IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[otto]

I don't think he was destoying evidence, he could of done that along time ago, and since it's lake clean up day I think that was innocent, jmo. But from where the gate is, oh no, no way would anyone see anything happening from the parking lot. No if your at the front of the lake (parking lo) NO you wouldn't see anything, unless you had binoculars.

Thanks. That sets aside any speculation that someone at the parking lot would have seen the girls if they entered the area from the East. It also places in doubt the possibility that someone fishing on the dock would have noticed or recognized the girls riding from the West towards the double gate.

 

[cindersoot]

Thanks. That sets aside any speculation that someone at the parking lot would have seen the girls if they entered the area from the East. It also places in doubt the possibility that someone fishing on the dock would have noticed or recognized the girls riding from the West towards the double gate.

If the girls started from the west of the lake on the bike trail there, they would of been seen for a few seconds, then nope nada. ( from the parking lot)

 

[cindersoot]

Yea, to be clear again, there is no way anyone from the parking lot would of seen the girls unless they had binoculars and a hawks vision.

 

[Jules71]

Maybe getting off the bike trail and heading west on Gilbert to Lake Ave is the way they knew to get to the lake. Maybe it is the way they had gone before or the way E's friends/neighbors showed her how to get there. Maybe they did go down Lake and cut thru the grassy area off Arbutus (next to the wooded area). Maybe they planned on meeting someone there who told them to park their bikes at the gate and go thru it for a boat ride. Then they walked them thru the shoreline and woods to a vehicle. Or they walked them back down the trail and thru woods or grassy area to a vehicle.

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Or... they go past the C's house and continue down Gilbert to the main entrance to the park/lake and then get on the trail from there.

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[otto]

Maybe getting off the bike trail and heading west on Gilbert to Lake Ave is the way they knew to get to the lake. Maybe it is the way they had gone before or the way E's friends/neighbors showed her how to get there. Maybe they did go down Lake and cut thru the grassy area off Arbutus (next to the wooded area). Maybe they planned on meeting someone there who told them to park their bikes at the gate and go thru it for a boat ride. Then they walked them thru the shoreline and woods to a vehicle. Or they walked them back down the trail and thru woods or grassy area to a vehicle.

It would add 7 blocks to their bike ride, and they had a time constraint - that is, they did not have permission to ride away from the house. The girls may have ridden the Evansdale Nature Trail, but in my opinion, no way did they take a 7 block detour to ride along Lake Avenue. As far as cutting through the grassy area, every single person that has posted about the area has first talked about how creepy it is. I know that children like excitement and adventure, but I doubt that 8 and 10 year old girls on BMX and mountain bikes chose the creepy area over a faster trail where they were already riding.

 

[otto]

You can get off the bike trail and go past carpenters house and then a block down turn left to the lake entrance.

I posted a map. It's 3 blocks from the trail on Gilbert, down Lake Avenue, and 3 blocks back to the trail. Why would they do that?

 

[hambirg]

If they rode the Evansdale Nature Trail from Lafayette to the SE tip of Meyers Lake, wouldn't Lake Avenue be an unusual detour? I doubt they would have ridden their bikes across the grass, given how creepy the area is to pretty much everyone.

Unless they had someone to meet down there in the corner of S. Evans. :what:

 

[cindersoot]

It would add 7 blocks to their bike ride, and they had a time constraint - that is, they did not have permission to ride away from the house. The girls may have ridden the Evansdale Nature Trail, but in my opinion, no way did they take a 7 block detour to ride along Lake Avenue. As far as cutting through the grassy area, every single person that has posted about the area has first talked about how creepy it is. I know that children like excitement and adventure, but I doubt that 8 and 10 year old girls on BMX and mountain bikes chose the creepy area over a faster trail where they were already riding.

But, Otto you don't have to cut thru any grassy part! The trails leads to the area (the gate).

 

[otto]

If the girls started from the west of the lake on the bike trail there, they would of been seen for a few seconds, then nope nada. ( from the parking lot)

That's what I thought. Other locals suggested that the trees were not that thick on the West end of the trail, so it would be possible to identify two girls riding on bikes while standing at the parking lot. There's an Island blocking the view for a good portion of the West side of the trail ... but it sounds like it's really not that easy to identify faces or age of people from one side of the lake to the other (distance of approx. 900-1400 feet).

 

[Jules71]

Maybe they often ride from E's house to bike path (via Lafayette) and then west on Gilbert past Mr C's house and turn around at the lake entrance and ride back past Mr C's house and get back on the bike path and head home. So the girls riding by Mr. C's house is along Gilbert, not Lake Ave.

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[otto]

But, Otto you don't have to cut thru any grassy part! The trails leads to the area (the gate).

Yes it does. Given that the trail leads straight to the SE tip of Meyers Lake, why include a detour along Lake Avenue. How much time would the detour add to the 9 minute trip?

 

[cindersoot]

I posted a map. It's 3 blocks from the trail on Gilbert, down Lake Avenue, and 3 blocks back to the trail. Why would they do that?

I don't know I'm not a kid, I know that if you get off the trail and go past Gilbert okay three short I might add, blocks and turn left you go down the street to the lake. On the lake the bike trail continues to the west. Either way, it's 9 maybe 10 minutes if you don't know where you are going.

 

[cindersoot]

Yes it does. Given that the trail leads straight to the SE tip of Meyers Lake, why include a detour along Lake Avenue. How much time would the detour add to the 9 minute trip?

I'm saying IF ( by carpenter seeing them) they rode past his house. What detour along Lake ave?

 

[Jules71]

Yes it does. Given that the trail leads straight to the SE tip of Meyers Lake, why include a detour along Lake Avenue. How much time would the detour add to the 9 minute trip?

Otto,
What Cinder is saying is they get off the bike path at Gilbert and continue along Gilbert to the entrance to the lake/park (parking lot). This would take them past the C's house and no backtracking.

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[otto]

I don't know I'm not a kid, I know that if you get off the trail and go past Gilbert okay three short I might add, blocks and turn left you go down the street to the lake. On the lake the bike trail continues to the west. Either way, it's 9 maybe 10 minutes if you don't know where you are going.

I see no reason for Elizabth and Lyric to detour down Lake Avenue. If they rode the Evansdale Nature Trail, then they were going there for a reason and dawdling along a street that is 7 blocks out of the way doesn't add up for me.

It's also possible that they zig-zagged from Brovan by first turning South on River Forest Road and then cutting through the back roads until they got to the Lake ... most likely entering from the West end. It seems equally possible and it addresses Abben's remark about the girls riding in the wrong direction.

 

[Jules71]

I see no reason for Elizabth and Lyric to detour down Lake Avenue. If they rode the Evansdale Nature Trail, then they were going there for a reason and dawdling along a street that is 7 blocks out of the way doesn't add up for me.

It's also possible that they zig-zagged from Brovan by first turning South on River Forest Road and then cutting through the back roads until they got to the Lake ... most likely entering from the West end. It seems equally possible and it addresses Abben's remark about the girls riding in the wrong direction.

Otto,
Scratch going down Lake Ave. Head west on Gilbert from the bike trail to the main entrance to Meyers Lake. Kids are not usually good with directions. They go the way they know. MOO.

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[otto]

Otto,
What Cinder is saying is they get off the bike path at Gilbert and continue along Gilbert to the entrance to the lake/park (parking lot). This would take them past the C's house and no backtracking.

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That is still a huge detour if they are meeting someone at the SE tip of Meyers Lake. If they're already on the nature trail, riding up Gilbert, past Lake Avenue (where they're supposedly seen by Mr C), to the parking lot and then around the West side of the lake doesn't work for me.

 

[cindersoot]

And I don't know what path they took. My theory has always been the easiest way was the bike trail. I took it today and it took me 9 minutes. I would think they took it because it goes past the skate park (which I saw) and there were kids there. They probally knew that bike path well.

 

[cindersoot]

That is still a huge detour if they are meeting someone at the SE tip of Meyers Lake. If they're already on the nature trail, riding up Gilbert, past Lake Avenue (where they're supposedly seen by Mr C), to the parking lot and then around the West side of the lake doesn't work for me.

And how do you know they didn't meet the perp at the entrance? And then go to the gate? jmo

 

[cindersoot]

Otto I get what your saying, but I bet they still could get there in less then 10 minutes.