IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

[Athena12]

Did Aunt Tammy take a polygraph? When she was interviewed by Anderson Cooper, she said she hadn't taken one but would be willing to...anyone know if she's had one yet? Not pointing any fingers at her, just curious!

 

[TxLady2]

The man said "LITTLE girls?" I wouldn't call Lyric and Elizabeth little. To me, little means 4 or 5. Lyric is a tween and weighs as much as most adult women. Elizabeth is smaller, but I still wouldn't call an eight year old little. Maybe he saw different girls.

Not so odd, many adults refer to kids that way even if they're 12. I would call an 8 yr. old a little girl, and depending on their size, maybe a 10 y.o. I tend to morph into saying "young lady" or "young man" when they're almost teens, but again, that depends on the child. My grandfather called me a "little girl" when I was in high school. I don't think he stopped referring to me as little until I had my first son.

 

[Soulmagent]

anic:

Please Help...lease:

OK, this has been driving me crazy…

FBI said the evidence they found on Friday lead them to believe the girls were alive.

Now, at first I fought, they were saying because they were not in the lake that they thought they were alive,

HOWEVER, when a reporter asked what that evidence was he said we could not comment on that,

BUT IT had been sent to the crime lab.

NOW, what in the H*ll could that Evidence have been that would make them think they are alive…

ETA: They also were Handing out flyers and stopping cars on friday along with scanning the lake...

What could it be!!!!?????

A ransome note?

 

[Athena12]

Last night, someone posted a link to a Daily Mail article about the Morrissey's criminal records. According to the article, Misty spent six days in jail in 1997 for filing a false police report. Does anyone know the details of this incident?

 

[TxLady2]

I agree that it's not the most likely scenario but it would work better than some of the abduction attempts I've been reading about.

As for Aunt TB's "stranger danger" instruction... maybe.

There's plenty of evidence that kids who have received extensive "stranger danger" training are incredibly easy to fool. There's also evidence that many victims (not just children) freeze up and become compliant as soon as they are accosted.

I don't know of any way to predict in advance who will react by taking action and who will freeze up. If there were some way to figure it out, I am absolutely certain the military would love to find out about it. Estimates are that only about 10% of soldiers on the field of battle shoot to kill. The vast majority do not want to kill another human being even though their own lives are in danger.

And that's after a lot more training than Aunt TB could possibly have given the girls.

For a real life example, here's the cctv tape of Carly Brucia, 11 years old, being abducted:

Carlie Brucia Abduction - YouTube

Carly's family was certain that their child knew to fight, knew not to go anywhere with a stranger, etc. But as you can see on the tape, she definitely didn't look happy but she went right along with Joseph P Smith when he grabbed her arm and led her away.

That is by far not the only example I've read of but it's the one with the clearest videotape of the encounter.

True! Even adults are unpredictable when it comes to being accosted... one never can be sure what they will do until they're faced with it. And young girls like these two could be thinking that because there are two of them, they're relatively safe. I bet you wouldn't find one child out of a group of ten who actually worry about being kidnapped. Their minds are on the here and now, not the chances of things that COULD happen.

As for using a puppy to lure children, it's been done more than once, I'm sure. How many kids can resist a happy little tail-wagging puppy? And if you were a predator and looking for your next victim, you wouldn't think twice of the extra effort of finding and putting one to use. In their minds, it wouldn't be a problem, considering the "rewards" they will have later. When you consider some of the elaborate plans that serial killers make and carry out, just to find and take their next victims, what would 15 minutes of training a puppy mean to a child predator? Not much trouble at all.

 

[Thinkzerz]

I posted still pics on post #82 on this thread yesterday about how it looks like at least the first bike/girl in the video has a backback on and it kinda looks as if the second bike/girl does too. If they are wearing backbacks and you add the call from Elizabeth to it all, maybe They did have plans to run away but Elizabeth being 8 years old is home sick and reaching out to her dad. "IF" that call was not really made before the girls disappeared? I find it hard to believe that the dads cell is the item of interest for testing as some of you have mentioned. Wouldn't police want dad to have that cell phone in case she calls again, again IF the call was made after the girls disappeared.

How can police have evidence other then a call/text that the girls are alive when the girls had nothing to leave as evidence? Only clothing and well lets face it IF clothing was found that would not mean they are alive? JMO

 

[TGIRecovered]

Agreed. Where they tend to sit waiting for the next generation. The grandchildren take it for a spin and realize a cardboard box would be faster and more navigator friendly so it returns to its upside down position on the shore.

I wonder if this lake is patrolled and if residents register their boats?

I'm honestly not sure if a paddle boat would have been a good lure? When I was their age, decades ago, I would not have been interested. A jet ski....maybe? I really think they are looking for a witness. Today there are some pretty incredible water toys and watercraft and I don't think the paddle boat really competes. Unless the girls just wanted water transportation.

I still wonder if they were perhaps making a "delivery" for someone they knew. They were out riding, a family friend offers them a few bucks to run a little errand and then they ran into trouble.

When I was a kid it was not unusual for someone who had run out of dock space to use a brick and sail rope to anchor a boat for a weekend.

(BBM)

Lots of possible reasons to ask a kid to deliver. #1 would be so the adult doesn't get caught doing it. Other possible reasons could be:

Adult is at work and can't leave.
Adult has no car and it is too hot to walk.
Easy to convince a kid they will be the one in trouble if they tell.
Adult asking them to deliver is actually setting kids up to be taken.

Please don't quote any of this as fact. This is nothing more than trying to figure out why the girls were at the lake that day.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Is there a link to the cell phone message that Elizabeth left her dad? Or does anyone know what she said?

 

[Thinkzerz]

Whats this about a backpack?|

“I wonder, though, whether they -- why they weren`t more concerned about leaving prints on the bikes or on the backpack, for that matter, because it seems very unlikely that, in the heat of the moment, they would have been able to wipe everything down, unless they were wearing gloves. But right now it does seem awfully suspicious.

http://www.examiner.com/article/missing-iowa-girls-were-bikes-staged-by-meyers-lake

Are they meaning the purse?

 

[hollyblue]

I was thinking the exact same thing! My grandfather used to have one at his lake house and it just stayed in the water tied up or dragged onto shore right by the dock. I got the impression they're pretty heavy. So unless the lake has a place to rent, I'd think you just start circling the neighborhood.

The lake has a boat dock, so it could be someone who brought the paddleboat along for the day. Yes, the old models were much heavier and cumbersome, but they are very light today considering. My question is...why are we not hearing about the color or how many people were in it?
This is only from the net, but they have them from baby size for a child to use in a pool to much more elaborate with canopies, etc.

 

[CoachSue]

Sorry if this has already been posted... but this is the top story on one of the local news sites. Dubuque is about 80 miles from Evansdale. Could this be connected?

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

 

[otto]

I'm wondering if police are simply being cautious in terms of what they release. Until the lake was drained, they were not prepared to report that the girls were abducted. They were only prepared to say that they were missing. After they ruled out the possibility of drowning, then they released a statement saying that they were abducted. Now that they believe the girls were abducted, they have no evidence indicating that they are not alive ... so they report that they believe the girls are still alive until evidence indicates otherwise.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Sorry if this has already been posted... but this is the top story on one of the local news sites. Dubuque is about 80 miles from Evansdale. Could this be connected?

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

I don't know if they might be related or not but with reading how many kids go missing these days, i won't let my kids walk even to school with their friends. Friends say i am reading to much and to let them walk to school with their friends. No way is that going to happen.

 

[raeann]

Whats this about a backpack?|

“I wonder, though, whether they -- why they weren`t more concerned about leaving prints on the bikes or on the backpack, for that matter, because it seems very unlikely that, in the heat of the moment, they would have been able to wipe everything down, unless they were wearing gloves. But right now it does seem awfully suspicious.

http://www.examiner.com/article/missing-iowa-girls-were-bikes-staged-by-meyers-lake

Are they meaning the purse?

Please remember that examiner articles are NOT main stream media, these articles are written by random people who compile their "information" from articles and shows that they have read or watched. They are not "in the field" reporters talking to LE or witnesses. The information they include may be correct, incorrect, misconstrued, or even complete assumption and conjecture.

jmo

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I am pretty sure we would have already heard about it, but wondering if Lyric and Elizabeth attended any sort of day camp/church camp this summer. In that case, camp counselors would need to be talked to. Of course LE would be on top of that.

Here where I live, paddle boats are usually seen at small lakes where you pay to take them out and they are mostly 2-seaters and require 2 people. I went out once in one and was worn completely out by the time we went just a short distance and back again. If we are considering that a paddle boat of this type could have been involved in the "little girls'" disappearance, I don't see it, but maybe it was said by the "Ted person" that around the time he saw the bikes he thought he saw a paddle boat. This would possibly mean LE just wants to see if the paddle boat "paddlers" noticed the girls anywhere or anything unusual.

It has been my own personal experience that the older I get, the more I call girls, even teens, little girls. My mother once told me that when I was in my early 20s, my grandmother asked her (about me and my cousin) "when will they start to look like women instead of little girls". Guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

One question I have, is has it been brought out if Aunt Tammy has any children. The only reason I ask is that she seems to be the only one looking into the camera and speaking directly to Elizabeth and Lyric in any of the interviews. Seems like such a sweet "Auntie" in my own opinon.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Please remember that examiner articles are NOT main stream media, these articles are written by random people who compile their "information" from articles and shows that they have read or watched. They are not "in the field" reporters talking to LE or witnesses. The information they include may be correct, incorrect, misconstrued, or even complete assumption and conjecture.

jmo

Thanks and does that mean i should delete the post?

 

[TGIRecovered]

Sorry if this has already been posted... but this is the top story on one of the local news sites. Dubuque is about 80 miles from Evansdale. Could this be connected?

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

:what:

Yikes! He opened the side door of the van after he pulled over on the wrong side of the road. He got out, told her she was pretty, shook her hand then touched her face!!!

If she had not slapped his hand away and ran this child would surely have been thrown into the van and disappeared! (MOO the dissappeared part!)

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

 

[Unscripted]

Is there a link to the cell phone message that Elizabeth left her dad? Or does anyone know what she said?

Here’s the link to the KWWL story that includes Elizabeth’s voice message for her Dad:

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19081988/parents-of-elizabeth-collins-plead-for-release-of-girls

 

[Thinkzerz]

Just got a chance to watch yesterdays press with sound. The reporter was the one who mentioned the paddle boat not LE? Also this presser was not very promising as to if the girls ARE alive. UNLESS he is just trying to calm things down from the weekend presser where the LE/female had most of us being that these girls ARE alive. Very sad these girls just vanished. Keep your kids close.

 

[GGE]

Possibly the aptly-named Iowan eyewitness in our mystery novel DID see Paddle Boat Guy, going around in circles out on the lake. He was there at the same time. Gamerbinger at 12:20, PBG between 12-1.

For some reason this post gave me a bothersome thought.

One guy in a paddleboat WOULD go in circles, yes, my family has one.

So he'd HAVE to ask someone else to help him get to the other side of the lake. And if he (supposedly) wanted to get off the boat at the other side and stay there, he'd have to ask TWO someones to help him get there, so the TWO of them could get back to the original place (because, as noted, one girl would go in circles).