IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #19

[CHERIE.T]

Weird question ... but from time to time I read that someone has puked a little in their own mouth. Just reading that is a bit nauseating. Is that like snorting coffee? Puking seems like the sort of thing one would do in private ... yet I read here about people puking, even if it is only into their own mouth prior to swallowing.

Snorting coffee seems at least half civilized.

:silly: You are so funny. :giggle:

 

[Simp]

Ok, y'all are gonna think I'm nuts, but I gotta say it anyway!!! The cup in the officer's hand appears to have green on it, not blue. I see that it is a bronze colored cup but the color within the white area looks green to me. I think everybody else thinks it looks blue so I'm gonna zip it. Maybe I also need to have my eyes checked like CN2Souls. Heehee. (I hope that was you souls that said that about having your eyes checked)

 

[otto]

How much do you guys think the enlarged image of the evidence cup looks like it is this cup?

I'd say that it looks like a perfect match. Thanks for finding the images.

 

[otto]

Ok, y'all are gonna think I'm nuts, but I gotta say it anyway!!! The cup in the officer's hand appears to have green on it, not blue. I see that it is a bronze colored cup but the color within the white area looks green to me. I think everybody else thinks it looks blue so I'm gonna zip it. Maybe I also need to have my eyes checked like CN2Souls. Heehee. (I hope that was you souls that said that about having your eyes checked)

It could just be the color setting on the computer. I think that the color on the cup in the officer's hand has turqoise and brown with some white.

 

[TxLady2]

:waitasec:


I.............a............................Didn't see any metallic dust on any of the gate in any of the pictures and..................a..........Forensic Evidence Technicians don't usually clean it up when their done.......

BUT I could be wrong..... :blushing:

Some fingerprint dust is black, but if it's gray, it would probably blend in with the color of the metal frame of the gate. Just saying.

But even if they did find a couple of good prints, what then? They can't say definitively how long those prints had been there and they need something to compare them to. Not everyone's prints are on file somewhere, but even if they were, that's a public place, anyone could have left prints on the gate. There would be no way to know if those prints came from the perp or not. Prints are left from the oil in your fingertips, and that oil takes a long time to wash away. They last for years on some objects.

 

[CN2Souls]

OK, y'all are gonna think I'm nuts, but I gotta say it anyway!!! The cup in the officer's hand appears to have green on it, not blue. I see that it is a bronze colored cup but the color within the white area looks green to me. I think everybody else thinks it looks blue so I'm gonna zip it. Maybe I also need to have my eyes checked like CN2Souls. Heehee. (I hope that was you souls that said that about having your eyes checked)

Hey........ :lol:

Yeah that was me.... some times I am as blind as a bat...

O/T..Brought A black cat into my house the other night and tried to make it lie down on my sofa while I was reading thinking it was my cat....

It tore the ______________ out of my curtains trying to get out... It wasn't mine I have a Black and white cat... :lol:

 

[CN2Souls]

Some fingerprint dust is black, but if it's gray, it would probably blend in with the color of the metal frame of the gate. Just saying.

But even if they did find a couple of good prints, what then? They can't say definitively how long those prints had been there and they need something to compare them to. Not everyone's prints are on file somewhere, but even if they were, that's a public place, anyone could have left prints on the gate. There would be no way to know if those prints came from the perp or not. Prints are left from the oil in your fingertips, and that oil takes a long time to wash away. They last for years on some objects.

Thank you TxLady2... Yeah, you are right... And just because we didn't see any doesn't mean they didn't do it...

 

[Marilynilpa]

Hey........ :lol:

Yeah that was me.... some times I am as blind as a bat...

O/T..Brought A black cat into my house the other night and tried to make it lie down on my sofa while I was reading thinking it was my cat....

It tore the ______________ out of my curtains trying to get out... It wasn't mine I have a Black and white cat... :lol:

:floorlaugh:

Reminds me of a commercial for eyeglasses, where a lady opens her door supposedly for her cat, but instead a raccoon comes waddling in. She is totally oblivious and says "let's go cuddle with momma.":what:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Ok, y'all are gonna think I'm nuts, but I gotta say it anyway!!! The cup in the officer's hand appears to have green on it, not blue. I see that it is a bronze colored cup but the color within the white area looks green to me. I think everybody else thinks it looks blue so I'm gonna zip it. Maybe I also need to have my eyes checked like CN2Souls. Heehee. (I hope that was you souls that said that about having your eyes checked)

Darnit Simp, lol Now I have to look at the pics again...

 

[CHERIE.T]

Hey........ :lol:

Yeah that was me.... some times I am as blind as a bat...

O/T..Brought A black cat into my house the other night and tried to make it lie down on my sofa while I was reading thinking it was my cat....

It tore the ______________ out of my curtains trying to get out... It wasn't mine I have a Black and white cat... :lol:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[TxLady2]

I'm thinking that it has to do with LE securing the area while they were collecting evidence if they had to leave before they were through. It would just alert that someone was walking around at night for example. I think it is LE's equipment. MOO

That's a possibility but they were not sure that it was a crime scene. They were probably just picking up things that could be evidence, just to be safe. None of the pictures look to me as if LE was treating the lake as a major crime scene, with the need to put high tech security in place. And if it HAD been a crime scene they would not have left it unguarded, the techs would stay there until they were certain they had every piece of evidence they could find. They can process a scene with a body in several hours. Very rarely does it take a whole day or night, unless it's where bones are found scattered over a large area.

 

[CN2Souls]

:waitasec:I was wonder IF Le may have had Night vision cameras at the lake once it was drained and they stated it was an abduction or at least asked the news crews for people who may have been watching or at the lake later when every one was gone.

Because maybe the Perpetrator would want to see what LE might be looking at or have as evidence against them...or if they left anything behind..

If you know what I mean...:waitasec:

 

[GrainneDhu]

I was watching the movie about catching the Green River Killer last night. A couple of things struck me. One convict that was interviewed to give information on the mind of the killer said that the killer was a hunter..loved the chase..loved the capture...and loved the kill itself. Another thing was that when the GRK himself was interviewed, he said that he considered the victims his, i.e., he viewed them as belonging to him personally. Interesting in that rape is a crime of violence not really a sexual release act...it is an act of power and control and is punitive (and it fulfills the needs of someone who lacks that to some degree in their own perception..an impulse as you will). The detective said, after he was caught, that he did not fit their original profile. Obviously, at this point, we don't know if this was a rapist or murderer. All we know is that they were "disappeared" for some reason. MOO

BBM

There were many ways in which Gary Ridgway didn't fit the profile. The FBI sure doesn't go around pointing out their failures, which are spectacular!

They've also had some spectacular successes but profiling has inherent limitations which they have not yet figured out how to get around.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I know we have discussed this before, but I'm still puzzled by why the missing poster of Lyric and Elizabeth says they were last seen riding their bikes at around 2 p.m. The poster also asks for information from anyone who saw them after 12:15.

If this poster is incorrect about the 2 p.m. time, why hasn't the poster ever been corrected?

If the poster is right, who saw them at the lake at around 2 p.m.? The guy TB talked to??

Like I said, I know this has been discussed, but I'm still wondering about it.

There could be any number of witnesses who have chosen not to come forward in the media. Which is a very sound decision, for many different reasons, not least of which is protecting a future prosecution.

Just to throw in a monkey wrench... what if the 2 pm witness was not at Meyer's Lake but was at, say, the Casey's near Meyer's Lake? That would suggest the girls were bicycling around town at least part of the time they were missing. And would go a long way to explaining why Grandma Cook missed them when she was searching for them (finding a moving target is way harder than finding a stationary one, which is why children are told to hug a tree if they are lost).

I can see how both times could be correct. If the two girls were last seen by a witness at 2 pm, then what the heck were they doing between 12:15 pm and 2 pm?

Whatever it was they were doing may have included the perp for part or all of that time.

 

[TxLady2]

:floorlaugh:

Reminds me of a commercial for eyeglasses, where a lady opens her door supposedly for her cat, but instead a raccoon comes waddling in. She is totally oblivious and says "let's go cuddle with momma.":what:

And that raccoon makes himself right at home, don't he!!

We used to put dry cat food out on our porch for a stray cat that was hanging around in our yard, and one night I looked out and saw a raccoon eating out of the bowl. I tried to take some pictures, but they didn't come out too good.

 

[TxLady2]

BBM

There were many ways in which Gary Ridgway didn't fit the profile. The FBI sure doesn't go around pointing out their failures, which are spectacular!

They've also had some spectacular successes but profiling has inherent limitations which they have not yet figured out how to get around.

Well, like I said awhile back, I think it would be a little hard to profile a kidnapper when it was in such a public place and there has been no crime scene found. He could have taken them from anyplace.

FBI profilers are highly trained, but everyone makes mistakes, and once in a while a perp will suddenly change their MO. Profilers are mostly good for serial killers, and terrorist plots. Missing kids.... not so much.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Does anyone think if LE tested the cup and had an id that an arrest would be made by now?

 

[Sunlight]

That's a possibility but they were not sure that it was a crime scene. They were probably just picking up things that could be evidence, just to be safe. None of the pictures look to me as if LE was treating the lake as a major crime scene, with the need to put high tech security in place. And if it HAD been a crime scene they would not have left it unguarded, the techs would stay there until they were certain they had every piece of evidence they could find. They can process a scene with a body in several hours. Very rarely does it take a whole day or night, unless it's where bones are found scattered over a large area.

Maybe. What do you think those black things with antennae are in the officer's hands?

 

[Sunlight]

Does anyone think if LE tested the cup and had an id that an arrest would be made by now?

Nope. I don't think they will make an arrest, if they ever do id someone, until they have enough conclusive evidence that the person would most likely be convicted. I do think they will watch someone though. They need a lot more evidence than something from a coffee cup, but it could point toward someone perhaps.

 

[GrainneDhu]

That is so weird to me! A guy who rides that trail all the time couldn't remember exactly where he almost ran over the bikes? Or, are we just not hearing that he gave them the exact location? I can't believe he would not know where it was. So, there is a chance that the girls (or someone) may have moved their bikes after he saw them?

I think it is the latter: we haven't heard the precise location rather than that he could not identify it.

I'm betting LE knows whether or not the bicycles were shifted in position from when TG saw them to when they were found. And they'd be very, very interested in talking to anyone who had the correct answer to the question.