IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[SapphireSteel]

Ouch my butt hurts.

 

[Tucarra]

I agree with this. For a while people were picking apart G'mas word and phrases and the plain truth is this is how these people talk. If we saw how they write, it would probably support the theory that they are not well educated and speak the way they learned how to speak from their parents and neighbors. They probably even use the word "irregardless". I know the folks here in Minnesota speak the same way.

I love "irregardless"..lol...it's actually in the official dictionaries now...but yes...a lot of people speak in wrong tenses nowadays...

 

[MNDad]

I love "irregardless"..lol...it's actually in the official dictionaries now...but yes...a lot of people speak in wrong tenses nowadays...

So is "aint" but dat don't done make it be right.

 

[Reverie]

So is "aint" but dat don't done make it be right.

I'm from MN, and I ain't never seen nobody talk like that.

But, seriously folks, this case is keeping me up late at night trying to nail down the facts. Trying to sort it all out. So many possibilities. Mind boggling.

Hoping and praying that Lyric and Elizabeth are found safe.

 

[daisynae]

I love "irregardless"..lol...it's actually in the official dictionaries now...but yes...a lot of people speak in wrong tenses nowadays...

I know I do not know if they are crazzzy for writing the dictionaries
Or if we are for selling and bying it!

 

[TxLady2]

Sorry OT but yes, I've heard of it happening. I don't know that it's always for drugs, but it happens for money for sure. In certain areas, it's not recommended to let your dog, especially purebred, out into the yard unattended - even a fenced yard.

I heard a story (first-hand) from a guy who lived in a somewhat questionable neighborhood and had his pitbull puppy stolen TWICE from his fenced yard. The first time he assumed the dog had just gotten out somehow and put up "missing" posters with reward money promised. As soon as the posters went up, he got a call. The "finders" wanted to meet in a public place (in hindsight, probably so the guy with the missing dog wouldn't know where they lived). A few weeks later the same dog disappeared AGAIN and similar scenario. He recognized one of the people in the family when they came to give him the dog they "found." He said he wasn't 100% sure but he thinks it was the person he'd bought the puppy from originally.

Dogs get stolen around my area frequently. I never let my two chihuahuas outside unless one of us is with them. Several years ago, before our Beagle died, my son watched someone stop at our driveway and try to coax her to their car. When he stepped out into view, they sped off.
I don't know why most people steal dogs, but some people have been known to do that just because they think the dog is cute and they want it and they're too cheap to go through proper channels.
I would think there are much easier and quicker ways to make money for drugs besides stealing and selling dogs. Who walks around with a dog in tow asking if anyone wants to buy it? You would have to put an ad in the paper and then wait until a buyer responds, then what if 5 people show up and none of them decide to take the dog? Wouldn't a person be into some serious withdrawal by then??? That's a lot of hassle to get drug money. Easier and quicker to steal a car. IMO.

 

[TxLady2]

What's wrong with the word 'irregardless?' I've heard it used a lot. Is that not a word??? I think I've heard lawyers use it, actually. I'm shocked!

 

[Jax49]

What's wrong with the word 'irregardless?' I've heard it used a lot. Is that not a word??? I think I've heard lawyers use it, actually. I'm shocked!

OT

Its in the dictionary but listed as nonstandard. Suggested usage is 'regardless'. But, yes, I've heard it all my life so I don't even notice it.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Me too. I didn't read too much into it in terms of him knowing she's no longer alive, more just a slip since she's been gone so long. I was glad his next comment was about her being so full of life (present tense).

ETA: oops, I see this was already discussed. Note to self: remember to catch up first next time before posting.

Or maybe reflecting his fear that when she comes back, that experience will have changed her.

Which is quite a realistic worry, it is bound to have changed her.

 

[GrainneDhu]

TB's quote also actually uses past tense to describe a geographical location that still exists. Speech analysis only works when you take in context of a person's normal speech patterns, which no one can do based off media interviews regardless of their claims. Most people do not speak correct English nowadays, and tend to be sloppy with use of tense quite a bit. So, taking a sentence or two from a media interview is pretty useless when we don't have a feeling for any of these people's normal speech patterns.
IMHO.

Thank you so much for this post. I couldn't agree more.

Heck, I write in mixed tenses all the time unless I am super super careful. At least it makes sense inside my head...

 

[GrainneDhu]

Animal rescue league, so?

Animal Rescue League says she's not theirs.

She sounds to me like someone who got hold of one of those re-painted Crown Vics that PDs sell off and she's trying to defraud people in a very creepy way.

 

[GrainneDhu]

It's pretty common in populated areas to have a pet stolen and then sold for drug money. Watch your chihuahuas.

Agree with you. I have no compassion for thieves.

Considering the details, particularly the greying hair in a ponytail, it kinda makes me wonder if she's an animal hoarder ratcheting it up a notch. Most hoarders believe they are saving their animals from abuse, even though the way they keep their animals is neglectful at best and often downright abusive.

 

[otto]

They could have biked to the gate at the jetty. Dropped their bikes, walked thru the unlocked gate, set the purse down and got in a paddleboat with a friend. They could have then boated over to the other side of the lake, exited the boat at the dock and then got in a vehicle so their "friend" could drive them back to the other side closer to their bikes. However they never got there. This would not explain their scent in the wooded area though.

From briefly searching online, it looks like the average speed of a paddleboat is 1-2 miles per hour. It would take a long time to paddleboat across the lake to the parking lot. That doesn't seem like something an abductor would choose to do ... a paddleboat seems like a very unlikely getaway vehicle.

 

[MotherOcean]

They could have biked to the gate at the jetty. Dropped their bikes, walked thru the unlocked gate, set the purse down and got in a paddleboat with a friend. They could have then boated over to the other side of the lake, exited the boat at the dock and then got in a vehicle so their "friend" could drive them back to the other side closer to their bikes. However they never got there. This would not explain their scent in the wooded area though.

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I didn't even think of that!! Oh my goodness. That's why I love WS. I love to hear other people's ideas.

I think the wooded area is down the trail where the fences end. There is a little patch of grass there that dips into the woods a little. I think that could be the area they are talking about. I don't know that it's the area where Maiden Lane is. It may be, but I'm not convinced that is the area that has been referred to by the family. They could have come down Arbutus, ridden their bikes through the larger grassy area that is on the east of the woods, stopped somewhere close to the edge of the woods (near the lane), and proceeded on down the trail to the gate.

 

[cindersoot]

Good morning. Im off to evansdale in a few hours, my phone is charging. I'm just hoping that the cell will record for awhile, I dont know how long the recording time is.

 

[cindersoot]

I didn't even think of that!! Oh my goodness. That's why I love WS. I love to hear other people's ideas.

I think the wooded area is down the trail where the fences end. There is a little patch of grass there that dips into the woods a little. I think that could be the area they are talking about. I don't know that it's the area where Maiden Lane is. It may be, but I'm not convinced that is the area that has been referred to by the family. They could have come down Arbutus, ridden their bikes through the larger grassy area that is on the east of the woods, stopped somewhere close to the edge of the woods (near the lane), and proceeded on down the trail to the gate.

MotherOceans scenario is what I always thought.

 

[MotherOcean]

What's wrong with the word 'irregardless?' I've heard it used a lot. Is that not a word??? I think I've heard lawyers use it, actually. I'm shocked!

from the Urban Dictionary -

irregardless

Used by people who ignorantly mean to say regardless. According to webster, it is a word, but since the prefix "ir" and the suffx "less" both mean "not or with" they cancel each other out, so what you end up with is regard. When you use this to try to say you don't care about something, you end up saying that you do. Of course everyone knows what you mean to say and only a pompous,rude ******* will correct you.

LOL! No, I don't think MNDad is all that ^^^!! Just think that's really funny!

 

[cindersoot]

From briefly searching online, it looks like the average speed of a paddleboat is 1-2 miles per hour. It would take a long time to paddleboat across the lake to the parking lot. That doesn't seem like something an abductor would choose to do ... a paddleboat seems like a very unlikely getaway vehicle.

From where the girls scent was at the waters edge, could be where they got into the paddle boat thinking a ride along the lake was what they were going to get, but the perp went straight to the wooded area, dragged then out of the boat ,through some underbrush ( dogs caught scent) into a vehicle that was hidden by trees and brush.

 

[cindersoot]

On July 18th LE officials called for all residential and commercial trash in the city of Evansdale to be set aside in the Black Hawk county landfill to be searched through by those involved in the ongoing investigation for the missing girls. This was 6 days after they went missing, so why would they do this if they tought the girls were still alive?

 

[otto]

From where the girls scent was at the waters edge, could be where they got into the paddle boat thinking a ride along the lake was what they were going to get, but the perp went straight to the wooded area, dragged then out of the boat ,through some underbrush ( dogs caught scent) into a vehicle that was hidden by trees and brush.

Let's suppose that someone asked the girls to meet them at the SE tip of Meyers Lake for a paddleboat ride. Once the girls were there, they could have been grabbed with or without a paddleboat, so why would anyone complicate things by actually having a stolen/borrowed paddleboat, and why would the paddleboat thief/borrower bother to return the paddleboat to the owners after kidnapping two children?