IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[oceanblueeyes]

The drugs might matter, only because of the people drug users have contact with.

I just see the kidnapping of the two girls done with a sexual intent in mind. I just dont feel it has a drug connection.

With this town only having around 5,000 people in it from what I have read most likely if the predator is ever caught it will be someone known to the families. Maybe not known well or even known to them because of their drug history but they may have known them casually. Someone that knew the little girls road their bikes together in the summertime.

I think this was a crime of opportunity and that also leaves open anyone that may have been passing through town at the time that no one knows or maybe doesnt live there but has family or works there.

IMO

 

[brighidin]

Many people don't show their emotions and keep a stiff upper lip. They cry in private and then pull it together for the public. That happened with the baby that was taken by the Dingo - the mother wasn't emotional and this hurt her and she was sent to prison for something she did not do - people didn't like her stoic approach to the trial or the loss of her child - and she said she refused to cry for the public - it was private.

Yes, and then there was Susan Smith who cried and blubbered on national TV when she was the one that killed her babies.

 

[brighidin]

Yes that makes sense. Known bad people lurking about and trying to turn a quick buck. Contacts too, they know people who know people. But how many of these would put children in a lake, kill them? I wonder what the statistics are on this type of thing?

There was a case here last year (?) where a young mother was involved in drugs or got caught up with drug dealers. She was killed and her body put in a lake, but the killers left her car running and her baby inside it.

I'm sure someone will know what case I'm referring to and correct me on the details, but I would guess (not sure, just MOO) that taking someone's child happens rarely. Very rarely. I believe gitana 1 posted about this yesterday and had links to a few examples.

 

[Ollipop]

Seeing lots of talk about MCM and DM's recent meth usage. As someone who's lived here a while, works with intoxicated ppl, and is roughly familiar with what meth users tend to look like, I gotta say that MCM doesn't look to me like she's been doing meth recently, likely has had to undergo several regular drug tests, etc, since she's just recently been released from what I thought we heard was a halfway house. From what I understand, she had been out of jail a while, then got a public intox arrest that put her back into either jail or a halfway house. Does anyone know what caused her parole/probation to be revoked - exact charges? Contrarily, DM has always looked to me like a current meth user, and apparently his recent legal issues back that up.

Couple this with MCM having just found a new job (not easy to convince Iowa employers to take a risk if you have meth and prison in your recent past), and I don't see these two as being at the desperate stage of meth addiction that sends you to a place where you would sell your children. That's just my opinion. I've seen some strung-out folks, I've seen some "depths of depravity" characters, and MCM isn't there. Maybe DM, but not really. And her seeming lack of emotion, or coldness/indifference, is pretty common in people who've used a lot of meth in the past, or who've been in prison. They hollow out, I've seen it all too much.

Still catching up, but the news trucks have all moved. Not sure, didn't see 'em leave.

 

[SwampMama]

What the heck is a maxi dress??? tia

It's just a floor length or ankle length informal dress. Rather than a minidress which is short, a maxi dress is long. They are popular currently and were also popular back in the early 70's when I was a little girl and we called them maxi dresses back then too.

 

[brighidin]

Some recent info from the WCF Courier's live feed:

Authorities again checking cars around the police station and the lake. #evansdalesearch p.twimg.com
by eSchettler via twitter 12:38 PM

I'm heading out to Evansdale in a few minutes. I'll provide updates when I get there.
by Chris Essig - Courier 12:23 PM
http://wcfcourier.com/twitter-updat...tml_7502e29a-ce9a-11e1-80bf-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I haven't been following this case other than reading news updates on my Comcast homepage. I tuned in to Nancy Grace last night when I noticed that she was discussing the disappearance of the cousins. The older of the two girls, Lyric, appears to be a very sophisticated 10-year-old. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been someone with "bad intentions" stalking her. :moo:

Thoughts and prayers for these two young girls and their families. I hope they are located soon.

 

[elepher50]

Why are they not crying/freaking out during these interviews? I have not seen a video yet that the mother has cried. I would freaking.

I think they probably have a few investigations going on.

It has been described by many local WSers in Iowa as being an Iowa culture to remain stoic on the outside no matter what you may be thinking or wanting to do.

Ollipop described it best as a duck very calmly skimming across the lake looking all calm like but underneath the water the feet are going like mo-fos.

I have accepted this as a cultural difference and moved past it based on the input from our local WSers.

 

[hollyblue]

I truly don't believe that any family member did something bad to these children. And it doesn't matter about any possible drug involvement - at least not to me. To hurt, maybe even kill a child, takes a total disregard for human life, let alone one's own child or relative, this person would be really "off" and just because a person does drugs or has done drugs does not make them automatically that morally corrupt. We don't even know what type of crime has been committed - or the motive. It seems that it is more likely that the children were taken to be sold or used in some very wrong way and maybe not even killed. What are the chances of such a thing happening?

Keep human trafficking out of Iowa


That investigation resulted in the arrests of more than a dozen people allegedly involved in a local prostitution business. One woman, Melody McCullom, 21, of Waterloo, also was charged with human trafficking involving a juvenile.

http://thegazette.com/2012/04/24/keep-human-trafficking-out-of-iowa/

 

[Saland]

If your child was missing I would think that you would hold on to all hope that they are found alive.

To cry and breakdown while giving interviews would lead me to believe that she knows they are dead. Like what was mentioned above about the woman who killed her children.

The simultaneous sadness of them being missing and the hope she must cling to in order to keep on going creates a terrible conflict in the mind. I think that's why we are seeing her strange behavior.

 

[brighidin]

It has been described by many local WSers in Iowa as being an Iowa culture to remain stoic on the outside no matter what you may be thinking or wanting to do.

Ollipop described it best as a duck very calmly skimming across the lake looking all calm like but underneath the water the feet are going like mo-fos.

I have accepted this as a cultural difference and moved past it based on the input from our local WSers.

I keep meaning to say that I love that analogy.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It's just a floor length or ankle length informal dress. Rather than a minidress which is short, a maxi dress is long. They are popular currently and were also popular back in the early 70's when I was a little girl and we called them maxi dresses back then too.

I was in college in the early '70s. Around campus, these casual long frocks were known as "granny dresses"

 

[SyraKelly]

If your child was missing I would think that you would hold on to all hope that they are found alive.

To cry and breakdown while giving interviews would lead me to believe that she knows they are dead. Like what was mentioned above about the woman who killed her children.

The simultaneous sadness of them being missing and the hope she must cling to in order to keep on going creates a terrible conflict in the mind. I think that's why we are seeing her strange behavior.

Welcome-ITA with your post-Thank you

 

[brighidin]

Really bad people who go out to find and hurt a person, especially children because they are weak, can be clever - in Ca a woman went missing at a rest stop, look out point, over a beautiful mountain, her car was left and she vanished - they never did find her even though they searched the look-out point, down the sheer cliffs, etc. and every cabin on the mountain - vehicles can put a lot of distance between the crime and the victims. Did they do vehicle stops in the area after the children went missing, or checked vehicle trunks, or check all the motel guests, anyone who has a record in violent crime, that could have been lurking in the area? Maybe even a friend of someone who lives in the town - someone who stopped by to visit and might have seen the girls.

Yes, on Monday and today. Not sure about other days though.

 

[mck16]

It's just a floor length or ankle length informal dress. Rather than a minidress which is short, a maxi dress is long. They are popular currently and were also popular back in the early 70's when I was a little girl and we called them maxi dresses back then too.

Kind of like a mu mu? I think that is what we called them. Very comfortable if I recall. I don't know if this person wearing it is overweight or not, but I do recall large ladies wearing them for comfort. I didn't know they had returned. Cool. Thanks again.

 

[brighidin]

Kind of like a mu mu? I think that is what we called them. Very comfortable if I recall. I don't know if this person wearing it is overweight or not, but I do recall large ladies wearing them for comfort. I didn't know they had returned. Cool. Thanks again.

O/T
No, not a mumu! A sundress, but to the ground.
I hope not a mumu. I really am going to change now.

 

[sweetpea33]

I keep meaning to say that I love that analogy.

I do too because it is so very true! <3

 

[Mjskit]

Seeing lots of talk about MCM and DM's recent meth usage. As someone who's lived here a while, works with intoxicated ppl, and is roughly familiar with what meth users tend to look like, I gotta say that MCM doesn't look to me like she's been doing meth recently, likely has had to undergo several regular drug tests, etc, since she's just recently been released from what I thought we heard was a halfway house. From what I understand, she had been out of jail a while, then got a public intox arrest that put her back into either jail or a halfway house. Does anyone know what caused her parole/probation to be revoked - exact charges? Contrarily, DM has always looked to me like a current meth user, and apparently his recent legal issues back that up.

Couple this with MCM having just found a new job (not easy to convince Iowa employers to take a risk if you have meth and prison in your recent past), and I don't see these two as being at the desperate stage of meth addiction that sends you to a place where you would sell your children. That's just my opinion. I've seen some strung-out folks, I've seen some "depths of depravity" characters, and MCM isn't there. Maybe DM, but not really. And her seeming lack of emotion, or coldness/indifference, is pretty common in people who've used a lot of meth in the past, or who've been in prison. They hollow out, I've seen it all too much.

Still catching up, but the news trucks have all moved. Not sure, didn't see 'em leave.

BBM I have witnessed this same behavior in my step daughter. She says with words how much she loves he children yet never did anything to show it. When her rights were terminated and a No Contact Order was given by the judge I asked why and was told the people she associated with could target the child. Scary. However, the child resided with me since birth and was not exposed to that lifestyle and rarely had contact with her mother. We have since adopted her and live in the same house her mother grew up in - so according to the judge we will always be in danger.

 

[Gottasecret]

It has been described by many local WSers in Iowa as being an Iowa culture to remain stoic on the outside no matter what you may be thinking or wanting to do.

Ollipop described it best as a duck very calmly skimming across the lake looking all calm like but underneath the water the feet are going like mo-fos.

I have accepted this as a cultural difference and moved past it based on the input from our local WSers.

I am not sure that is completely true. I find it odd that the parents are not sobbing and looking hopeless, and I live right in the neighborhood. I do not think that it is wrong though. I think everyone handles tragedy and stress differently. My family had a major tragedy and most of us were medicated the second day to handle the emotional pain. I could not cry while on this medication. It left me feeling neutral even though it was the worst time in my life.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Many people don't show their emotions and keep a stiff upper lip. They cry in private and then pull it together for the public. That happened with the baby that was taken by the Dingo - the mother wasn't emotional and this hurt her and she was sent to prison for something she did not do - people didn't like her stoic approach to the trial or the loss of her child - and she said she refused to cry for the public - it was private.

That is one reason I do not judge parents who find themselves in this horrible situation.

Through the years of following cases like this I have never seen one case where the majority didnt find major fault of some kind with the parent or parents. They cried too much...(fake)...they didnt cry enough (hiding something)....they didnt show enough emotion (they dont love their child)...they looked down...they looked up...they dressed weird...they said odd statements and even smiled.

Marlene Lamar just went through all those heavy criticisms when she appeared in front of the media begging everyone to be on the lookout for her missing daughter, Sierra.

The honest truth is everyone does not react the same to tragedy and it is inheriently unfair to think they have to act exactly as some think they would in the same circumstances. Misty may appear calm on the outside and is falling to pieces on the inside.

I have never lost a child or had one missing but I cant think of anything that would hurt worse for a parent. I dont even know Lyric or Elizabeth but I have cried tears of sadness for these two precious little girls and their families.

Some families are very dysfunctional and they have things in their past that arent like the idealic family but they too love their children even as imperfect as they are. A predator doesnt care what the family makeup happens to be. He does not discriminate when he kidnaps his victims. They have been kidnapped from families of wealth to the poorest of families..stolen from families who have no criminal past to those who do. The pain is no less for parents who may be far from imperfect and have struggled with drug issues.

No matter what Lyric's parents have done in the past I feel they are devastated and want the girls to be found alive.

I am so afraid LE is going to get tunnel vision in this case and hone in solely on the parents instead of trying to find the real predator who is still on the loose.

imo