IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #22

[tlcya]

Deer, feral hogs, and other animals bed down in high grass. I researched the feral hog population in Iowa and they seem to be plentiful. They frequent river banks, corn fields, and deserted camping areas foraging for food.. Hogs travel in packs, have an excellent sense of smell, and will excavate the contents of a shallow grave over time.

Most times there are deer/animal trails that run parallel on both sides of rivers & creeks.

Pigs will happily eat a live human, let alone a dead one.

It really does sound as if they've not been there long at all. Not 45 days, anyway. :moo:

I hadnt even consdered feral hogs into the eqaution. I didnt realize they were such a problem in Iowa.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6121183_feral-hog-hunting-iowa.html

As big as the problem sounds and as indiscriminate as they are in their feeding habits, this info confuses the issue even more in my mind.

I would think, if the girls bodies had been there all these months, the hogs would have gotten to them. Especially in a wildlife area that DNR has not kept up as well in recent years as back in the day.

But if there had been that sort of aggressive predation I would expect scattered skeletonized remains and not "bodies" per se.

Curiouser and curiouser.

I am beginning to give the idea that girls have not been out there all this time more weight.

 

[georger]

Let's hope that the perp(s) made a million mistakes and it is on or around the girls.
I want to see these heartless cowards in jail.........death penalty would apply for me.

agree totally.

 

[dadgum]

ticox..we have feral hogs here in NC, and they are MEAN! Ad to that coyotes, badgers..bobcats.. The Iowa State link I posted above has a pretty good listing of local wildlife.

 

[georger]

They already have made a mistake, a big one in my opinion...the girls were found.

I doubt that was meant to happen, this quickly at least.

:moo:

Sorry but in this State with as many hunters, hikers, etc as there are -
you would have to be braindead to take bodies to this location knowing
they would be found perhaps even within hours. The ONLY person who
would think otherswise would be someone very familiar with this location
knowing this particular spot was NOT being visited very often ... but
sooner or later these bodies would be found - GUANARTEED AT THIS
LOCATION! The distance between the bodies says something, not sure
what. COD may tell the whole story here. Shot? Died of exposure? Bound?
tied? But whoever took these girls there risked being seen coming and
going!! Sure its remote but not that remote. Locals living in an area notice
things... whoever did this isnt very friggin smart! Took risks getting to
and out of this location. If this was recent may even some footprints!

We need a COD and timeline.

Hoped he left some gum wrappers and cigarette butts! Thats why they
are searching the sides of the roadway in ...

This place is just TOOOO public - the kind of place somebody has to know of or have visited
before ... cant just wander to a place like this and you risk being seen ... might as well have
dumped the girls alongside some roadway. I think this place connects to a known person
who has been there before!

 

[tlcya]

ticox..we have feral hogs here in NC, and they are MEAN! Ad to that coyotes, badgers..bobcats.. The Iowa State link I posted above has a pretty good listing of local wildlife.

Thanks, dadgum. Like I said, I really dont know what to believe at this point. Yesterday I felt pretty sure about my theories.

I am less and less sure today.

:shakehead:

 

[tlcya]

Now that I am stuck in a position where I am wondering if the girls were alive til recently, my mind jumps to the trailer park full of RSOs, strange guys in campers, and dare I say it trafficking, etc.

What seemed so far fetched before to me now seems, I don't know, more "explorable"?

I wish we at least knew TOD.

This is really going to bug me.

 

[georger]

After looking at the aerial view of the pictures, I am wondering if the girls were alive and walked into this location by the perp and then one of them realized something very bad was about to happen and tried to make a getaway, the reason for the bodies being found several feet apart.

RIP dear little girls.

Just imo.

That is exactly what I am wondering! Were relesed there or close by ????

I cant believe this place isnt visited regularly by someone - maybe the
perp was camped there with them?

This place is off the map but also just too public, known by locals, the
kind of place one goes to not wanders into ...

Its very hard for me to believe somebody wasnt seen coming and going
from this known untended area.

 

[Dr. Know?]

There's farmland on each side of the road leading back to 7 Bridges. Were workers brought in to farm that land? Did they see anyone coming and going while there?

I just thought to add them to the hunters & people fishing there who might remember something.

jmo

 

[georger]

I don't know. I hope they've interviewed anyone who worked at any of the parks in the area.

Here's one internship program that is currently going on at the Iowa DNR:
http://www.iowadnr.gov/portals/idnr/uploads/waste/p2internfctsht.pdf

And here's their website:
http://www.iowadnr.gov/idnr/IDNRSearchResults.aspx?q=jobs

Park employees could also be just county employees, depending on the job and the park:
http://www.co.bremer.ia.us/conservation-board/default.aspx

Any pedos working for the park system there ?
Or druggo working for them and had prior relations with that family working in probation for
the County ... who has a record?

This is either a random very unusual act, or its someone VERY SPECIFIC! WHO KNOWS THIS AREA ...

 

[marie-chantal]

Any pedos working for the park system there ?
Or druggo working for them and had prior relations with that family working in probation for
the County ... who has a record?

This is either a random very unusual act, or its someone VERY SPECIFIC! WHO KNOWS THIS AREA ...

That's a good question. I have no idea, but I'm sure it's possible. I posed a question earlier about prison/jail/community service work details working in the area. Someone in one of these groups may have seen the area, liked the layout and the remoteness of the area and decided to go back there.

 

[georger]

i wonder if this man is also responsible for the dead man found under a bridge today???

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/cedar-rapids-police-investigate-suspicious-death-182660221.html

link doesnt connect to thatstory -

 

[georger]

I linked a scientific paper that states that bone scatter is directly proportionate to the length of time the body has been exposed.

As they were referring to "bodies" not "remains" in this case, it is inferred the girls were intact...which in turn, infers they had not been there long. I'm wondering if they've been there 45 days

http://library-resources.cqu.edu.au/...S351900103.pdf

what "bone scatter"? What bones? You have a crime scene description
now? post the link pse. Thanks.

 

[georger]

Pigs will happily eat a live human, let alone a dead one.

It really does sound as if they've not been there long at all. Not 45 days, anyway. :moo:

Feral Pigs there? Pse provide links to these revelations.

 

[georger]

That's a good question. I have no idea, but I'm sure it's possible. I posed a question earlier about prison/jail/community service work details working in the area. Someone in one of these groups may have seen the area, liked the layout and the remoteness of the area and decided to go back there.

someone had reason to be at the Lake in Evansdale and now at this
untended County park ... there is a possible link ... park employee or park
worker ... also seems time spoecific from time of abdunction to recent
body deposit (links with a county work period or county program
period?). The perp knew of the body location. Few migrants would
stumble onto a place like that - somebody knew it existed -

Starts at the Lake in Evanasdale and ends at this specific untended park. Somebody knows
these places and has a reason to be there during the critical time periods ...

 

[peeples]

Lawmakers to submit bill to reinstate death penalty in Iowa

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_91a89442-417e-11e2-9a8b-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[Marilynilpa]

Wow, I was away for a few hours and now we're discussing feral pigs/hogs?? What a lot of fertile minds we have here on WS.

Regarding refrigeration, that comment was made by someone with supposed "inside sources" on a show that capitalizes on sensationalism, IMO.

LE has said nothing to indicate animal predation, refrigeration, or anything else. So I'm going to hold off on any off-the-wall speculation until there's a little more to go on. JMO

It will be interesting to see if the stuff we are talking about today has any bearing on what really happened.

All I hope is that there was enough evidence left behind to lead to the killer(s).

 

[Adair88]

Feral Pigs there? Pse provide links to these revelations.

There are no ferel pigs in Iowa as far as I know.

ETA: OK, I missed the link about the ferel pigs in Iowa. I have lived in Bremer County for 25 years, and now Waterloo, and have never once seen a ferel pig or heard anything about them being HERE (NE Iowa) at least!

 

[tlcya]

what "bone scatter"? What bones? You have a crime scene description
now? post the link pse. Thanks.

Feral Pigs there? Pse provide links to these revelations.

Sapphire is speculating, as are we all in the absence of any actual facts.

As to feral pig presence in Iowa, I linked some info a page or so back.

No one is stating anything as fact here. We have none. Speculation is alllowed as long as we are clear about it by using

I Think

My own opinion

I feel

I believe

This (or that) suggests (or indicates) to me

Etc

 

[SapphireSteel]

Wow...go for a walk down the shops and this happens.

Still, at least I have my coffee now.

 

[georger]

Wow, I was away for a few hours and now we're discussing feral pigs/hogs?? What a lot of fertile minds we have here on WS.

Regarding refrigeration, that comment was made by someone with supposed "inside sources" on a show that capitalizes on sensationalism, IMO.

LE has said nothing to indicate animal predation, refrigeration, or anything else. So I'm going to hold of on any off-the-wall speculation until there's a little more to go on. JMO

It will be interesting to see if the stuff we are talking about today has any bearing on what really happened.

All I hope is that there was enough evidence left behind to lead to the killer(s).

Im 90 miles south and dont know this area at all but, from reports here at
WS and with Google maps, there are few roads in and out of this
untended park, with farms on both sides. The only way in or out without
being seen would have to be under the over of darkness, and then its a
walk from the road to the body locations .. this selects for somebody who
knew this area and perhaps knew there were no campers there on the
day/night the girls get deposited there ... someone familiar with this area.
A purposeful event vs random probability .. someone with prior knowledge
of this area spefifically. (otherwise just dump the girls on any road at
night if they are deceased and be gone).