IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[tlcya]

My beautiful daughter is 19 and still has no particular interest in dating.

She has put her studies first.

She has seen her friends pretty much screw up their lives chasing one boy or another, in some cases men.

She's smart and said "nup"...so far. Wild horses would not drag her to meet a boy at that age, she was still playing with Lego.

sorry for the off topic but your post gives me hope. my DD is 12 within months and is not interested in boys as yet. There are a few singers or TV actors she finds "cute" but like your daughter, is very driven, choosing to focus on her educational goals rather than boyfriends or any of that nonsense yet. As she tells me, who has time for that and boys are just dumb at this age.

I sure hope my DD continues not to fall prey to boy craziness of some of her friends. Your DD gives me hope.

Back on topic.

 

[TxLady2]

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possible evidence-
tire tracks
shoe tracks
cigarette butts
cloth fibers
drink cans
foliage bent or broken





IMO

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There could be DNA on a cigarette butt or drink can, but it could be from anyone, and may not be connected to the girls' disappearance at all. Same with tire tracks or shoe prints. Unless they have a suspect in mind, there is simply nothing to compare them with. As for broken or bent foilage, I'm sure there are animals rummaging around in those wooded areas. A bit of cloth that matched something one of them was wearing, now that would be helpful.
But... who is to say that they haven't collected some of these things and are in the process of testing on them?

 

[CHERIE.T]

In addition, I might add...
Dog can also pick up were a struggle might of happened with the victim and perpetrator.
Because person drop 10,000 pieces of scent per minute these are dead skin cells, hair follicles, etc. and that drop daily on a normal basis.
However, in a struggle, more than 500,000 pieces can be dropped and a dog would also pickup on this.

A huge thank you for this information.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Indeed, Deputy Abben confirmed they were processing "physical evidence" which to me implies they did find something of the sort...

They are just not telling us WHAT...or the results of the testing.

:banghead:

 

[Confusion]

Elk Run Heights has bothered me all the way through.

It appears significant.

Are there any locals who can give me an idea of why this would be? Is it a "kid magnet" type of place?

The reason I ask this is granma specifically mentioned it when describing where they had searched.

There is an elementary school there, which probably means a playground of some sort. I don't know how important it is, but I believe the school is just a few blocks from where MCM works.

 

[taagean]

Elk Run Heights has bothered me all the way through.

It appears significant.

Are there any locals who can give me an idea of why this would be? Is it a "kid magnet" type of place?

The reason I ask this is granma specifically mentioned it when describing where they had searched.

I'm not local but it was just to the west of this area where LE and searchers first looked for Lyric and Eilizabeth - along Gilbertville Rd and the cornfields behind the truck stops. There is a park in Elk Run Heights, but I don't know if it is one they may have gone to. It would have been a fairly straight bike ride down Lafayette St, not too far away from home.

ETA Just measured it on Google - looks like 1.5 miles from Brovan to the park at Elk Run Heights.

 

[tlcya]

Indeed, Deputy Abben confirmed they were processing "physical evidence" which to me implies they did find something of the sort...

They are just not telling us WHAT...or the results of the testing.

:banghead:

Yep and I recall reporters witnessing and reporting on LEOs picking up unidentified items during the searching of the wooded area near the lake. Physical evidence has been gathered for sure. That is without question.

I just wish we could know if the items found and sent for testing are actually related to the girls' case or simply potential evidence that didn't pan out.

So frustrating

 

[TxLady2]

Skip on over to the Charley Project.

You will find many, many disappeared persons (especially women) whose partners have been named as POI, yet never prosecuted.

It pretty much boils down to no body, no prosecution.

:cow:

A partner or spouse is pretty much going to always be the prime suspect, especially if there was any problems going on within the relationship. But in cases where there is no spouse or significant other, or the person is very young, they will usually look at family or close friends. When all else fails, and it's evident that it was a stranger abduction... LE has to start from scratch.

 

[cindersoot]

When I biked around the lake, on the west side in some bushes was a sheet, and I went down kinda in a ditch to look at it, was nothing but I noticed farther off an empty 12pk beer carton. It might have blown in, but my first thought was someone sat there for awhile and drank and who knows what.

 

[CN2Souls]

Question?
Why didn&#8217;t the dogs track the &#8220;whole" track of the girls at the lake?
What I mean is the dogs can track people in cars and people on bikes and all such things,
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, why didn&#8217;t the dogs track the track of the girls riding up to the lake on their bikes?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Question?
Why didn’t the dogs track the “whole track of the girls at the lake?
What I mean is the dogs can track people in cars and people on bikes and all such things,
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, why didn’t the dogs track the track of the girls riding up to the lake on their bikes?

I believe they have been all over town with the dogs, so we don't know that they didn't do this.

:cow:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Question?
Why didn&#8217;t the dogs track the &#8220;whole track of the girls at the lake?
What I mean is the dogs can track people in cars and people on bikes and all such things,
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, why didn&#8217;t the dogs track the track of the girls riding up to the lake on their bikes?

I would like to know that too.

Did the dogs even start the search on the road before the park?......or did they being at the entrance to the park?

 

[Sunlight]

The article today does mention that they are reviewing statements, amongst other things.

As for evidence, there has been evidence found that is being analyzed or has already been analyzed.

There might be information available regarding evidence and searches elsewhere on this site, but it might take some digging back in time or it might not. It does not involve sleuthing, but it might be enlightening or it might not. In any case, it is not material that can be discussed in this particular forum.

Regarding the video. That grassy area next to the fence (before the trail turns) the part that goes straight with the fence on the highway side, looks like a vehicle could park or easily turn around. When the person is standing looking down from the pump station into the woods, I noticed a large branch that was recently broken..right in front of her..when she is talking about the big tree in the woods. There is a definite foot path by the end of the fence (early in the video), where she says she isn't wearing boots and doesn't want to go in (that might be the path that leads close to the lake up toward those houses where the house is for sale). There is also a reference in the video that you can turn left when you go up the hill away from where the bikes were found that will eventually lead to an underpass and on toward the river.

Just some observations. MOO

 

[Jules71]

Maybe instead of trying to come up with the most likely suspect - we should look in the opposite direction and think who would be least likely do do this? Just a thought.

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[Confusion]

Question?
Why didn’t the dogs track the “whole track of the girls at the lake?
What I mean is the dogs can track people in cars and people on bikes and all such things,
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, why didn’t the dogs track the track of the girls riding up to the lake on their bikes?

I wish I could remember where I read this so I could post a link, but I can't so I'll have to just say MOO...

I believe I read that (some?) dogs are trained to follow the trail from oldest to newest so they actually lead to where the lost person is rather than where they started out (which is often known). If I remember correctly and that's the case, the bikes would be the "oldest" scent they were working with, and what they followed would have been left after they had left the bikes.

 

[cindersoot]

I believe they have been all over town with the dogs, so we don't know that they didn't do this.

:cow:

When did you hear the dogs went all over town?

 

[CN2Souls]

I believe they have been all over town with the dogs, so we don't know that they didn't do this.

:cow:

True, True..... I am an Avid Scanner Fan

However, If they let the dogs off at the parking lot of the lake, and gave them scent pads to track where the girls had been, why didn't they track also to the bikes then off on the direction the bikes came into the park/lake area. All the news teams were there at that time and NOT ONE said or filmed anything.

 

[threecrazykids]

Maybe instead of trying to come up with the most likely suspect - we should look in the opposite direction and think who would be least likely do do this? Just a thought.

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I would like to be on that list please. :floorlaugh: I don't want to be on the "other" list.

 

[cindersoot]

You will notice there are many, many posts here which do not link.

That is usually because they have already been linked, over and over again, as in this case or

The post in question is stated as OPINION.

Which mine did.

As far as I know we do not need to "prove" opinion.

Not trying to be snarky at all, but sometimes your opinion sounds more like fact, jmo.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I wish I could remember where I read this so I could post a link, but I can't so I'll have to just say MOO...

I believe I read that (some?) dogs are trained to follow the trail from oldest to newest so they actually lead to where the lost person is rather than where they started out (which is often known). If I remember correctly and that's the case, the bikes would be the "oldest" scent they were working with, and what they followed would have been left after they had left the bikes.

They naturally do this.

Their tracking abilities are to enable the dog to find prey so they don't care where they prey has been, they care where it has gone, so they can catch it and eat it up.

A poster on here watched her (elderley) dog track the wrong way around...in my opinion this dog may well have the canine equivalent to alzheimers as this is totally against their natural instinct.

Regarding the dogs - it has been reported in msm that reporters and family actually watched the dogs track the scent to the wooded area.

I am of the opinion that the dogs MAY NOT have been tracking our girls at the time, but the perps scent.

There is no way outsiders can confirm it was actually the girls that the dogs were tracking when watched.

:moo: