IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[cindersoot]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the clarification of the FBI's "We believe the girls are alive" statement.

He also clarified FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault’s July 21 statement that “We believe the girls are alive.” Smock said investigators have no information to prove or disprove they are alive.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_d5ff400c-ec59-11e1-a2bd-0019bb2963f4.html

I wonder if they're concerned that people won't call in suspicious smells, ect.

Their not going to say anything different , because number one, they have no evidence to prove they are deceased, such as blood ,etc.

 

[Sunlight]

I don't have to. Whether he went by or not really doesn't affect any of the rest. If you believe he imagined it, then just take that sentence out (I hadn't includeded it originally, but added it at the last minute.) I'm pretty flexible with my ideas, I've just been trying to come up with different ideas to give others a jumping off place.

I think your scenario is very plausible. I don't think he imagined anything. It is just a question of what statements have been made and how it fits. It can fit perfectly into your scenario, if it fits the timeline. I'm not discounting what you wrote at all. Very good in my opinion.

 

[cindersoot]

You have to go to the basics. Only a few people saw the bikes or the girls. Everyone has seen the video. I don't think it's to tough to figure out. JMO

 

[roseofsharon]

Here's a theory I've wondered about for quite some time.

It seems feasible that HC, DC and maybe WC would have shopped at various businesses on Lafayette or in the area of Brovan from time to time and may have taken the children into these stores with them.

Could an owner or employee of one of these stores gotten to know the girls from being in the store and then have seen them riding their bikes from time to time around the various parking lots and become very friendly with them to build trust.

I realize there is no way to know, but could a store owner or one of their employees be living near the lake and holding the girls hostage.

I still feel the girls are alive and are being held near a home at the lake.

Just some thoughts and imo.

 

[TeenyTaurus]

August 3: "The girls' bicycles were recovered at Meyers Lake by a local firefighter at 4 p.m. on July 13. The girls were last seen riding their bicycles in downtown Evansdale at 12:15 p.m."

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_9b33f71a-dd95-11e1-86a6-001a4bcf887a.html

You notice how, even by August 3rd, that the last seen time is 12:15, not 12:19. If you go back to actual quotes by Mr. Pahl, he didn't really infer that the time should have been "12:19," the media did. He also expressed suspicion, most likely in light of TGs previous approximation, that he doubted they could have ridden that far in 8 minutes, not 1 minute.
I despise social media gossip mills, I don't even have a FB, MS or Twitter account, and refuse to ever count crap there as worth my time, but I have my doubts with MSM, as well. <lol>

 

[otto]

You have to go to the basics. Only a few people saw the bikes or the girls. Everyone has seen the video. I don't think it's to tough to figure out. JMO

Who saw the girls on July 13 after 12:15 and where were they seen?

 

[Jules71]

Is there any reason Mr. Pahl would say the cctv is 8 minutes slow if it really wasn't? Would the FBI ever tell him to say that if it wasn't true?

Another thought. Maybe the girls did go to the lake when they asked to go for a bike ride at 11:30. Maybe they really were on their way back home and were being followed by some creep(s) who saw them at the lake. Why would they continue on past their house though in front of the cctv (where Gma also claimed to see them around this same time)? Unless it was someone they knew who said hop in were going to go to x. Or they knew they still had 15 minutes before they would need to check in. Then the person stages their bikes at the lake since he knew they had been there.

I know - nothing new. Just rehashing.

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[otto]

You notice how, even by August 3rd, that the last seen time is 12:15, not 12:19. If you go back to actual quotes by Mr. Pahl, he didn't really infer that the time should have been "12:19," the media did. He also expressed suspicion, most likely in light of TGs previous approximation, that he doubted they could have ridden that far in 8 minutes, not 1 minute.
I despise social media gossip mills, I don't even have a FB, MS or Twitter account, and refuse to ever count crap there as worth my time, but I have my doubts with MSM, as well. <lol>

The times are obviously rounded. The bikes were officially found at 3:58, but in the article the time is rounded to 4:00. I don't think anything can be read into that.

 

[cindersoot]

I just think your guys theories are great, but your making it too hard.

 

[nikb]

This was posted elsewhere but it's MSM from the Today show. It's about abductions by strangers and a staged/false "abduction" to see what people would do. Even a "noisy" abduction might be ignored, it seems. From the story: "What would you do if you saw someone, especially a child, in trouble. Would you jump in to help?..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dfkZKjWSo&feature=related

I bet more people think or are sure they would do something to help than the number of people who actually would. It seems E'dale is very calm and quiet so maybe it's more likely people would jump in there. One can hope. It seems to be an assumption here - one I believed as well - that the abduction had to have been quiet. IMO it probably was, but maybe it wasn't.

 

[Jules71]

You notice how, even by August 3rd, that the last seen time is 12:15, not 12:19. If you go back to actual quotes by Mr. Pahl, he didn't really infer that the time should have been "12:19," the media did. He also expressed suspicion, most likely in light of TGs previous approximation, that he doubted they could have ridden that far in 8 minutes, not 1 minute.
I despise social media gossip mills, I don't even have a FB, MS or Twitter account, and refuse to ever count crap there as worth my time, but I have my doubts with MSM, as well. <lol>

But the timestamp on the cctv is 12:11. He is quoted as saying it was 8 minutes slow so that would put it at 12:19, right?

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[MNDad]

Okay MNDad, try this one.

I'll leave it to someone more creative than I am to come up with the reason the girls rushed to the lake and/or what/who they went to see. I don't really think it was a boy, but it could be. Anyway, once they get to the lake they start out going through the open gate and along the fence to get to the wooded area, but decided it was too hard to go that way (or someone motioned to them from the east end of the fence to come around that way instead,. TG rides by while they're out of sight on the lake side of the fence.

Elizabeth was concentrating so much on keeping her balance, and maybe carrying something besides just the purse, that she either didn't notice when she dropped it or decided she'd go back for it when they were done. They go back through the gate, they pick up the bikes and lean them against the fence on their way to the end. Once they get around the fence and pretty much out of sight, the person who had motioned them over contacts his/her partner who drives into the grassy area and parks, they all get in (either willingly or forced by the 2 or more perps), and drive away.

I do think the girls were at the lake and I think they were on the lake side of the fence at some point. I think the dogs picking up on their scent was the scent from that day. I agree that someone could have pulled up on the grassy area and swooped them away. What I am not sure about is exactly what time it was when it happened, if there was more than one perp or if it was by force and if by force, when in the process that force started. All things are possible and all of our theories work for 80% of the plot. It is the 20% of unfeasable where each of our theories break down. We could take each theory and juggle the characters around to play different parts in this nightmare and see if the 20% is reduced.

 

[TeenyTaurus]

Did Fbi make a visit to Elk Run Creek today?

I suspect it came to naught, as well, tho such is just moo. Still... could it be LE is still hitting walls? Scary!

 

[roseofsharon]

Did WC tell the girls when they needed to be home before they left for their bike ride or did WC say when she looked out and saw them at the Lederman parking lot. Was someone else in earshot of WC telling the girls when they needed to be home.

I only wonder about this, as in the perp's mind, they would know how much time they had to work with.

imo

 

[Jax49]

This was posted elsewhere but it's MSM from the Today show. It's about abductions by strangers and a staged/false "abduction" to see what people would do. Even a "noisy" abduction might be ignored, it seems. From the story: "What would you do if you saw someone, especially a child, in trouble. Would you jump in to help?..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dfkZKjWSo&feature=related

I bet more people think or are sure they would do something to help than the number of people who actually would. It seems E'dale is very calm and quiet so maybe it's more likely people would jump in there. One can hope. It seems to be an assumption here - one I believed as well - that the abduction had to have been quiet. IMO it probably was, but maybe it wasn't.

That video made me cry. So many people just decided to do nothing.

 

[nikb]

But the timestamp on the cctv is 12:11. He is quoted as saying it was 8 minutes slow so that would put it at 12:19, right?

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Yep.. that's what I keep basing my thought on for the time. Not rumors (social media or otherwise). I've also wondered if he thought the clock was "slow" but meant "fast" just because I confuse that myself sometimes, which would make the CCTV 'actual' time 12:03. I've questioned the accuracy of that time all along.

 

[TeenyTaurus]

But the timestamp on the cctv is 12:11. He is quoted as saying it was 8 minutes slow so that would put it at 12:19, right?

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Do you by chance have a link to that quote, or was it paraphrased by media? Also, it is possible he transposed his thoughts in the moment, being focused on his puzzlement over the trip to Meyers Lake being accomplished in "8 minutes." If all the video camera's time stamp was off was maybe 1 minute, then 12:12 to 12:20 IS 8 minutes, if you follow me here. After all, he did NOT state that another's eye witness account was impossible because 12:19 and 12:20 are only ONE minute apart. This is merely one possible explanation for his somewhat weird statements involving that 8 minute stuff.

 

[nikb]

That video made me cry. So many people just decided to do nothing.

Sorry. I know what you mean. I did practically jump up and cheer when those guys ran over to the 'scene.' It was kind of buried in the interview but I was also so happy to hear that one lady called 911 (which is probably what I would do, knowing there's no way in heck I could take on the guy acting as the abductor).

I couldn't believe how many people did nothing, though. It might've just been how they shaped the story but it seemed like most of the ones who did nothing thought "oh I'm sure someone else will handle it/call it in/etc." All my life I've been taught that even if I think 100 people "must" have already called something in, call it in anyway just in case.

 

[Confusion]

That video made me cry. So many people just decided to do nothing.

Something I wondered both times I watched it was - if someone had gone by with a fairly young child, would they have reacted differently. Would the kid/s realize something was wrong?

I also think it's ironic that those who did stop to help are the same guys many people would be afraid to have around their children. I was not only glad that someone stopped to help, but also that it was those two in particular. With enough views, maybe it will help to fight some of those harmful stereotypes.

 

[Sunlight]

I think we have to go by what we know that can be verified by a clock.



The cctv camera shows the girls riding by at 12:11, 12:15, or 12:19

There was a phone call made by a witness at 12:27

The bikes were found by a firefighter and officially by LE at 3:58

That is really all that can be verified to some degree. Everything else is something somebody remembers or said or something like that...

MOO