IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

[sarx]

True, not arguing at all...but conceivably, a dog could be able to indicate which day's clothing is the one it smelt?

If it was properly set up and controlled?

I certainly wouldn't put my name on those results, but there are some who would, way too many variable IMO.

 

[Truman]

This witness is all over this case.

He's contacted LE several times apparently, and some of his statement's don't mesh with what we know.

Am I correct in believing he is the ONLY witness who actually saw the girls at the lake?

No, he did NOT see the girls. He saw two empty bikes on the trail.

 

[Wondergirl]

Agree 100%. We now have documented THREE different times that he contacted LE, AND he also put himself at the scene, right around the time they went missing.

One correction though -- he claims he did NOT see the girls, only their bikes.

See OR hear the girls.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I just watched the webcam video of the girls on bicycles. I agree that it appears that, especially the first rider, is wearing a dark backpack (which could be the "purse" they are referring to), and I agree that it looks as if a similar dark item appears lower down on the second rider that might or might not be her leg or shorts. If they were both carrying packs of some kind...they may have been running away or something. I tried to capture frames with my iphone off the computer, but they aren't really as conclusive as watching the video on fullscreen several times. MOO

Thanks Sunlight, I'm having a dickens of a time making the vid out.
I appreciate your review.

 

[SapphireSteel]

LE are still looking for the paddle boater right?

Did TG mention the paddle boater?

It's so hard knowing which news source is the most credible from way down here...

I remember LE stating the girls were seen at 12.15 but TG swerved around the already dumped bikes only 5 minutes later, the timing is far too tight for me.

Unless of course I've got the times wrong?

TIA.

 

[Wishbone]

This witness is all over this case.

He's contacted LE several times apparently, and some of his statement's don't mesh with what we know.

Am I correct in believing he is the ONLY witness who actually saw the girls at the lake?

From what I know, he only saw the bikes laying on the trail. He never saw the girls.

 

[princesspjs]

This witness is all over this case.

He's contacted LE several times apparently, and some of his statement's don't mesh with what we know.

Am I correct in believing he is the ONLY witness who actually saw the girls at the lake?

re: BBM - Not as much as a certain aunt IMO

 

[Marilynilpa]

This witness is all over this case.

He's contacted LE several times apparently, and some of his statement's don't mesh with what we know.

Am I correct in believing he is the ONLY witness who actually saw the girls at the lake?

You state "some of his statements don't mesh with what we know."

Can you be specific? I'm trying hard to understand why so many are focusing so much attention on this biker.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Someone asked on the previous thread whether Misty and Heather had been seen/interviewed together (presuming there were tensions between them). Answer:

Cook-Morrissey said investigators did not share any new information with her about why they believe the girls are alive, but told her they were confident the case would be resolved.

She said she also met Monday morning with the Collins' family. She called tension within the family as "very normal" in a case where relatives have fear and stress but no answers about what happened.

A spokesman for the Collins' family, Craig Ceilly, emphasized that Heather and Drew Collins have been "cooperating 300 percent from day one" with investigators as they live through what he called their worst nightmare.

"Anything they can do to help they will do and they are doing willingly. I cannot speak for Dan and Misty," he said. "I don't know what they are doing. I don't have a clue, nor do Heather and Drew. They don't want to know. All of a sudden when the media started looking at their past, it took a turn for the worse."

http://www.twincities.com/ci_21137380/police-seek-paddleboater-missing-iowa-cousins

 

[epiphany]

http://www.twincities.com/ci_21137380/police-seek-paddleboater-missing-iowa-cousins

Cook-Morrissey, 34, said she was told she passed Monday's test after last week's came back inconclusive. She said the examinations were stressful for her since she has anxiety disorder, which made it hard to stay calm and may have contributed to the earlier inconclusive result.

Cook-Morrissey said Monday's test and a meeting afterward with investigators over doughnuts went a long way toward easing tensions between her family and the police.

"You could say we made peace today," she said. "We looked at some pictures. We talked. It went really well. I think they are trying a lot harder than I was feeling the last few days."

 

[Truman]

Please feel free to correct me, but the very first post I can find about Ted G the cyclist/biker was on Sunday, 7/14 at 10:45 pm. In thread 1, #130 Wondergirl said:
"According to a poster on the Facebook Group, the girls bikes were seen on the Gilbertville to Meyers Trail just prior to 12:27 pm on Friday, the biker did not see or hear the girls at that time, the tip was called in to LE, fwiw."

BBM: Huh? Isn't this the Cedar Valley Nature Trial they're talking about or are they confusing it with the trail at Meyer's Lake.

Can someone please clarify "Gilbertville to Meyers" vs. "Cedar Valley Nature" trails?

 

[Kamille]

That's correct, Truman, the poster on the FB Group (I believe Ted's daughter whom he had phoned), was concerned THAT DAY, on July 14th, and wanted the family to know the information, thus, she posted on FB so the family would know the information.

Totally NOT hinky at all, IMO. Gut instinct, nothing else.

And it may have been his daughter who phoned that information in to the tip line over the weekend and no one had gotten back to them yet. And when TG heard about all the commotion, probably on the fb page, he himself rode back down to the lake on Monday to speak with LE who were there. And they probably told him to make a report at the PD which was right up the road. Probably because they were off duty officers who were searching through the tall grass and probably because he didn't see the girl's bikes at all but rather two bikes dropped somewhere else on the path.

MOO

 

[nikb]

From what I know, he only saw the bikes laying on the trail. He never saw the girls.

Do we know if it's even been confirmed those were the girls' bikes? LE and the media both seem to think so but I don't remember seeing an actual confirmation. I know I said it several threads ago but I wouldn't even bat an eye at seeing kids' bikes laying around in the road, sidewalk, etc. I probably wouldn't even notice most of the time. Having to swerve around them would at least get my attention, but still not enough to consider it anything suspicious.

Just a gut feeling but it seems to me like his report is just about like what LE is asking for now, people to report anything they might happen to remember that day. He just called sooner.

I could be totally wrong of course... just my thoughts.

 

[vasportsmom]

You state "some of his statements don't mesh with what we know."

Can you be specific? I'm trying hard to understand why so many are focusing so much attention on this biker.

I can't bold on my phone (am I missing something in Tapatalk?) but I don't understand all the attention on the biker either. In one breath we (collective) are begging for this paddle boater or anyone else that was there to come forward and in another we (again collective) are ripping apart the one person that has came forward. Is it any wonder private citizens want no part of these investigations?

I would never tell anyone how to post but I just wish we could keep these things off the boards. There is nothing wrong with sleuthing on your own and keeping notes but we know locals are reading here and we could be scaring off the very witness LE is looking for with these sort of posts. Just my 2 cents and I'll shut up now.




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[SapphireSteel]

You state "some of his statements don't mesh with what we know."

Can you be specific? I'm trying hard to understand why so many are focusing so much attention on this biker.

I'm asking for confirmation as so much seems to be shifting in this case...one minute it's x time, the next it's a different time altogether...

Originally I had believed that the last confirmed sighting LE felt was 100% credible was via videotape at 12.15 when they were actually riding down the street.

Then TG reported he swerved around the ALREADY DUMPED bikes five minutes later...as I explained in an earlier post, I'm not sure which news source is the most credible from way down under so I'm asking for confirmation from local posters.

If these times are correct, there is no way on Gods earth the girls had enough time to ride to the lake, dump their bikes, meet their abductor, be snatched and driven away without a trace (of even an abduction vehicle), all in five minutes.

IMO.

:moo:

 

[Starling]

Thanks Sunlight, I'm having a dickens of a time making the vid out.
I appreciate your review.

Would you care to share the link to the video you are watching?

Thanks

 

[Truman]

Do we know if it's even been confirmed those were the girls' bikes? LE and the media both seem to think so but I don't remember seeing an actual confirmation. I know I said it several threads ago but I wouldn't even bat an eye at seeing kids' bikes laying around in the road, sidewalk, etc. I probably wouldn't even notice most of the time. Having to swerve around them would at least get my attention, but still not enough to consider it anything suspicious.

Just a gut feeling but it seems to me like his report is just about like what LE is asking for now, people to report anything they might happen to remember that day. He just called sooner.

I could be totally wrong of course... just my thoughts.

It's never been confirmed in anything I've seen that those were the girls' bikes.

 

[Kamille]

Do we know if it's even been confirmed those were the girls' bikes? LE and the media both seem to think so but I don't remember seeing an actual confirmation. I know I said it several threads ago but I wouldn't even bat an eye at seeing kids' bikes laying around in the road, sidewalk, etc. I probably wouldn't even notice most of the time. Having to swerve around them would at least get my attention, but still not enough to consider it anything suspicious.

Just a gut feeling but it seems to me like his report is just about like what LE is asking for now, people to report anything they might happen to remember that day. He just called sooner.

I could be totally wrong of course... just my thoughts.

BBM

I don't think LE think so. Abben wasn't even aware of the report. Obviously he is not given all information that comes in. Perhaps TG's information was not considered crucial because it has been determined that it was not the girl's bikes that he saw.

But we do know now that there was a runner/jogger at the lake that day who absolutely did see the bikes. Obviously they have been told not to go to the media with this info. And so there is a concrete time that LE do know that the bikes were there prior to 4pm.

MOO

 

[SapphireSteel]

It's never been confirmed in anything I've seen that those were the girls' bikes.

The fact they drained the lake and didn't rush off in an opposite direction altogether?

Plus no one in the family said "uh uh, they aren't our girls bikes"

Plus, they were taped riding the bikes?

Dunno, maybe the Investigators are smart enough to confirm it without actually declaring it?

If they weren't the girls bikes, are there two MORE missing bikers?

 

[Kamille]

It's never been confirmed in anything I've seen that those were the girls' bikes.

TG may have seen two small children's bikes. We know now that at least one of the bikes was a larger bike. Might even belong to Elizabeth's older brother and therefore be a boy's/man's bike. TG would have no idea what the bikes looked like. I think another reporter should contact TG to get the story straight about what he saw and where he saw it.

MOO