IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #3

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #161
  • #162
I found at least 3 guys on Lyric's friends list that I would look at closer.

http://www.facebook.com/lyric.morrissey?sk=friends&v=friends&ft_ref=fbsa

Felons...

Recently released from jail...

Recent divorce/death/traumatic event...

I hope that they have looked at all the people they can connect to these girls.
Even if they aren't immediate family... (I'm not counting her Dad, FYI.)
 
  • #163
Thanks for the pictures!!

I have a question for anyone that knows, when they say they have checked RSO what exactly does that mean does that mean they searched their homes thier cars thier alibis or do they just say have you seen these girls and if they say no LE's like have a nice day? I am wondering because I have heard this in several missing persons case and cant see them getting search warrants on every SO in the area so how is they determine they are not involved?
 
  • #164
Fourth is just a zoom on that jetty. You can hear the pump running very well. From what I understand, the bikes would have been found somewhere within a few feet of directly behind that little tractor, on the trail. We are facing southeast, so the "spooky" part starts right there, and continues for maybe 30-ish steps to the left of this pic. You can see where the lake just begins to curve away from the trail, as there is a tree between the lake and the fence on the left. It gets pretty dark behind there.

I don't see how they can park the bikes on the remotest place around the lake. Even still it was made to believe that they went for a swim. The lake does look deep for these kids around those places.

Was this the same place that the bicyclist at 12:20/27pm had to swerve?
i380.png
 
  • #165
  • #166
Okay, left the parking lot. It was very congested, so I didn't get pics of the exit, but essentially, we drive north away from the lake for one block, with that big sign in my rear-view, to Gilbert Ave. Turn right and travel, I believe, two blocks to Evans. On that northeast corner is the Evansdale Community Response Center, housing the police and fire stations (I don't know which street its technically on, but the address is 911, which I've always thought was cool.) We turn right on Evans, and follow that back to Arbutus, I parked just past where the streets meet (Evans more or less becomes Arbutus, there is no discernible intersection).

From there we could see down the "grassy area," where there were several LE and vehicles parked.

First pic is from essentially the eastern edge of the wooded area, with the pump/lift house just behind me, looking east. The trail crosses Arbutus down about one block, as evidenced by the Bike Crossing sign. The street ends at a dike. There are no houses between us and that crossing, despite the mailboxes which belong to the houses across the street. You can sort of make out the driveway to the weird lone garage here, and the hint of a foundation of what I assume will be a house someday to go along with that garage. Why I didn't get that in the pic is beyond me. Sort of nervous with all those LE watchin me snap photos, tho.

Second pic I turned to the south, showing the edge of the woods, and the trail as it emerges from them. The truck is LE, and that is the back of a police cruiser parked directly on the trail, which is taped off at that location. Nancy Grace had a good shot of the trail from that spot. Also, this is where the family says they parked their cars when they heard the bikes had been found here, I believe, and has led some to believe it is a "grassy parking area." The first thing that stood out was all the tire tracks, which I've never seen there before, much less a vehicle parked there. When I started snappin pics, LE began to get in vehicles and leave the area quickly. I doubt it was because of me, just odd timing.
 

Attachments

  • ibpzHdx1NhU3Lv.jpg
    ibpzHdx1NhU3Lv.jpg
    44.5 KB · Views: 125
  • ibu0HWOUpIu5AN.jpg
    ibu0HWOUpIu5AN.jpg
    47.3 KB · Views: 123
  • #167
  • #168
I found at least 3 guys on Lyric's friends list that I would look at closer.

http://www.facebook.com/lyric.morrissey?sk=friends&v=friends&ft_ref=fbsa

Felons...

Recently released from jail...

Recent divorce/death/traumatic event...

I hope that they have looked at all the people they can connect to these girls.
Even if they aren't immediate family... (I'm not counting her Dad, FYI.)
Personally I don't think children should be on fb or any other social network. Wondering......
Are the teens and adults on the friends list relatives, cousins, neighbors , church friends?
 
  • #169
I don't see how they can park the bikes on the remotest place around the lake. Even still it was made to believe that they went for a swim. The lake does look deep for these kids around those places.

Was this the same place that the bicyclist at 12:20/27pm had to swerve?
View attachment 24625

Probably actually just off the right of that photo. You can see the tops of both fences, but in that pic we are standing probably a few feet west of the gate/jetty, and looking west. If the pic were taken facing the other direction, you may not see the trail or fences at all, and that is the likely location. But yes, in general, this is the spot.
 
  • #170
First pic is the pump house, facing south, from Arbutus. Almost directly behind it, about 75 yards, would be where I'm believing the purse was found, and few feet farther, over the fence, the bikes. From where I'm standing here, I can hear the pump on the jetty loud and clear.

Second pic shows that the drive just ends right there. The woods are fairly dense, but not so much that you can't see the clear sky above the highway just behind them. It doesn't give the illusion of "deep, dark woods."

Third pic is the westernmost edge of the pump house driveway. In the middle of the pic, what looks like a lone-standing bush, is actually just an extension of the undergrowth around the pump house. The path on the right is the mystery path that I had assumed was labeled as a road on the Bing maps. I am standing in the best spot to see it, as from the driveway and/or the street it is really very well obscured.
 

Attachments

  • ibg6gOJZcuq0RS.jpg
    ibg6gOJZcuq0RS.jpg
    111.2 KB · Views: 118
  • i10rubeozihoj.jpg
    i10rubeozihoj.jpg
    119.8 KB · Views: 114
  • iiDxwPZIgpUQ5.jpg
    iiDxwPZIgpUQ5.jpg
    96.9 KB · Views: 109
  • #171
Thank you so much Ollie, for these great pix. It is really helping us get an idea of how things were laid out.

My question is this: how do you think a perp could have taken the girls from the area where their bikes were found?

Could they have walked them away to a home nearby?

Or do you think they were taken to a car? The parking lot looks kind of close by, but it seems like it would be so risky to be seen there.
 
  • #172
How close to where the bikes were found could a vehicle actually get? Pondering the possibility of a perp driving up, startling and ordering the girls into a vehicle.

Did searchers look in the pump house?
 
  • #173
The truck is LE, and that is the back of a police cruiser parked directly on the trail, which is taped off at that location. Nancy Grace had a good shot of the trail from that spot. Also, this is where the family says they parked their cars when they heard the bikes had been found here, I believe, and has led some to believe it is a "grassy parking area." The first thing that stood out was all the tire tracks, which I've never seen there before, much less a vehicle parked there. When I started snappin pics, LE began to get in vehicles and leave the area quickly. I doubt it was because of me, just odd timing.

Does this piece of land-property belong to someone? If not, I guess nobody questions anyone who parks their vehicles there and it might be an accepted way. So if it was an abduction at this place by a vehicle parked here, that person is local or knows the area well (utility people- electric/gas/telephone). Most likely waiting in the disguise of having lunch and probably known to the girls.

Edit: As you said it was a pump house, now utility van would really blend in without raising a doubt. No wonder, that place is used as a parking.
 
  • #174
First pic is the pump house, facing south, from Arbutus. Almost directly behind it, about 75 yards, would be where I'm believing the purse was found, and few feet farther, over the fence, the bikes. From where I'm standing here, I can hear the pump on the jetty loud and clear.

Second pic shows that the drive just ends right there. The woods are fairly dense, but not so much that you can't see the clear sky above the highway just behind them. It doesn't give the illusion of "deep, dark woods."

Third pic is the westernmost edge of the pump house driveway. In the middle of the pic, what looks like a lone-standing bush, is actually just an extension of the undergrowth around the pump house. The path on the right is the mystery path that I had assumed was labeled as a road on the Bing maps. I am standing in the best spot to see it, as from the driveway and/or the street it is really very well obscured.

Thx for the pix, your narration and your time! This night owl "gets" it all now!
 
  • #175
The police have every reason to question and every angle to analyze if he has a bad circle of friends.

I totally agree and I can't really say much more than you already have. So thanks for laying that out there.
 
  • #176
First pic is standing on the west side of the pump house, looking back towards the spot where the bikes were found. Pump on that jetty is very loud here. You can tell someone has cut this back recently, maybe this past spring, as there are cut branches and trees here. I remember this driveway as being almost completely hidden, so I believe this has all been cleared away, probably when they drained the lake in the last couple years. I believe you can barely make out a vehicle parked on the trail, to the right, which would be right near the jetty. We are also probably due north of where the fence ends on the lake side of the trail.

Second pic, a couple steps right of the last, facing southwest, shows the tire tracks. They are barely visible in this pic. They are not worn tracks, more like crushed undergrowth indicating a vehicle had very recently driven back there. The almost purplish flower would be directly between the tracks. I had to look twice to see them, but they became very obvious once I noticed them, and they went back deep towards the lake/fence. I didn't follow them, as it was obvious LE didn't want ppl back there, and there were several of them in my immediate vicinity.
 

Attachments

  • iys5SWGyd5291.jpg
    iys5SWGyd5291.jpg
    101.7 KB · Views: 168
  • iGKW5oBMKHsDi.jpg
    iGKW5oBMKHsDi.jpg
    111.6 KB · Views: 183
  • #177
All those trees.....an easy place for someone to possibly hide.
IMO
 
  • #178
I mentioned earlier, but forgot in the above post, that I called those tracks in to the tipline, despite first assuming they belonged to LE or searchers. After getting home and remembering seeing LE vehicles parked in grass and easy-access spots, I realized that maybe that had been missed, even by ppl walking along the lake, or ppl walking thru the woods that might miss them by crossing perpendicular over them. Seeing them from this angle, it was obvious they were parallel, fresh tire tracks.
 
  • #179
First pic is standing on the west side of the pump house, looking back towards the spot where the bikes were found. Pump on that jetty is very loud here. You can tell someone has cut this back recently, maybe this past spring, as there are cut branches and trees here. I remember this driveway as being almost completely hidden, so I believe this has all been cleared away, probably when they drained the lake in the last couple years. I believe you can barely make out a vehicle parked on the trail, to the right, which would be right near the jetty. We are also probably due north of where the fence ends on the lake side of the trail.

Second pic, a couple steps right of the last, facing southwest, shows the tire tracks. They are barely visible in this pic. They are not worn tracks, more like crushed undergrowth indicating a vehicle had very recently driven back there. The almost purplish flower would be directly between the tracks. I had to look twice to see them, but they became very obvious once I noticed them, and they went back deep towards the lake/fence. I didn't follow them, as it was obvious LE didn't want ppl back there, and there were several of them in my immediate vicinity.
Could that be a spot where a vehicle could have backed up to turn around?
 
  • #180
First pic is the path I'd never seen before, and was curious enough about to return to investigate. Despite what you see on Bing, there is no road thru these woods, no lane, no easy vehicle passage. This path is far too narrow, and the other spot with tire tracks too rough for, say, my Jetta. Maybe a Gator, maybe some big ol' mudder truck, but definitely not any road I would put on a map.

Second pic is after walking maybe 20 steps down that path. The pump on the jetty is very loud from here. It opens into a neighboring yard. This house is along the same side and shore of the lake as the one from the park with the deer in it, just at the very southeast corner. This would be the closest home to where the bikes/purse were found. In the distance is the lake, and the island, not quite the park off to the right. The jetty would be just out of view to the left.

So in the third pic, I just turned to face the noise, held the camera up, and took a pic of what you could see of that tractor out on the jetty. This pic indicates how deep the woods are. You can almost see all the way through at any point. Dark, dense, but not too much. Also, any screaming would easily be heard from Arbutus, as that pump sounded very close, especially bouncing off the lake.
 

Attachments

  • iMQX4rjDPtcNA.jpg
    iMQX4rjDPtcNA.jpg
    88 KB · Views: 173
  • iS6jsMKBSqOFY.jpg
    iS6jsMKBSqOFY.jpg
    128.8 KB · Views: 167
  • ie8Rpa4WAQHit.jpg
    ie8Rpa4WAQHit.jpg
    77.2 KB · Views: 173
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
70
Guests online
2,527
Total visitors
2,597

Forum statistics

Threads
632,099
Messages
18,621,976
Members
243,019
Latest member
22kimba22
Back
Top