IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

[Thinkzerz]

Here’s the link to the KWWL story that includes Elizabeth’s voice message for her Dad:

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19081988/parents-of-elizabeth-collins-plead-for-release-of-girls

Why would a child phone her dad to say hi daddy i miss you, love you. With nothing else said? Was she away from her dad for a bit?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

:what:

Yikes! He opened the side door of the van after he pulled over on the wrong side of the road. He got out, told her she was pretty, shook her hand then touched her face!!!

If she had not slapped his hand away and ran this child would surely have been thrown into the van and disappeared! (MOO the dissappeared part!)

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

This really is so horrifying to me. Way back in around 1977 when I was pregnant, (just barely and not showing), I wore my hair down and it was down past my waist. While grocery shopping alone at a local Kroger store, this 20-something guy walked up to me and said something like, "I am a hairstylist for the local live theater and I have to be able to put the actresses' hair up between acts very quickly"...and then said "can you tell me how you put yours up and can you show me how you do it" Well, I was really caught off guard, but thinking at the time, he was legit, I just grabbed my hair and said, "I twist it up like this and just pop a pin or two in it". Then....he said "will you come out to the car and show me how you put it up". Then I came to my senses and said no way. It took me until I was almost finished shopping for it to sink in what had just occurred. I should have found an employee, had them call police, etc. For years I have wondered if this guy ever actually went on to harm or kidnap someone. I now know I handled it all wrong, but it was in 1977, I was so young, in love, and so happily expecting my first child and I WAS also so very shy.

 

[Athena12]

Sorry if this has already been posted... but this is the top story on one of the local news sites. Dubuque is about 80 miles from Evansdale. Could this be connected?

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

I live in the Dubuque area and the Dubuque newspaper {Telegraph Herald} does not even have anything about this story on their website {nothing that I could find, anyway}. I had to find out about it from KWWL! I would like to think the local newspaper would be doing a better job of getting the word out.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe the man opened the door of his van to get his laundry out...it was in front of a laundromat. I don't think it can be assumed his intent was to abduct the girl.

 

[tlcya]

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Pass...-Test-Might-Give-Mixed-Results-163504416.html

In cases where a polygraph comes back inconclusive, Cpl. Horch says it’s most often the test-giver who makes the mistake. However, when done correctly, the detective said it is a useful tool for narrowing down your pool of suspects.

"People call it a lie detector. It's actually a fear detector,” Cpl. Horch explains. “The fear is being caught telling a lie or caught in a deception."

 

[Unscripted]

Day 12. Let this be the day that these giggly, sun-freckled girls are brought back to their families. Let this be the day that the words spoken by the FBI (at Saturday, July 21st press conference) come to fruition:
“We believe these girls are alive and we are not discouraged by the passage of time since their disappearance.”

Please let Lyric and Lizzie be delivered home safely so they can sleep snug-a-bug in their own beds tonight.

"FBI:We believe girls are alive"
http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[HeavenLeigh]

Sorry if this has already been posted... but this is the top story on one of the local news sites. Dubuque is about 80 miles from Evansdale. Could this be connected?

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

From your link: According to the family, 11-year-old daughter Kiersten Fort was in the 2700 block of Jackson Street in Dubuque just after 2 p.m. Saturday, waiting to meet a friend, when a white van pulled up beside her.

BBM
WOW! That's a strange coincidence. I think other cases of abductions (or attempts at least) or missing persons mentioned a white van.

 

[hollyblue]

Plus, Lyric hadn't been going to Elizabeth's house all summer; she'd only started doing that 5 days before she disappeared. Not enough time, I would think, for a stalker to have sussed out that one spot that would make an easy place to grab someone (child or adult).

RSBM: Is there something from the relatives of Lyric saying it was only the 5 days prior? I think Gma and Lyric had been going over there to help HC with the house and kids prior to MCM's job. Could be why Lyric has her bike there and not in Waterloo; unless she was riding one of the Collin's bikes. imo

Just a little ot: Where was MCM searching for the girls? Did she stay at the house in case the girls returned or was she out searching on her own? Same with DC. Was Heather by herself, have the other kids along, etc. Just trying to visulize......TIA

 

[dovebar]

Maybe the man opened the door of his van to get his laundry out...it was in front of a laundromat. I don't think it can be assumed his intent was to abduct the girl.

Having spent a lot of time at laundromats, I doubt this. People who go regularly have an orderly way of managing their loads. They don't pull across a road the wrong way, open their van, then tell strange kids how pretty they are, and TOUCH them.

This girl's instincts and training were right on the money and likely saved her life.

It does highlight a strategy by abductors of looking for unattended kids whose families are probably low-income and unable to hire private detectives, high-powered lawyers, and after-school babysitters.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Is there a link to the cell phone message that Elizabeth left her dad? Or does anyone know what she said?

message was played on a kwwl interview with drew and heather

Elizabeth telling her Dad she loved him and missed him it was left prior to the disappearance
http://www.kwwl.com/story/19081988/parents-of-elizabeth-collins-plead-for-release-of-girls

 

[TGIRecovered]

Maybe the man opened the door of his van to get his laundry out...it was in front of a laundromat. I don't think it can be assumed his intent was to abduct the girl.

The police chief seems to believe it was a kidnap attempt. Maybe I didn't do a good job of paraphrasing. Did you read the article?

The man called out to her as he was driving by, then pulled in front of her, facing the wrong way on that side of the street. Normal grown men don't walk up to 11 year old girls they don't know and touch the girl's face while telling her she is so pretty, especially when there are two kids missing from the area making the national news! (MOO)

If he had gone in to do his laundry I think that someone else would have seen him doing that and we wouldn't be reading about a kidnap attempt in the news. It takes a couple of hours to load, wash, dry and fold.

 

[Elley Mae]

message was played on a kwwl interview with drew and heather

Elizabeth telling her Dad she loved him and missed him it was left prior to the disappearance
http://www.kwwl.com/story/19081988/parents-of-elizabeth-collins-plead-for-release-of-girls

Evidently he didn't hear the message come in and only saw it there after she went missing. Every day at some point I say to husband "your phone is ringing" . He can't hear it when its in his pocket.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Evidently he didn't hear the message come in and only saw it there after she went missing. Every day at some point I say to husband "your phone is ringing" . He can't hear it when its in his pocket.

Strange that he wouldn't be looking for a message from the girls?

 

[Angleena]

Paddle boats have a rudder system to steer them, the expensive ones have a steering wheel, the cheaper ones have a steering handle in the middle - both devices turn a "fin" in the back of the boat to the left or right.

You have to be in pretty good shape to be able to manage a paddle boat alone. When my daughter was 12, her and I went out on a (4 seat) paddle boat. We had not problem getting out to the middle of the lake. It was a huge problem going against the current to get back to shore. It took us 30 minutes to get to the middle of the lake and an hour and a half to get back to shore. We were both so tired, I was looking for another boater to pull us in but none would stop when they went by. We ended up having to take turns peddling - so only one of us was peddling at a time (an no we didn't just sit there and go in circles).

It has been said that some of the residents along the lake have paddle boats. It is possible that a kid took one of those boats out and was not able to get it back to his residence so (s)he asked the girls to help. The girls drop their bikes, put the purse on the other side of the fence so no one would take it and get on the boat to help peddle it back. Once the boat is back, the girls would start walking back around the path to get their bikes/purse. Perhaps they met with the abductor as they walked back around to get their bikes. So maybe the place the girls were taken from isn't where the bikes were left, but somewhere off the road on the other side of the lake.

Maybe the paddle boat person isn't coming forward because they are a kid that wasn't supposed to be on the boat - the kid wouldn't want to come forward for fear of getting in trouble by their parents and it would be pretty scarey to be a kid and find yourself innocently thrown into this mess. However, if something like that happened, the paddle boat person may very well have seen something or at least seen which way the girls were walking when they went back to their bikes.

moo

 

[Elley Mae]

Strange that he wouldn't be looking for a message from the girls?

You know I just watched it again and yeah it is real strange that he didn't look at voice mails for 9 days. Maybe when LE is finished with the jailbird parents they can talk to the forgetful parents.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Strange that he wouldn't be looking for a message from the girls?

I'm sure LE would have telephone records and would know by now exactly what number and the exact date of the call from Elizabeth to her Dad

LE would have telephone records of everyone and would be aware of all incoming and outgoing calls


jmo

 

[Wondergirl]

11-year-old Fort said the man driving the white van was white with blue eyes. She said he had brown-blonde hair with some grey in it and was wearing a white shirt, blue jeans and work boots. She said he walked with a limp.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19093640/dubuque-girl-escaped-possible-abduction

 

[passionflower]

we had an experience with our 4 seat paddleboat with the rudder, and went to circles til we figured it out........LOL.

 

[Thinkzerz]

You know I just watched it again and yeah it is real strange that he didn't look at voice mails for 9 days. Maybe when LE is finished with the jailbird parents they can talk to the forgetful parents.

Also didn't LE take everyone's cell phones at the beginning or was it just Lyrics parents cell phones ?

 

[MotherOcean]

If I was going to abduct a kid, I'd just do it. No puppy required.

We have had several recent attempts by perps. to abduct children in our local area (not Iowa). The perps. have used some type of lure each time and the most recent one involved a miniature breed puppy. The little girl was 10. She said it was the cutest thing she had ever seen. This particular attempt was almost successful. The little girl's mother walked outside right when the little girl had followed the man and the puppy to his car. This was an individual but another recent attempt was made by a couple (male/female). I am pretty sure a puppy was used that time too!!!