IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[LucyOso]

Looks like the parents have been advised by attorney not to speak/take any further poly tests. What does this mean?:waitasec:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...cle_8e1533ec-d128-11e1-af57-0019bb2963f4.html

Respectfully, I don't think the family hired an attorney. I think it was just some attorney giving the parents a suggestion.

If you have nothing to hide, why should anyone stop talking or taking poly's?

People have the right to privacy and the right to retain an attorney as a spokesperson at any time in this country regardless of being innocent or guilty. Just like, if a cops ask to search your car, you have a right to say no unless there is probable cause or a warrant. And, they may pull the "if you have nothing to hide, why won't you let us do it". That's reverse psychology, to try and convince someone they are obligated to prove they are innocent and clear their name. In this case, due to the length of time, the lack of sleep, the trauma of the situation, the media and public picking apart the families histories, etc…I am sure the family is doing the wise thing and having someone assist them through this horrible process. It is not a sign of hiding anything, it is a sign they have no legal expertise and need an advocate to help them. IMOO.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I just assumed (yeah, I know) they rushed to the lake because they had heard bikes were found there.

A volunteer firefighter who was assisting in the initial search found the bikes at about 4 pm. That was after the family had already made a cursory search of the area of the lake near the skate park (other side of lake).

 

[Lava]

Wylma Cook, the girls' grandmother, said officials "interrogated" Dan Morrissey, Lyric's father, Tuesday.

"They screamed and yelled at him" and accused him of killing the kids, Cook said. "And he didn't. That is their way of going about things."

Read More: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...128-11e1-af57-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz2167ifGar

Are these sort of accusations normal? Intense interrogations I understand, but at this point in the game do they out and out accuse parents to try and get information out of them? Just trying to understand what is going on.

 

[threecrazykids]

Not that I've ever heard about. I can't find anyone who's ever witnessed a person in the water there. I can remember occasionally seeing a fishing boat out on the lake, but its rare.

The thing with that lake is that it is shallow by the shore, it very gradually slopes from anywhere you can approach the water easily, and that gradual slope is muddy. My kids are 9 & 4, I have no problem with them approaching the water's edge (except it smells and is green and murky and gross) and falling in, because even laying down 3 ft into the water they'd likely not go under the surface. It would take several muddy steps for me to get out deep enough to get my hair wet, obviously much less for children, but as the lake has drained, the shoreline has been revealed, and we haven't heard of any prints or disturbances of the bottom anywhere near the shore, which I would think would be all but impossible to avoid in order to get to a deeper spot.

This is exactly what I was going to describe!:woohoo: It is not like a river's edge with jagged drop offs, etc. Nor does it have a current or undertow. I just don't see how they could have gotten to the middle of the lake without foul play OR being noticed.

That is NOT a lake where people regularly swim.

 

[Ollipop]

Ok… somewhat new here again…. And I am have been on and off of here so someone may have brought this subject up before…
The thing that just hit me like a ton of bricks is….
How dry is it up in that area??? Although I do realize that we do still have a few ignorant people in this world that water their lawns in the middle and the hottest time of the day… But a middle age to older gentleman would know not to water his lawn at that time…. Just seams odd to me.
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Very hot, very dry. I have a huge 50+ yr old maple in my front yard that has lost leaves like its October due to heat stress and drought. I see sprinklers running all the time, at all times of day around here (altho I've just let my lawn go dormant, some lawn-vain folks just need to waste precious water to keep their lawns green - for what reason I'll never fully understand.)

Is the interaction between waterloo and e'dale residents pretty consistent and common or is it like two seperate worlds? I know waterloo is the bigger city and e'dale is the small town next to it...just wondering how intertwind they are. For example, I live in a smaller city outside of Los Angeles and even though we are a hop skip and a jump away from each other...we could be worlds apart.

Yes, interaction is pretty consistent. Most ppl living in E'dale, I think, work in Waterloo, and probably travel there daily. The same can't be said for Waterloo, though, as there are few things in E'dale that can't be found in Waterloo. Our parks are nice, though, and popular.

When I first moved here in '93, I remember a local describing the area to me like this: Cedar Falls is a relatively affluent and white collar/college town. Waterloo is relatively middle-class and blue collar, Evansdale is the trailer-trash area without so many trailers. I'm paraphrasing that, but I've heard others repeat the basic idea.

And so I felt roughly the same for many years, until I started spending time here and realizing that it was really just a stereotype. Reminds me of when I attended ASU in Tempe, and the locals viewed Tempe as like Cedar Falls, Phoenix was metro/urban like W'loo, and Mesa was the white-trash trailer court of the region. Of course, none of it was true, but still some locals held that prejudice.

IMO, ppl from CF look down on Waterloo, and ppl from Waterloo look down on Evansdale...I suppose its just human nature to want to think you're grass is greener than your neighbors.

 

[concernedmother]

Certainly not all but alot of these cases there is a common factor, someone in the family is or was involved with drugs.

 

[Morethenrubies]

Now that the case is starting to go more and more national and that the family is starting to be put under a spotlight, it doesn't surprise me at all that an attorney (or multiple) would offer up some "free" legal advice. Happens all the time in high profile cases.

MOO

All the attention and if misty and dan are being treaed as suspect could be why there is a lawyer possibly involved now.

 

[sweetpea33]

If anyone finds out who the attorney is from a MSM source, please post, I'm really curious

ETA: The best (IMVHO) criminal attorney we have locally is Linda Hall, she's great at what she does. If they have her, they are in good hands

me too! wondering if the attorney is local or not...

 

[robo_geek2]

Certainly not all but alot of these cases there is a common factor, someone in the family is or was involved with drugs.

The father is awaiting trial on drug charges and one of his accomplices had a preliminary hearing on the same day the girls disappeared. My theory is that they were taken so the father would not testify against his accomplices.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Is this often required or even seen in other states? I thought it was one of those "crazy Californian" things but I could be wrong. (I do live in CA so yes I'm calling myself crazy too)

In my small town, I'd say about 25-50% of kids wear bike helmets. Closer to 25% than 50%.

I know my sister and brother-in-law insisted that their kids wear helmets. And I also know that my nephews usually ditched the helmets as soon as they were out of sight.

Sometimes part of being a good aunt is knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

 

[peeples]

Is the interaction between waterloo and e'dale residents pretty consistent and common or is it like two seperate worlds? I know waterloo is the bigger city and e'dale is the small town next to it...just wondering how intertwind they are. For example, I live in a smaller city outside of Los Angeles and even though we are a hop skip and a jump away from each other...we could be worlds apart.

I'm from Cedar Falls (waterloo is in between us and Edale), and I feel CF is worlds apart from waterloo and evansdale, we just don't have the crime that waterloo and evansdale has. I"m pretty sure the average income is a lot higher here in CF than it is in evansdale, Not saying any of this to be bashing (i have family that lives in evansdale) just answering honestly.. I remember some report a long while back that said a large portion of Edale is free reduced lunch It was like 80% or something.

 

[tlcya]

"At this point, because they're being harassed so badly, they've been advised by an attorney to stop doing any polygraph tests, to not talk to the media anymore... they've been advised to not talk to the police," Brousseau said.

"They have accused (Dan Morrissey.) They said they have evidence. Well we all know if that was the truth they'd already have Dan locked up."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120719/NEWS/120719019/1001/news/?odyssey=nav|head

I must say, LE is using interrogation techniques and strategies here and I totally get it, but even so, were it me facing those sorts of techniques and strategies about my missing child - I would be hiring an attorney pronto as well.

Think what you will, say what you must about cooperating with authorities, understanding that it is part of the investigative process, etc etc. If someone accuses me of killing the child I have asked them to help me find and further tries to tell me they have evidence of same when I know damn well I have not done what they are accusing me of - I would be a fool NOT to seek legal advice. Period.

 

[lishac23]

Very hot, very dry. I have a huge 50+ yr old maple in my front yard that has lost leaves like its October due to heat stress and drought. I see sprinklers running all the time, at all times of day around here (altho I've just let my lawn go dormant, some lawn-vain folks just need to waste precious water to keep their lawns green - for what reason I'll never fully understand.)



Yes, interaction is pretty consistent. Most ppl living in E'dale, I think, work in Waterloo, and probably travel there daily. The same can't be said for Waterloo, though, as there are few things in E'dale that can't be found in Waterloo. Our parks are nice, though, and popular.

When I first moved here in '93, I remember a local describing the area to me like this: Cedar Falls is a relatively affluent and white collar/college town. Waterloo is relatively middle-class and blue collar, Evansdale is the trailer-trash area without so many trailers. I'm paraphrasing that, but I've heard others repeat the basic idea.

And so I felt roughly the same for many years, until I started spending time here and realizing that it was really just a stereotype. Reminds me of when I attended ASU in Tempe, and the locals viewed Tempe as like Cedar Falls, Phoenix was metro/urban like W'loo, and Mesa was the white-trash trailer court of the region. Of course, none of it was true, but still some locals held that prejudice.

IMO, ppl from CF look down on Waterloo, and ppl from Waterloo look down on Evansdale...I suppose its just human nature to want to think you're grass is greener than your neighbors.

thanks AGAIN!! Hope you didn't mind me using your "E'Dale" abbreviation.

I completely get it... unfortunately that mind set is everywhere. Here you don't even have to be from different cities...its as simple as whether your address is above or below the freeway. SMH

 

[sherbetjello]

CNN is reporting that the family approached MSM yesterday to find out the background of Misty and Dan so that it was publicly know and they knew it was going to become an issue.

Jim (CNN reporter/Brooke Baldwin segment) found it rather interesting, and it's the first time ever, that the family approached them with the information and advised them (the media) to do the research of their criminal cases and to report on them.

 

[callyn]

FIRST...WELCOME!!!!

Second...I agree. At first I thought he just wasn't sure what time he went out to water the grass (sometime between 12 and 3) but I can't imagine someone losing track of time for three hours. I could see saying... I went out to water the grass around 12 or 1...but somewhere between 12 and 3?????

I watered this morning but I couldn't tell you what time within 2 or 3 hours. I do it every day so it is nothing that I take note of, just kind of do it on automatic pilot. I would definitely NOT call it losing track of time, lol. It's just of no importance.

 

[LucyOso]

Ok… somewhat new here again…. And I am have been on and off of here so someone may have brought this subject up before…
The thing that just hit me like a ton of bricks is….
How dry is it up in that area??? Although I do realize that we do still have a few ignorant people in this world that water their lawns in the middle and the hottest time of the day… But a middle age to older gentleman would know not to water his lawn at that time…. Just seams odd to me.
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FIRST...WELCOME!!!!

Second...I agree. At first I thought he just wasn't sure what time he went out to water the grass (sometime between 12 and 3) but I can't imagine someone losing track of time for three hours. I could see saying... I went out to water the grass around 12 or 1...but somewhere between 12 and 3?????

We do not know much about his man. Is he old? Retired? Often retirees will find busy work to take up their time during the day. And men will spend hours doing mundane tasks, like being in the shop, yard work, etc to fill the sense of lose of utility from retring from work. We don't know if this man has poor eyesight, forgetfulness or takes certain medications in the evening that would make him too drowsy to do yard work. In fact, the wife may be his "clock" calling him in for dinner, to take pills, etc. So, if he goes out after lunch and does busy work, he may only know it is, say, 5 pm, because that is when the wife calls him in for dinner or the news, etc. I think with his sighting of girls on bikes, it could be inaccurate if he has some typical health related issues that occur with old age...poor eyesight, memory issues, etc, etc.

 

[Ollipop]

Certainly not all but alot of these cases there is a common factor, someone in the family is or was involved with drugs.

Unfortunately, given the rampage of meth thru Iowa in the last several years, I'd bet you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who didn't have family member or friend that didn't know someone involved in drugs at some point. It's sad. It's like our avg citizen was 6 degrees removed from that (Kevin Bacon-style) in 1990, and now we are all only 3 degrees away. If that makes sense at all.

Its my opinion that the family's past is not likely a factor - at least that they are aware of. As posted, given that info was recently flooded out over national tv, and that one father has apparently been directly accused by interrogators, they'd be foolish not to have legal representation at this time.

 

[sweetpea33]

Very hot, very dry. I have a huge 50+ yr old maple in my front yard that has lost leaves like its October due to heat stress and drought. I see sprinklers running all the time, at all times of day around here (altho I've just let my lawn go dormant, some lawn-vain folks just need to waste precious water to keep their lawns green - for what reason I'll never fully understand.)



Yes, interaction is pretty consistent. Most ppl living in E'dale, I think, work in Waterloo, and probably travel there daily. The same can't be said for Waterloo, though, as there are few things in E'dale that can't be found in Waterloo. Our parks are nice, though, and popular.

When I first moved here in '93, I remember a local describing the area to me like this: Cedar Falls is a relatively affluent and white collar/college town. Waterloo is relatively middle-class and blue collar, Evansdale is the trailer-trash area without so many trailers. I'm paraphrasing that, but I've heard others repeat the basic idea.

And so I felt roughly the same for many years, until I started spending time here and realizing that it was really just a stereotype. Reminds me of when I attended ASU in Tempe, and the locals viewed Tempe as like Cedar Falls, Phoenix was metro/urban like W'loo, and Mesa was the white-trash trailer court of the region. Of course, none of it was true, but still some locals held that prejudice.

IMO, ppl from CF look down on Waterloo, and ppl from Waterloo look down on Evansdale...I suppose its just human nature to want to think you're grass is greener than your neighbors.

Ollipop...I have to disagree with you on Waterloo's perspective...i lived 25 yrs in Cf (born, went to school and college there) and move to Waterloo 25 yrs ago because the houses were cheaper(we were a young family looking to buy) CF definately has it's nose slightly in the air when it comes to Waterloo, but Waterloo from what I have seen doesn't feel that way about Evansdale. Infact I think there may be a tiny bit of jealousy that for being basically "attached" to Waterloo, Evansdale has held on to it's small town charm and low crime that we do not have in Waterloo...not only that, for the most part children in Evansdale go to elementary and middle school in Evansdale and then high school in Waterloo. So many of the teen from Waterloo have friends in Evansdale and vice versa.

 

[callyn]

We do not know much about his man. Is he old? Retired? Often retirees will find busy work to take up their time during the day. And men will spend hours doing mundane tasks, like being in the shop, yard work, etc to fill the sense of lose of utility from retring from work. We don't know if this man has poor eyesight, forgetfulness or takes certain medications in the evening that would make him too drowsy to do yard work. In fact, the wife may be his "clock" calling him in for dinner, to take pills, etc. So, if he goes out after lunch and does busy work, he may only know it is, say, 5 pm, because that is when the wife calls him in for dinner or the news, etc. I think with his sighting of girls on bikes, it could be inaccurate if he has some typical health related issues that occur with old age...poor eyesight, memory issues, etc, etc.

It could just as easily be that watering the lawn is not a big deal to him (as it is not with me) and he simply didn't pay any attention to the time.

 

[threecrazykids]

Another thing LE said that I find extremely baffling was that all RSO were "cleared" (and that was within the first 24-48 hours of them missing, I believe in one of the first press releases by BHCS).

How can that be possible in such a short time frame? I find it extremely hard to believe that LE was able to not only question, but VERIFY close to 240 RSO's alibi's in less than 48 hours.

However...if they had no reason to believe it was abduction they really wouldn't have had to verify anything. :waitasec: