IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[nikb]

1 man said that he moved them off the path because he almost ran into them when riding his bike. LE saw them against the fence when he arrived.

Do you know where that was released/posted? It made sense to me that he might move them off the trail after nearly crashing into them (if it was the same guy), but I never saw anything saying he did.

 

[nursebeeme]

mrsu there was an article posted upstream that said the witness had to swerve to miss them


yesterday at the presser LE spokesperson said they were up against the fence when he got there


today on the live chat the reporter clarified that at 4pm the bikes were found by fire personnel..

(not sure how they were found by them)

in between anything could have happened with the position of the bikes... I bet not much... I personally think what happened happened fast... like right away

moo

 

[GrainneDhu]

yes grandma was watching other children and could very easily been distracted on hr time. I trust grandma also, just not sure of her time.
Why would parents lie about her running away?
Yes hinky because that is the first thing I would say, if my child had tried to run away before.
Now WHY did she run away? and why would a 10 year old want to run away?
To whom would she run to? a boyfriend? why would they hide that fact?
Is there more to that story and that is why they think she was abducted?
Poor little Elizabeth, where does she fit in all this?

BBM

I'm not sure that the parents were lying about Lyric never running away before.

As the grandmother described it, Lyric had been in a fuss with her father over doing chores, went to her room, came out with a backpack or suitcase (can't remember which), and marched right by Grandma. So close that she was literally within arm's reach. So Grandma reached out, gave her a kiss and told her it would be okay.

To me, that wasn't running away. I would call that a threat, which is not the same thing as the actual act. If she really meant to get out of the house, why would she walk close enough to her grandmother to be stopped?

I think it's fairly common for children to make such a threat at some point or another. Most of the time, it's due to a feeling of frustration and an inability to communicate in any other way just how big that frustrated feeling is.

So I'm not sure the parents were lying. She didn't actually run away, she made a threat to do so but if she never even made it as far as the door, did she really do it? I don't see it that way.

 

[Pensfan]

They were advised by an attorney on Wednesday to stop talking with the press, discontinue television interviews and to stop taking polygraph tests, Brousseau said Thursday, though she said she's not aware that either had failed a test.

Misty Morrissey, 34, pleaded guilty in 2003 in federal court to conspiracy to manufacture and distribute methamphetamine, court documents show, and also has theft and alcohol violations in state court. Last September, she also had her probation revoked for violating terms of her probation, including use of illegal drugs, excessive use of alcohol and failure to comply with drug tests - and is now on supervised release.

Court records show that Elizabeth's father, 40-year-old Drew Collins, has been convicted of fifth-degree theft.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/19066697/family-of-missing-iowa-cousins-consults-attorney

 

[nursebeeme]

Although the Collinses do not believe Daniel Morrissey was involved in the girls’ disappearance, they want to distinguish themselves from their family members, said Wrabek, who noted that Lyric and her 16-year-old brother, Dillin, lived with the Collinses for several years while Misty Morrissey was incarcerated.
“The lawyer for the family does not represent Heather and Drew,” Wrabek said. “You have to check every single lead and every single avenue no matter what, and that’s why Heather and Drew have cooperated 100%. They’re obviously not happy about Misty and Dan because if they’re not cooperating then the focus is turned away from finding the girls.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-missing-iowa-cousins-20120719,0,6047738.story

this just keeps getting more convoluted. So the other family faction (I use that term because from this it seems they have separated themselves) now also has an atty?

 

[Pensfan]

this just keeps getting more convoluted. So the other family faction (I use that term because from this it seems they have separated themselves) now also has an atty?

Only the Morrisseys have an attorney. Wrabek is a family friend, not an attorney.

 

[Mjskit]

I have read almost every post ( on page 27 now) and no one has asked about Elizabeths' parents. I know her mom is ill and her dad has a business. I have not seen either of them do a media interview. It is almost like people forget there are 2 girls missing.
This occurred in Elizabeths' home town. People knew her, not Lyric. Someone could have stalked Elizabeth. Did daddy ever take Elizabeth with him when he was working? Did mommy ever take Elizabeth with her to her doctors appointments or shopping? Did Elizabeth only ride bikes or only play outside Lyric was there?
To me it is like Lyrics parents and Aunt talk so much to protect Elizabeths' parents from the media? Her mother has a bad heart so I can understand but what about her father?

 

[MissSunshine]

I am sorry if this has been asked already but when was the last time somebody besides family has said that they seen the girls? What time did they leave to go ride their bikes?

I would think it a town that small somebody that knew them would have seen them at some point that day.

 

[mrsu]

Although the Collinses do not believe Daniel Morrissey was involved in the girls’ disappearance, they want to distinguish themselves from their family members, said Wrabek, who noted that Lyric and her 16-year-old brother, Dillin, lived with the Collinses for several years while Misty Morrissey was incarcerated.
“The lawyer for the family does not represent Heather and Drew,” Wrabek said. “You have to check every single lead and every single avenue no matter what, and that’s why Heather and Drew have cooperated 100%. They’re obviously not happy about Misty and Dan because if they’re not cooperating then the focus is turned away from finding the girls.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-missing-iowa-cousins-20120719,0,6047738.story

WOW :what:

 

[callyn]

Yes tigger, they lied ..but why? :waitasec: that lie means 'something'.

Lyric did not actually run away. She packed a bag but never left.

 

[liltexans]

I am sorry if this has been asked already but when was the last time somebody besides family has said that they seen the girls? What time did they leave to go ride their bikes?

I would think it a town that small somebody that knew them would have seen them at some point that day.

Welcome to WS!

:welcome:

 

[Mjskit]

so far IIRC the bikes were processed but no info released.
Different stories on how bikes were found.
1 man said that he moved them off the path because he almost ran into them when riding his bike. LE saw them against the fence when he arrived.

I don't remember that. A man swerved to miss the nikes because they were on the trail. Do you have a link? That would be very important. TIA

 

[mrsu]

mrsu there was an article posted upstream that said the witness had to swerve to miss them


yesterday at the presser LE spokesperson said they were up against the fence when he got there


today on the live chat the reporter clarified that at 4pm the bikes were found by fire personnel..

(not sure how they were found by them)

in between anything could have happened with the position of the bikes... I bet not much... I personally think what happened happened fast... like right away

moo

Right. But the biker never said HE moved them. That's what was said upthread, just making sure I didn't miss something since I actually had to get some stuff done around the house today. :what:

 

[Flutterflies]

Grandma said Lyric dropped her back pack and she hugged her and said everything will be OK - maybe Grandma never told Misty and Dan about this potential run away scene - if they did not know about this event then they would not be lying. Lyric did not runaway.

Yes tigger, they lied ..but why? :waitasec: that lie means 'something'.

Originally Posted by trigger
I trust Grandma. I think she just got confused with the time. So lets say she last seen them at 1130. Witness saw the bikes at lake at 1230. It gave DM plenty of time to (if he is involved)..and then get home and take a nap. For both parents to lie and say Lyric would not run away when in fact she did, suitcase and all, made my hinky go up.
JMO

 

[Claudia]

Same here! I think I mentioned it before but I "ran away" numerous times when I was 8-10 years old for completely silly reasons. My brother did the same. And we had a good home life, nothing to really "run away" from. We sure felt like rebels when we sat behind bushes in the vacant lot/kinda-sorta-park up the street. Not like I ask every person this question but I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't "run away" at least once or twice as kids. Whenever I've brought it up people start laughing and sharing the times they "ran away."

If the girls did in fact run away I think something went terribly wrong for them not to be back by now, though. At that age and in the heat that's been reported out there, I don't think their "escape" would've lasted more than a few hours.

O/T.... My son, who will be 17 in less than a month, has never run away or even threatened to. But that's just because he has the most amazing mother in the world that he loves more than life and would never want to leave me. :floorlaugh:

Really it's because he's my only one & I spoiled him rotten to the core and he got & did whatever he wanted!!! :blushing:

 

[GrainneDhu]

And Heather doesn't know what they were wearing either? Or the other siblings? Or Grandma? Or Misty?

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I have no idea but the answer is "apparently not."

Misty has already said that the last time she saw Lyric, Lyric was wearing a bright green Tshirt as a pajama top. Misty wasn't sure if Lyric changed out of it because sometimes she would wear her pajama top all day, sometimes she would change into something else.

I don't know why any of the others have not been able to state what the two girls were wearing.

 

[StacyMarie83]

IMO If Aunt Tammy wasn't out there babbling on people would be asking 'what's she hiding' and 'she's probably covering up for MM' and on and on. No one is EVER happy with ANY parent or family member in ANY case JMO I may be new to WS, but I'm not new to crime, kidnapping (parental or not), etc

While I see the point of people getting upset at DM for walking out and them taking time off----WHERE IS EC'S DAD?! Where are his tv interviews? EC's mom was running errands....she had the MOST opportunity to pick the girls up w/o anyone noticing IMO I do NOT think she was involved (or any of the parents DIRECTLY). Of course, you have to check out MM/DM friends b/c of drug rings, but that doesn't mean they are not giving all they have to give IMO They've done this to other parents who were innocent.

No matter what, if these girls are not in the lake they were kidnapped by someone and that should be the main focus. If I was MM/DM and innocent, I'd be pissed, tired, wanting to know info---which they obviously aren't getting (b/c apparently there is nothing to give). Their daughter is missing and they have NO leads except that lake. If they are not in that lake the chances of them being alive are slim anyway. Sad but true. I'd be checking every sex offenders house, basement, crawlspace, backyard, attics, etc etc.....and more than once.

 

[BethInAK]

What motive and opportunity did DM have?
I do not see how or why he could have or would have.

 

[Kamille]

I have no idea but the answer is "apparently not."

Misty has already said that the last time she saw Lyric, Lyric was wearing a bright green Tshirt as a pajama top. Misty wasn't sure if Lyric changed out of it because sometimes she would wear her pajama top all day, sometimes she would change into something else.

I don't know why any of the others have not been able to state what the two girls were wearing.

Well this clothing thing is always baffling to me. If she changed out of the green shirt then it would be at the house. If it's not at the house then that must be what she's wearing. How difficult is that?

And how many pairs of pants/shorts or capri's do these girls have that no one can determine what clothing is missing. Was Heather at home when her daughter got dressed that day?

No wonder LE are baffled. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Pensfan]

Right. But the biker never said HE moved them. That's what was said upthread, just making sure I didn't miss something since I actually had to get some stuff done around the house today. :what:

I thought sister Tammy said the bikes were found leaning up against a fence when LE arrived. (A reporter on live chat said the bikes were found by fire personnel.) If they were on the path and found against the fence, someone moved them.