IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[passionflower]

Local news just made a plea that if the girls were kidnapped for ransom and things turned out bigger than the perp expected, to just please let the girls go

maybe the ransom is not money but revenge or testimony! JMOO

 

[FrayedKnot]

Family's decision not to take polygraphs is a "distraction" - Abben

Whoa. Wasn't it reported that they HAD taken polys?

 

[tlzzdavis]

Local news just read article from the USA today where grandma gives some comments, anyone have a link??

This is the one i found Hope It Helps!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-19/iowa-girls-search/56329148/1

 

[elepher50]

What I got from the tweets was this:

1. LE really think the two girls are in the lake
2. LE are hoping to soon wrap up the case meaning divers find the girls (presser over the weekend if it goes that long)
3. LE does not think it was an abduction (no danger to other children in Evansdale)

LE is focusing on the lake entirely. My heart and thoughts go out to these two families and for what they are going through - I could not imagine being put into a situation like this.

 

[elmomom]

I think Wen Ho Lee, Richard Jewell and Steven Hatfield would beg to differ. At the very least, they would point out that even though the FBI is not literally a small town police agency, it does sometimes act as if it were.

Yes. The FBI has made a few very public examples of acting like everyone's worst idea of LE. They make up their minds based on "gut feelings" than go and crucify the person in the press... Ruining lives in the process, even causing suicides, and then lo and behold, when they get some actual EVIDENCE, they hardly even acknowledge their error. What I want to know is how many times do they go about things this way, and there never comes a time when actual evidence proves their theory wrong. It is why innocent until proven guilty should be the first thing they think of when they awaken in the morning and the last thing they remember before going to sleep.... Too many innocent lives have been ruined by LE.

 

[tlcya]

Whoa. Wasn't it reported that they HAD taken polys?

They have but attorney has advised them not to take any more (I think)

today has been one hot mess of confusion

 

[SyraKelly]

What I got from the tweets was this:

1. LE really think the two girls are in the lake
2. LE are hoping to soon wrap up the case meaning divers find the girls (presser over the weekend if it goes that long)
3. LE does not think it was an abduction (no danger to other children in Evansdale)

LE is focusing on the lake entirely. My heart and thoughts go out to these two families and for what they are going through - I could not imagine being put into a situation like this.

This comment is not directed at you Elepher- but if they really think the girls are in the lake-then why are they harassing the families-it makes no sense to me at all!!

 

[nursebeeme]

Thank you NurseBeeme...


Therefore, None from Someone other than Family....? :waitasec:

unverified sightings:

lawn water guy near lake betwn 12-3

guy on bike on trail 12:20


another guy at 2:30ish but that just doesn't fit really because the guy on the bike is so spot on..

 

[Shelby2]

I think Wen Ho Lee, Richard Jewell and Steven Hatfield would beg to differ. At the very least, they would point out that even though the FBI is not literally a small town police agency, it does sometimes act as if it were.

The FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit's Child Abduction Response Plan and their Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Teams? What happened??

 

[epiphany]

Whoa. Wasn't it reported that they HAD taken polys?

If family refused to take further polys>that would be a distraction: Abben

 

[nursebeeme]

live chat reporter tweets that daily press briefings will continue thru the weekend if needed

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

This just gets more confusing by the hour...ugh!

 

[GrainneDhu]

They are not in the lake.

If they were, only one would be missing.

The statistical likliehood of two girls, both of whom could swim, one of whom was quite strong, getting trapped and drowning in a lake at the same time, silently and unseen, is just not credible. At their ages there would've been yelling, struggling, splashing, screaming.

I am glad they are draining it but believe they may well be looking for evidence, not bodies.

I agree that the girls are most likely not in the lake.

However, it is a common misconception that drowning victims splash, scream, etc.

In real life, drowning doesn't look at all like it is depicted on television or in the movies. The victim does not flail and thrash in the water, as it appears in the movies. Instead, drowning tends to be a deceptive quieter act, and victims tend to appear lethargic.

The drowning victim often is bobbing with their head tilted back just at the waterline and the mouth wide open. There are attempts to keep rolling on to the back. The respiratory effort may be rapid but is often shallow. The eyes tend to be wide open and may hold a sense of panic. If there is a swimming effort, it is weak and uncoordinated.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/drowning/page2_em.htm

 

[elepher50]

This comment is not directed at you Elepher- but if they really think the girls are in the lake-then why are they harassing the families-it makes no sense to me at all!!

Me either ... makes no sense unless they are just honing their investigative skills. I see no reason for them to be harassing the families if they really think the girls are in the lake. And I do think they believe the girls are in the lake. Makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[robo_geek2]

Local news just made a plea that if the girls were kidnapped for ransom and things turned out bigger than the perp expected, to just please let the girls go

Having looked at map of where the bikes were found, and the fact that child's purse was on lake side of fence, two observations:

a) If you were riding your bike from downtown, they went a very long way around the lake to get to the lake edge. Their bikes were on the far SouthEast corner of the lake, the only part of the lake where a road is nearby and shaded by trees. On such a hot day, they would have had to travel well over an extra half mile to get to the far corner of the lake.

b) there is a fence between the trail and the lake, which looks like a six or even eight-foot chain link fence. The girls purse was found on the 'lake side' of the fence. (this fence is probably there to help keep deer off the highway.

These two facts seem to indicate that the bikes and purse were dumped there. The end of the tall fence is a couple of hundred yards past where the bikes were found, and there is no way the girls got over it. It does not seem logical to leave your bikes on the trail, backtrack a long way to go around the fence, and then drop your purse on exactly the other side from where you left your bikes.

Somebody dropped their bikes there and threw the purse over the fence. It's even possible they stopped on the side of the highway, dropped the bikes over the outside fence, then threw the purse over towards the lake.

Goto Bing maps and pull up the birds-eye view of Evansdale IA

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdale_search/
this shows where bikes were found

 

[Shelby2]

Yes. The FBI has made a few very public examples of acting like everyone's worst idea of LE. They make up their minds based on "gut feelings" than go and crucify the person in the press... Ruining lives in the process, even causing suicides, and then lo and behold, when they get some actual EVIDENCE, they hardly even acknowledge their error. What I want to know is how many times do they go about things this way, and there never comes a time when actual evidence proves their theory wrong. It is why innocent until proven guilty should be the first thing they think of when they awaken in the morning and the last thing they remember before going to sleep.... Too many innocent lives have been ruined by LE.

The FBI go by gut feelings?? Are you talking about the FBI in general, or the CARP members?

 

[lishac23]

So from the presser we got....NOTHING?

 

[tlcya]

Having looked at map of where the bikes were found, and the fact that child's purse was on lake side of fence, two observations:

a) If you were riding your bike from downtown, they went a very long way around the lake to get to the lake edge. Their bikes were on the far SouthEast corner of the lake, the only part of the lake where a road is nearby and shaded by trees. On such a hot day, they would have had to travel well over an extra half mile to get to the far corner of the lake.

b) there is a fence between the trail and the lake, which looks like a six or even eight-foot chain link fence. The girls purse was found on the 'lake side' of the fence. (this fence is probably there to help keep deer off the highway.

These two facts seem to indicate that the bikes and purse were dumped there. The end of the tall fence is a couple of hundred yards past where the bikes were found, and there is no way the girls got over it. It does not seem logical to leave your bikes on the trail, backtrack a long way to go around the fence, and then drop your purse on exactly the other side from where you left your bikes.

Somebody dropped their bikes there and threw the purse over the fence.

Goto Bing maps and pull up the birds-eye view of Evansdale IA

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdale_search/
this shows where bikes were found

:welcome: robo_geek

There are several of us who are in agreement that the bikes and purse seem to be in the most perfect location to have been dumped and in such an inconvenient location for two girls who sought to cool down in the water.

The only thing that seems not to fit with those items being dumped there are the reports that dogs followed the girls scent into the wooded area near the bikes, which suggests that not only the bikes and purse were there but the girls themselves as well.

 

[tlcya]

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[KathrynL]

What I got from the presser is that they aren't talking about what they have. I heard delicate semantics to avoid talking about things that they do not want to reveal. moo