IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[robo_geek2]

IMO they should have had this lake closed off this entire time. Lots of people have been walking around there since Friday. Any chance the perp(s) could get back there and dump the bodies after all this started? Have they had LE staked out there full time in all areas making sure no one was able to come back and dump them?

Plus, in a small town, the perp could be one of the searchers.

Of course if the girls are alive and lost in the woods, the search party is needed.

Here is a map of RSOs in that city. Stay off Marshall Ave...THREE on one street, including two who are child molesters. On their trip to the lake, they could have literally ridden past the house of three RSOs on the same street.

http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Evansdale-Iowa.html

 

[passionflower]

Very good points. I wish LE would elaborate on the condition of the bikes/purse. I am 100% in support of LE (most of them anyway) and respect their need to keep things private. Working closely with criminal cases, I just don't see the point of allowing the public (who oddly enough are most helpful in missing persons cases) to "believe" there's no immediate danger. If you don't know what happened...then you don't know that there isn't somebody lurking in the neighborhood, targeting young girls...

Honestly I think LE knows allot more than they will release, JMOO

 

[Simp]

bbm: good thoughts on playing


as for guy on the bike.. he allegedly saw them around 1220 and I haven't seen anything about the position of the bikes only that when the sheriff got there he claimed they were leaning against the fence (yesterday's presser)

Yeah. I asked this earlier on. Guy on bike says he almost ran into the bikes or had to swerve to miss the bikes. (can't remember exact quote). However, later on it was reported the bikes were not thrown down. Please forgive my lack of posting specific quotes. How the heck did the bikes get moved!!?? Did the bikes get moved??

 

[Shelby2]

Shelby, you and I usually agree on these things, but I DO think this dad has been cooperating.

He has an alibi, took a poly, and submitted to police questioning. I may be wrong, but I think he only left after being asked the same thing over and over and giving the same answers.

Again, I could be wrong and I am usually the one pointing at the parents, because statistically, the parents are a more likely suspect.

But these girls were not snatched from theirs beds in the middle of the night. They were outside in the middle of the day, together.

I just don't see the parents having a hand in this. MOO

But FTR, I have total respect for your posts and theories.

Yes, good point, I am sure he is very frustrated. And I have total respect for your posts and theories as well. I just wonder what he was being asked about, maybe old associates?
I am still confused about who lives with who, the timeline, and many other things about this case! How do two girls disappear seemingly into thin air?

 

[SapphireSteel]

I agree that the girls are most likely not in the lake.

However, it is a common misconception that drowning victims splash, scream, etc.



http://www.emedicinehealth.com/drowning/page2_em.htm

Thank you for posting, however the statistical likelihood that two girls drowned silently like this at exactly the same time is one in a billion, at least.

 

[cluciano63]

I think LE is clearly considering all options, including foul play.
But they are saying there is nothing to tell them that foul play has occurred; no crime scene, no signs of a struggle, etc..
That is my take on it, anyway. They seem to be doing everything they need to do. They talked to RSO's and checked on them, called the FBI, checking the lake, checking the family, etc...

 

[FrayedKnot]

I am still catching up but lets face it Lyric's parents may have known some not so nice people. Maybe they are not focusing on them but rather people they know/knew?

I think they may still be at the lake because they are looking for evidence.

I missed the part about the parents being 'harassed'...I don't think LE just wants to charge someone so they can get it over with. Why would they do that? They want to catch the person who did this and find these girls.

Who said LE thinks Dan did it? LE never said that did they?

Now I do agree that perhaps some of the folks that Dan and Misty may have associated with in the past deserve a second and third look!

And yes, that may be why they are focusing on the Morrisseys.

 

[GrainneDhu]

What I got from the Presser is LE knows nothing. This is so sad and makes no sense!

migranny, take heart.

At this point in many investigations, LE sounds like they haven't the faintest idea and probably wouldn't recognise a clue if it ran up and bit them on the nose.

It takes a lot more time to tell whether LE was truly clueless or whether they just sounded that way.

For instance, in the Sierra LaMar case, it sounded like the police knew nothing for close to a month. It was extensively discussed on WS, if you want to read about it for yourself.

Then, all of a sudden, it turns out that LE knew a lot, right from the beginning. It was almost shocking to realise just how much LE had known without so much as a leak to the media. I think I, for one, am rather jaded by all the instances where stuff gets leaked to the media because it took me totally by surprise.

There is now a suspect in jail awaiting trial.

So, give it more time. The police may know nothing or they may have a lot of evidence that the public doesn't even dream exists.

 

[princesspjs]

bbm: good thoughts on playing


as for guy on the bike.. he allegedly saw them around 1220 and I haven't seen anything about the position of the bikes only that when the sheriff got there he claimed they were leaning against the fence (yesterday's presser)

FINALLY! I found an article that states who found the bikes and where they were when he saw them at 12:20 pm.

As the group searched, a bicyclist stopped the officers to say he saw the two kids bikes on the trail at about 12:20 p.m., but no sign of the children.

Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.

“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said. He then went to the Evansdale Police Department to report the sighting.

Read More: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...d32-11e1-a656-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz216t7ijLd

 

[Simp]

So we know nothing new today. Tomorrow we wait on the dive team to work ALL DAY to tell us they aren't in the lake....... Then what????
IMOO they are not in the lake.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The problem with the parents associating with low-lifes is that it just means that many more suspects.

If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Personally I am convinced the girls were abducted, further, abducted by someone they knew.

 

[epiphany]

Now I do agree that perhaps some of the folks that Dan and Misty may have associated with in the past deserve a second and third look!

And yes, that may be why they are focusing on the Morrisseys.

I believe the Methamphetamine history and connections-not simply past, but current, make all the difference in this case.

 

[Angleena]

BBM

Could be, but may also have been due to:

Morrissey also has a pending domestic assault charge stemming from an August incident where he allegedly assaulted Misty Morrissey.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...128-11e1-af57-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz216nW66oh

In Iowa, whenever there is a domestic abuse charge, a no contact order is automatically applied at the time the charges are filed. No contact orders are issued for one year unless there is a stalking charge (in that case the no contact order is permanent). They can be extended for several reasons. They will automatically be extended if there is pending court action on the domestic abuse charge.

Our court system takes domestic violence very seriously. They have made it easy for women to simply walk into the court house and fill out a form to apply for relief from domestic violence (No contact order). The defendant will be served and a hearing will be held. The defendant has two choices, they can consent to it and have no domestic abuse charge on their court record. They can contest it, have a hearing, and if the defendant loses, they will also have a domestic abuse charge added to their record. Most consent to it to avoid the additional charge and fines.

However, in cases where the police are called to a domestic violence situation, the no contact order goes into effect immediately. All of the above process I mentioned is not necessary. The defendant will go to court on the domestic abuse charge and pending the outcome of that, the court will decide to extend the no contact order or cancel it.

Unfortunately, I have plenty of first hand experience with no contact orders and have gone on to be an advocate to other victims of domestic violence, walking them through the process.

 

[lishac23]

Honestly I think LE knows allot more than they will release, JMOO

*following is straight forward, but crude...forgive me*

O most definitely... but sublimanly you get a sense that LE believes that they are already dead. You don't get a sense that they're making pleas to the public to be on the lookout for these girls "they could be anywhere". Statistically, in missing persons cases, especially children, they are found/seen/spotted by someone from the public. So I just don't understand why they are being so "I don't know what's going on...but don't worry."

 

[FrayedKnot]

It reminds me a lot of the Jorelys Rivera case. LE sounded like they had NOTHING, but they had a world of evidence against Ryan Brunn and were just playing it really close to the vest.

That case just broke my heart. She was just playing on a playground at her family's apt complex while her mom was napping a few hundred feet away.

She should have been safe. She wasn't.

And wasn't Ryan Brun on meth, according to his confession?

Bad stuff, that.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I believe the Methamphetamine history and connections-not simply past, but current, make all the difference in this case.

You may be right.

I swear if I another meth or bath salts related crime, I will have to get a cape and turn all Meth Avenger on these people!

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/07/19/aunt-defends-father-missing-iowa-girl

 

[nursebeeme]

He also would not say if any search warrants had been issued. On Wednesday Abben said none had been issued.

Read More: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...128-11e1-af57-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz216wWwH75

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[pferrin]

Honestly I think LE knows allot more than they will release, JMOO

Hi Passion I agree. They know allot more than they will reveal.. And I try always to keep in mind that LE does this work every day. Day after day. They are the experts at this work. Sometimes they have to use different psychology with each case to find the victims.

 

[KathrynL]

*following is straight forward, but crude...forgive me*

O most definitely... but sublimanly you get a sense that LE believes that they are already dead. You don't get a sense that they're making pleas to the public to be on the lookout for these girls "they could be anywhere". Statistically, in missing persons cases, especially children, they are found/seen/spotted by someone from the public. So I just don't understand why they are being so "I don't know what's going on...but don't worry."

I agree. I got that same vibe. Perhaps there was some kind of evidence in the area that both dogs tracked the girls to, and they believe they were dumped in the lake-which is why they are going to so much trouble to search it. moo