IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[cindersoot]

Rainy and lotes of small fires smoldering around the lake, today is the lake clean up. Very quite around there.

Thanks Cindersoot!! Wow - Lederman's doesn't look at all like I pictured it from the aerial Google shots. It is sooooo retro!!

Thats why I told everyone along time ago it looks like its from the 50's.

 

[cindersoot]

I thought of all you guys as I was there.

 

[Jules71]

What do you guys think about the island? It is much larger than I was originally thinking. It would be awful if the girls had been there all along. Do you think another search of it would be worth while? Could someone have done some digging on there without being noticed?

Thanks the the pics Cindersoot!

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[cindersoot]

I stopped at a gift shop on lafayette rd across from where collins live and bought a pink bracelet that says " Prayers for Elizabeth and Lyric". I will not take it off till they are found.

 

[cindersoot]

What do you guys think about the island? It is much larger than I was originally thinking. It would be awful if the girls had been there all along. Do you think another search of it would be worth while? Could someone have done some digging on there without being noticed?

Thanks the the pics Cindersoot!

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That island isn't that big at all really, Im positive it has been searched very very well.

 

[elmomom]

Happens all the time, they are CLass B dealers, people in the animal rescue community call them bunchers

I apologize for the off topic, but I could not let this stand without replying. I do animal rescue, so keep that in mind.
I have worked in medical and pharmaceutical research for 30 years. Years ago, i did use rodents in my research, but haven't used animals of any sort for many, many years now. Although working with animal saddens me, I can say that the standards at two universities, one medical college, and three pharmaceutical companies i have worked for, have all forbidden use of any type of animal other than intentionally bred by liiscened companies for the explicit use in medical research. First of all it is not good science to use variable animals that have questionable backgrounds. Lab animals, including dogs, are bred and kept in a controlled environment so that they are as much the same as they can be, and then sold to the research institution in a highly regulated fashion. Second, there is a Federal standard and rules I think called IUACUC that prohibits buying unlicensed animals. Third, no one I know would touch an animal if there was ANY evidence that it was previously someone's pet.
I live with three dogs, I have owned four previously that all died from old age. I am a dog lover to the extreme, and yes it hurts my soul to hear the howling And catch a glimpse on occasion (beagles are very common, labs and large breeds, not so much). But really what kills me are the primates. On the other hand, I did work on one of the best HIV medicines that saved many, many lives, some, people I know. The drugs would not, could not, have been developed without some amount of research in primates. Animal research is very, very expensive, and despite what you hear, companies and universities do as little of it as possible and avoid it as much as possible.

 

[elmomom]

I thought of all you guys as I was there.

Thank you for going, for reporting back to us and for carrying our thoughts along with you.
9 minutes. Wow, that really makes me stop and think of all that we have heard.

 

[Jules71]

Front of lake the parking lot looking at the island in lake.

Is that land on the right side of the picture part of the island or is that the shoreline? It almosts looks like you could walk out to the island. How big is it compared to the wooded area over by Maiden Lane?

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[roseofsharon]

Thank you Cindersoot! Everything you do is very much appreciated, including your input on this forum.

The pictures really make me feel so sad.

The picture of where the purse was found has me thinking about a possible boat theory (which has been discussed previously).

IMO

 

[cindersoot]

Is that land on the right side of the picture part of the island or is that the shoreline? It almosts looks like you could walk out to the island. How big is it compared to the wooded area over by Maiden Lane?

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It's looking from the parking lot (front of lake) it's on the right. Compared to the wooded area, I'd say it's maybe the same size or close to. No you can't walk out to the island, Im standing on higher ground.

 

[cindersoot]

Thank you Cindersoot! Everything you do is very much appreciated, including your input on this forum.

The pictures really make me feel so sad.

The picture of where the purse was found has me thinking about a possible boat theory (which has been discussed previously).

IMO

You know standing there at the gate entrance, I looked across the lake which by the way can be swan in three minutes across if that, and that green large paddle boat is still there.

 

[Jules71]

It's looking from the parking lot (front of lake) it's on the right. Compared to the wooded area, I'd say it's maybe the same size or close to. No you can't walk out to the island, Im standing on higher ground.

Thanks. I just pulled Meyers Lake up on Google maps and it looks like the island might be about twice the size (or larger) than the wooded area by Maiden Lane. I think they need to search it again. It's so thickly wooded.

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[peeples]

I apologize for the off topic, but I could not let this stand without replying. I do animal rescue, so keep that in mind.
I have worked in medical and pharmaceutical research for 30 years. Years ago, i did use rodents in my research, but haven't used animals of any sort for many, many years now. Although working with animal saddens me, I can say that the standards at two universities, one medical college, and three pharmaceutical companies i have worked for, have all forbidden use of any type of animal other than intentionally bred by liiscened companies for the explicit use in medical research. First of all it is not good science to use variable animals that have questionable backgrounds. Lab animals, including dogs, are bred and kept in a controlled environment so that they are as much the same as they can be, and then sold to the research institution in a highly regulated fashion. Second, there is a Federal standard and rules I think called IUACUC that prohibits buying unlicensed animals. Third, no one I know would touch an animal if there was ANY evidence that it was previously someone's pet.
I live with three dogs, I have owned four previously that all died from old age. I am a dog lover to the extreme, and yes it hurts my soul to hear the howling And catch a glimpse on occasion (beagles are very common, labs and large breeds, not so much). But really what kills me are the primates. On the other hand, I did work on one of the best HIV medicines that saved many, many lives, some, people I know. The drugs would not, could not, have been developed without some amount of research in primates. Animal research is very, very expensive, and despite what you hear, companies and universities do as little of it as possible and avoid it as much as possible.

The animals you talk about come from CLass A dealers. Animals are born and raised in controlled environments.. class B dealers OTOH are really scummy

 

[Ambi16]

thank you cindersoot. i am sure it was very emotional for you to ride that path. thank you for selflessly spending your birthday in evansdale. I hope you and your hubby were able to have some quality time on your trip.

ps....the island really scares me as well. it always has.

 

[cindersoot]

Look at this, its right when you walk thru the gate and look right towards the woods .

You need to realize the water level is down because of the draining so I'm not sure what the shoreline here looked like before the draining.

 

[cindersoot]

Thanks. I just pulled Meyers Lake up on Google maps and it looks like the island might be about twice the size (or larger) than the wooded area by Maiden Lane. I think they need to search it again. It's so thickly wooded.

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I had planned on walking thru the wooded area from the gate to the pump house by the street, but man, it's really creepy and I saw a foot path, but I just couldn't do it.

 

[cindersoot]

The huge thing I noticed is while standing by the gate where the bikes were found, it is so secluded from view. And if the perp drove up to the bike path on the east side or close to the wooded area, I can so see how noone would really notice.

 

[cindersoot]

I have a feeling the perp knew that, that time of day it would be easy because people would not be around. If you had the perfect place to abduct two girls, that would be the place.

 

[Ambi16]

The huge thing I noticed is while standing by the gate where the bikes were found, it is so secluded from view. And if the perp drove up to the bike path on the east side or close to the wooded area, I can so see how noone would really notice.

So what are you thinking about everything now that you were there again? What is your gut telling you may have happened? Did today sway your thoughts one way or another? Or did being there add to the mystery?

 

[cindersoot]

So what are you thinking about everything now that you were there again? What is your gut telling you may have happened? Did today sway your thoughts one way or another? Or did being there add to the mystery?

My gut feeling is the girls went thru the gate for a boat ride, but was taken by the perp throught the woods to a vehicle. I also now still think they rode the bike path off Lafayette st straight to the lake or past Carpenters house then to the lake. I mean 9 minutes from Elizabeths house to the lake is easy.