IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #18

[nervous_nellie]

the only thing about the girls being taken at the lake seems at least to me to indicate that someone local took them and may have had somewhere close to go immediately after taking them...jmho...in the days and weeks following, who knows?

 

[hambirg]

Do you have examples in mind?

Personally, I can't think of one...

:dunno:

Each year there are about 3,000 to 5,000 non-family abductions reported to police, most of which are short term sexually-motivated cases. About 200 to 300 of these cases, or 6%, make up the most serious cases where the child was murdered, ransomed or taken with the intent to keep.

The NCMEC analyzed more than 4200 attempted abductions from February 2005 to March 2010 and found that 38% of attempted abductions occur while a child is walking alone to or from school, riding the school bus or riding a bicycle; 37% of attempted abductions occur between the hours of 2:00pm through 7:00pm on a weekday; 43% of attempted abductions involve children between the ages of 10 and 14; 72% of attempted abduction victims are female; 68% of attempted abductions involve the suspect driving a vehicle.

Research shows that of the 58,000 non-family abductions each year 63% involved a friend, long-term acquaintaince, neighbor, caretaker, baby sitter or person of authority; only 37% involved a stranger.

http://www.211ct.org/informationlibrary/Documents/Child Abduction Prevention fj.asp

 

[SapphireSteel]

Reposting this attraction, imagining that it might draw extra people on a Friday 13...
http://www.hauntedhouse.com/search/...041/Iowa/harris_haven_funeral_home_12049.html

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Harris Haven Funeral Home

Street Location:

3767 Lafayette Rd

City:

Evansdale Zip Code: 50707

Description:

"The horribleness and the awfulness will never be forgotten. Because at Harris Haven Funeral Home "we bury the competition"

Tacky...!

:what:

 

[Snowbunny]

I use to think it would be great to live in the country or small town, but not after what happened to my brother and his wife this past Christmas. My brother and his wife live about 6 miles out of Sioux Falls and had gone into town the day after Christmas shopping. When they came home they notice a car with an individual sitting in it beyond the tree lines of their property but didn't think much of it so they proceeded to open their garage door and drove the vehicle into the garage. Before getting out of the vehicle they noticed that the back door of the garage was wide open, the garage window on the backside was smashed and the door leading into the house from the garage was slightly open. My brother immediately back the vehicle out of the garage only to be confronted with two guys coming out of his front door of the house with two shotguns in hand. My brother said that he recognized the shotguns belong to my father who was deceased and he knew that there was no ammo in the house for those guns. Luckily my brother and his wife had cell phones one them. The two guys saw my brother and wife in the vehicle and immediately proceeded to go back into the house and out the patio door which was located on the back side of the house. My brother lives on a corner of this rural community and proceeded to chase after these characters in his vehicle. And yes the guy in the vehicle which was parked beyond the tree lines was the driver. Luckily for my brother and wife the police caught all three of the characters. Going into his house after this all occurred will send chills right up your spine. These guy had busted through deadbolts and destroyed the inside of the house. A lot of things go one in rural communities because there's not a lot of people around to see it happen. And yes, to the one who mentioned shady characters hanging out at campgrounds you are absolutely correct. And to think I use to love camping.

 

[otto]

Do you have examples in mind?

Personally, I can't think of one...

:dunno:

Sure do. First case that comes to mind is the well known abduction of Shawn Hornbeck.

 

[ShyViolet]

Do you have examples in mind?

Personally, I can't think of one...

:dunno:

Jacob Wetterling.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Each year there are about 3,000 to 5,000 non-family abductions reported to police, most of which are short term sexually-motivated cases. About 200 to 300 of these cases, or 6%, make up the most serious cases where the child was murdered, ransomed or taken with the intent to keep.

The NCMEC analyzed more than 4200 attempted abductions from February 2005 to March 2010 and found that 38% of attempted abductions occur while a child is walking alone to or from school, riding the school bus or riding a bicycle; 37% of attempted abductions occur between the hours of 2:00pm through 7:00pm on a weekday; 43% of attempted abductions involve children between the ages of 10 and 14; 72% of attempted abduction victims are female; 68% of attempted abductions involve the suspect driving a vehicle.

Research shows that of the 58,000 non-family abductions each year 63% involved a friend, long-term acquaintaince, neighbor, caretaker, baby sitter or person of authority; only 37% involved a stranger.

http://www.211ct.org/informationlibrary/Documents/Child Abduction Prevention fj.asp

This article relates to "attempted" abductions - one would assume they failed.

Further, it specifically states the child was ALONE.

Also, it doesn't state where the circumstances the attempted bike abductions took place - I can easily imagine a Mickey Shunick attempt where a vehicle is used to knock a child down, but that is not what has occurred here so to my mind, apples and oranges.

TWO children (ie. not alone) on bikes, OFF ROAD (no vehicle able to drive up behind/alongside them)...that is the type of abduction scenario I'm referring to. I don't believe an example exists.

This is a very peculiar abduction, no matter which way you look at it.

:cow:

 

[otto]

I agree with this, but we also can't discount that the perp could be someone who wouldn't look out of place at all. . .a worker, or a local, etc.

Evansdale looks to be a pretty sleepy town. I can't discount that and the possibility that there seem to be places that maybe simply no one saw. If it was quick and there was a weapon used, just about anything is possible. I still can't discount the idea that the girls actually went willingly to a house or something either.

There is nothing that suggests the girls went to any house. There is no evidence and no suspect related to a house. Suggesting that the girls went to a house is like suggesting they hopped on a horse. Sure there are all sorts of possibilities, but without any evidence pointing in the direction of the girls riding their bikes to some unknown house for no reason whatsoever, it seems to be in the realm of "imagine if".

 

[hambirg]

It is not really OT because it was Friday the 13th and that group was in town for the weekend. So imo, it is something to consider.

MOO. . .

I find it interesting, not because of any specifics about this particular group, but simply because of the sheer numbers it drew. That's a lot of possible men coming into the area from other places at one time.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Reposting this attraction, imagining that it might draw extra people on a Friday 13...
http://www.hauntedhouse.com/search/...041/Iowa/harris_haven_funeral_home_12049.html

"

Harris Haven Funeral Home

Street Location:

3767 Lafayette Rd

City:

Evansdale Zip Code: 50707

Description:

"The horribleness and the awfulness will never be forgotten. Because at Harris Haven Funeral Home "we bury the competition"

I'm confused - this seems to be a haunted house operating only in October??

 

[SapphireSteel]

Jacob Wetterling.

Again, apples and oranges.

Jacob Wetterling was with a friend but taken ALONE.

You could use this example if both children were taken.

:dunno:

 

[otto]

the only thing about the girls being taken at the lake seems at least to me to indicate that someone local took them and may have had somewhere close to go immediately after taking them...jmho...in the days and weeks following, who knows?

Why would we assume that the children were abducted and immediately taken somewhere close to where the bikes were found? The perp had a 3 hour head start before the bikes were found and a one week head start before it was officially declared an abduction. Common sense suggests to me that the perp wanted to get as far away from the bikes and the abduction sight as fast as possible.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Sure do. First case that comes to mind is the well known abduction of Shawn Hornbeck.

Shawn Hornbeck was ALONE.

 

[otto]

The girls were expected home.

Gramma was already cranky by 12.30.

It seems unlikely to me they would risk getting in trouble again no matter what the excuse.

:moo:

All we know is that the grandmother noticed at about 12:30 that she hadn't seen the girls in the last few minutes and that caused her some concern ... justifiably so.

 

[nikb]

Reposting this attraction, imagining that it might draw extra people on a Friday 13...
http://www.hauntedhouse.com/search/...041/Iowa/harris_haven_funeral_home_12049.html
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Description:
"The horribleness and the awfulness will never be forgotten. Because at Harris Haven Funeral Home "we bury the competition"

Eek the description alone was enough to creep me out. Not a fan of haunted houses. It's great to brainstorm! But I think we can pretty much rule that one out. I was thinking it seemed a little odd that a haunted house would be open already, so I checked it out and looks like it's not open until October: http://www.harrishaven.com/dates.html. I don't know whether they might have people in town setting it up already or something like that, but it seems pretty early.

 

[hambirg]

There is nothing that suggests the girls went to any house. There is no evidence and no suspect related to a house. Suggesting that the girls went to a house is like suggesting they hopped on a horse. Sure there are all sorts of possibilities, but without any evidence pointing in the direction of the girls riding their bikes to some unknown house for no reason whatsoever, it seems to be in the realm of "imagine if".

I suppose, but I was thinking specifically of Mr and Mrs C's interview where they said Lizzie would ride down their street and talk to people in the neighborhood.

A little overtime, but I remember when I was that age, there was an older woman that lived in our neighborhood. I don't even remember how it started, but she would make sauteed mushrooms (which I love. . lol) and I would end up in her house. . .talking and eating mushrooms often. Looking back, I don't think my parents ever knew about that. As far as they knew I was just out riding my bike.

I guess that's why I can see something like that being a possibility, but there is nothing specific suggesting anything like that happened here.

MOO

 

[SapphireSteel]

All we know is that the grandmother noticed at about 12:30 that she hadn't seen the girls in the last few minutes and that caused her some concern ... justifiably so.

Gramma didn't want them to go out at all.

She reluctantly agreed to a SHORT bike ride at 11.30.

A short bike ride in my head is a quarter of an hour, a half at most. This would also fit in with why she got concerned - she expected them back by around 12ish.

Which doesn't fit with her NOT calling them in at 12.15 when she saw them...

Mind you she did mix up her times originally so that would explain this discrepancy.

:moo:

 

[daisynae]

I appreciate your throwing out some of your good thoughts (particularly on a weekend where there are fewer people "on board" to appreciate/respond).

Personally, I haven't considered a carnival. I have, however, wondered from time to time about the nearby campground as a possible source of "shady characters". (Not because I have any knowledge of said campground or about anybody who has ever camped there, but because I have knowledge of a rural campground on a large manmade lake which became a resort area in a different state. The owner of that campground would tell me from time-to-time about government raids/arrests made at the campgrounds. Per him, he learned from various LE officers that campgrounds, all over the U.S., were "hotbeds" for fugitives from justice, etc. MOO

Campgrounds are a perfect place to hide out!

To the poster re: P.K organization,
I have read about this org. and I am aware of one member.
So many men hide behind this org.
they make out like they are the greatest thing
only they are doing joining if they are in a costody battle or sex abuse
to kids.

I am not saying all of them but I know that people hide out in all kinds of
places but we are not talking about all kinds of places we are talking about all of these men at these meetings on that date near where the girls live.
It is something to keep in mind.
Still I am more leaning toward a connection to the family in the drug world.

 

[otto]

Shawn Hornbeck was ALONE.

Children riding their bikes are abducted with and without their bikes. This is not a new crime.

 

[otto]

I suppose, but I was thinking specifically of Mr and Mrs C's interview where they said Lizzie would ride down their street and talk to people in the neighborhood.

A little overtime, but I remember when I was that age, there was an older woman that lived in our neighborhood. I don't even remember how it started, but she would make sauteed mushrooms (which I love. . lol) and I would end up in her house. . .talking and eating mushrooms often. Looking back, I don't think my parents ever knew about that. As far as they knew I was just out riding my bike.

I guess that's why I can see something like that being a possibility, but there is nothing specific suggesting anything like that happened here.

MOO

The lawn watering man described seeing a girl ride by his house "every" night. He saw that girl on his street on the day that Lyric and Elizabeth were abducted. Apparently, Elizabeth had only ridden her bike to the lake once with the neighborhood children. It could not have been Elizabeth that was seen riding along Lake Avenue as she did not ride her bike there "every" night.