case - Heather going to report the girls missing, Mr. G. to report seeing the bikes, and I could swear there was one more but I can't find it. It sounds like it may be more common to go there instead of calling in E'dale than it is where I live.

Unless... maybe... you don't LIVE in Evansdale.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't know about the "ABOUT 12:20" comment - to my knowledge, TG has always stated he saw the bikes around 12:20. He determined that time by pinpointing the time he called his daughter, then working backwards. If you have seen anything to indicate that he has changed from that approx. 12:20 time, please provide a link because I sure missed it. Thanks!

ETA: I'm not saying whether or not I believe anyone's story 100% - the above is just what was reported in MSM.

"around" and "about" mean the same thing in Australia, which is "approximately".

We agree...it was approximately 12.20. Could have been 3 minutes earlier, or 3 minutes later.

 

[hollyblue]

Didn't someone post an excellent map about how the bike trail/nature trail was 57 miles long or something...I can't find it. Was it Hollyblue? I just want to look at it again.

I don't know if this is the same one I posted before...it's first one I came across on Google.

http://www.trailsfromrails.com/cedar_valley_trail.htm

 

[CoachSue]

FYI, the 10pm newscast from KWWL-TV just covered Misty's being hospitalized. They mentioned some info that was new to me, but it looks like it had been reported earlier on their website. Here's an excerpt:

According to a police report, Misty was in a deep sleep and could not be woken up. Family members said she was at the hospital earlier in the day, heavily medicated, and later drank a large quantity of alcohol. She allegedly also took an unknown amount of her own prescribed medication.

The family also told officers she was threat to herself..
She was later admitted to the ICU.

Full article here: http://www.kwwl.com/story/19332348/mother-of-missing-evansdale-girl-hospitalized

 

[nikb]

True, but Mr P (owner of cctv) said they were the only cyclists on tape that day. <snipped for space>

Huh... just now thought about this, they were the only cyclists on the tape but is it also the only time he saw them? If it is, that's not the block the girls were riding around most of the time they were out. Could've been a block over but what's caught on CCTV is the only time they turned the corner behind that building.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Huh... just now thought about this, they were the only cyclists on the tape but is it also the only time he saw them? If it is, that's not the block the girls were riding around most of the time they were out. Could've been a block over but what's caught on CCTV is the only time they turned the corner behind that building.

We just don't know...

Like so much in this case.

I think a few locals decided on earlier threads that the girls could easily change up their route and still add no extra time to their journey.

Personally I was a creature of habit when I rode my bike at that age, always tracking the same roads...but I was in a city not a town.

 

[nikb]

Unless... maybe... you don't LIVE in Evansdale.

True, good point.

 

[Sunlight]

I don't know if this is the same one I posted before...it's first one I came across on Google.

http://www.trailsfromrails.com/cedar_valley_trail.htm

Thank you! I'm curious as to how you get on that trail from E'dale going south. Everything has revolved around going north or the highway, etc., we were just wondering about other exits from E'dale.

 

[SapphireSteel]

FYI, the 10pm newscast from KWWL-TV just covered Misty's being hospitalized. They mentioned some info that was new to me, but it looks like it had been reported earlier on their website. Here's an excerpt:

According to a police report, Misty was in a deep sleep and could not be woken up. Family members said she was at the hospital earlier in the day, heavily medicated, and later drank a large quantity of alcohol. She allegedly also took an unknown amount of her own prescribed medication.

The family also told officers she was threat to herself..
She was later admitted to the ICU.

Full article here: http://www.kwwl.com/story/19332348/mother-of-missing-evansdale-girl-hospitalized

They let her straight back out again so she can't be considered too much of a suicide risk, surely?

Or is it just the old insurance stuff you guys have over there?

In Australia being admitted twice for overdoses in a short time would have you committed...for 48 hours at least.

 

[LaylaD]

Well alrighty then, then I guess there is no more to talk about. Hmmm, how is the weather in your neck of the woods.?

I'll probably get in hot water for this......

I've considered the possibility of a couple being out on the trail - one spouse possibly in a motorized wheelchair that is no longer working properly - and they ask for assistance pushing the wheelchair to where the other spouse has driven their van up on the trail. I think the two girls would be willing to help, and then were grabbed when close to the van. MOO.

 

[cindersoot]

They let her straight back out again so she can't be considered too much of a suicide risk, surely?

Or is it just the old insurance stuff you guys have over there?

In Australia being admitted twice for overdoses in a short time would have you committed...for 48 hours at least.

Same here in the States.

 

[Jules71]

FYI, the 10pm newscast from KWWL-TV just covered Misty's being hospitalized. They mentioned some info that was new to me, but it looks like it had been reported earlier on their website. Here's an excerpt:

According to a police report, Misty was in a deep sleep and could not be woken up. Family members said she was at the hospital earlier in the day, heavily medicated, and later drank a large quantity of alcohol. She allegedly also took an unknown amount of her own prescribed medication.

The family also told officers she was threat to herself..
She was later admitted to the ICU.

Full article here: http://www.kwwl.com/story/19332348/mother-of-missing-evansdale-girl-hospitalized

This is making it sound like a suicide attempt which is different than what I thought earlier. So first her brother, then Misty.

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[LaylaD]

True, but Mr P (owner of cctv) said they were the only cyclists on tape that day.

True - but his business isn't close to parks and playgrounds and is in a different neighborhood than the lake area. Just as the girls were expected to stay in their neihborhood, other kids may have stayed in theirs.

 

[cindersoot]

This is making it sound like a suicide attempt which is different than what I thought earlier. So first her brother, then Misty.

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If it were a suicide attempt, they would admit here for sure and not let her go home. Insurance or not.

 

[Jules71]

If it were a suicide attempt, they would admit here for sure and not let her go home. Insurance or not.

Did they send her home? Or is she just no longer at that facility?

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[SapphireSteel]

It just seems clumsy to have dummy bikes set up, to me anyway.

If you are a predator going hunting, why would you bother?

I'm recalling Jaycee's abduction...those people didn't give a damn who saw them.

 

[taagean]

Thank you! I'm curious as to how you get on that trail from E'dale going south. Everything has revolved around going north or the highway, etc., we were just wondering about other exits from E'dale.

If you go to Google Earth and zoom in a bit, you will see the Cedar Valley Nature Trail. It continues from Lafayette St down to Gilbert Drive,east along Gilbert past Grand Blvd, and then south again under the highway along the river to the west and across the river to the south. It runs for miles and passes close to Gilbertville.

ETA: You can also access this from Meyer's Lake but it appears to involve a bit of cycling along Arbutus.

 

[Marilynilpa]

"around" and "about" mean the same thing in Australia, which is "approximately".

We agree...it was approximately 12.20. Could have been 3 minutes earlier, or 3 minutes later.

Around and about mean the same thing here in the US also. I wasn't at all confused by your usage of the word "about", and I'm sorry you somehow seem to think I was.

My question about your post was not the usage of "about", it was that you said we were "back to ABOUT 12:20". I thought that was the time we had always been working from re: TG. The 12:20 time was always just an approximate time. IMO

 

[Jules71]

I'll probably get in hot water for this......

I've considered the possibility of a couple being out on the trail - one spouse possibly in a motorized wheelchair that is no longer working properly - and they ask for assistance pushing the wheelchair to where the other spouse has driven their van up on the trail. I think the two girls would be willing to help, and then were grabbed when close to the van. MOO.

I think this is just as possible as other scenarios and I hadn't thought of this before. Good thought!

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[JaimeInLA]

If it were a suicide attempt, they would admit here for sure and not let her go home. Insurance or not.

They did admit her. She was at the hospital twice today. The first time, they released her. The second time, they put her in the ICU.