IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

[CN2Souls]

:rant:


I am NOT knocking LE!!!

I really wish there was a manual for LE to go through a checklist of all the things they should check when A child goes missing.

It seems to me they just Willie Nillie around,

How many cases in cold cases that end up solved numerous years later where it is something like

The guy that wasn’t home when they knocked on his door they one time they checked house,

Or a tip that was called in to the Tip line 3 times and no one follows up on it.

Or even just things in recent ongoing unsolved investigations like totally not

talking to someone like a landscaper who had his truck at the school where Kyron Horman was missing from? They stumbled on to him by HIM coming
forward.

They should go door to door the first day WITH DOGS, and go back to homes that did not answer.

Check out every RSO and Their homes from top to bottom WITH DOGS
Every landfill and dumpster.

Like one big giant CODE ADAM. Shut the city down, sure it would take some time but,

The statistic show approximately 152 children are abducted by strangers every year,

(and you might say “that’s not that many”)

That about 12 every month

3 every week,

I do not like those odds.


:ashamed: OK I am Done...

 

[iamnotagolem]

I find it odd that Drew didn't get the message until 9 days later, but only if that is not normal. I would think with his child missing he would be by the phone nonstop. However, if there is limited reception, the voicemail may have just come through. Where we live I don't get cell reception, once I get to a place where I do I frequently get voicemails from days earlier.

But once again, if he knew that was the case and his daughter was missing, why not check his voicemail from a landline on a daily basis at least?

I don't think it's odd that she says she misses him and loves him, my 4 y/o says that almost every time she calls her Daddy. Sometimes she'll do it first thing in the morning when she gets up because she misses him since he's already left for work.

 

[Confusion]

How many kids phone home to say i love you and miss you? With no other words? Unless shes been away from home for a while? JMO

My neice's kids have been known to do that when the parent was at work (the messages have been left for both mother and father at different times.) Nobody has ever thought it strange with them. If the LE took the phones that first night and listened to all message, it might not have occurred to him to check old messages from before they disappeared.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I find it odd that Drew didn't get the message until 9 days later, but only if that is not normal. I would think with his child missing he would be by the phone nonstop. However, if there is limited reception, the voicemail may have just come through. Where we live I don't get cell reception, once I get to a place where I do I frequently get voicemails from days earlier.

But once again, if he knew that was the case and his daughter was missing, why not check his voicemail from a landline on a daily basis at least?

I don't think it's odd that she says she misses him and loves him, my 4 y/o says that almost every time she calls her Daddy. Sometimes she'll do it first thing in the morning when she gets up because she misses him since he's already left for work.

I thought her message to her daddy was so precious. It brought tears to my eyes. She sounds like such a sweetheart.

It reminded me of all the times our own kids called us just to tell us they love us.

All of our kids are in their 30s now and they still leave those kind of messages for me and their daddy.

IMO

 

[BlueIris]

Hadn't considered this angle, Considering. So you theorize that seeking the paddle boater/witness is to corroborate someone else's statement and that LE are not necessarily even sure said paddle boater exists.

Hmmm, gonna chew that one for a while. Food for thought. Thanks.

I hadn't thought of that as a possibility either - that's a great theory!!

 

[CN2Souls]

I kind of wish they would ask for anyone that was at Myers Lake that whole 5 days before they went missing to come in and tell them if they saw anything odd or out of place that week or if they saw the girls there before.

Never know they might have saw something...

 

[palaminodee]

what is the black hawk county jail website?
just want to check that

 

[hollyblue]

Does anyone have a link for images of the public searching for this case? TIA

If you google images, Lake Meyer, IA there's a bunch.

 

[KorCat]

I think there is a lot of info that isn't public. I think they must be close to finding the girls.

As I've said previously, I do not buy that someone who is missing a kid didn't see a voicemail from that kid until 9 days later. I'm just not buying it. Does anyone remember Falcon Heene? Sometimes when something seems impossible, it's because it is impossible.

 

[Gracelin]

what is the black hawk county jail website?
just want to check that

http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx

 

[nervous_nellie]

http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx

bh county jail

 

[BethInAK]

The man said "LITTLE girls?" I wouldn't call Lyric and Elizabeth little. To me, little means 4 or 5. Lyric is a tween and weighs as much as most adult women. Elizabeth is smaller, but I still wouldn't call an eight year old little. Maybe he saw different girls.

I would call them little girls.
Perhaps you have smaller kids so they seem big to you.

 

[tlcya]

anyone under 12 would be considered a "little" girl to me. Please don't tell my daughter that as she would be offended, lol.

I use the term little girl to refer to anyone under say 12 and the term girl to refer to someone in the age range from 12 or 13 on up to mid 20s, lol.

I think it is all relative to the age of the speaker as compared to the age of the spoken of.

 

[HeavenLeigh]

Does anyone have a link for images of the public searching for this case? TIA

LINK to photos: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...izabeth Collins - Lyric Cook-Morrissey -IA-/

 

[BethInAK]

IF he got his times right, he probably did.

In fact, I'm surprised he didn't notice the wheels still spinning.

:maddening:

you know, I ride my bike on bike trails around and I might be more inclined to notice the bike some kid left in the middle of the trail where I had to jam on the brakes to slow down and go around over, over a couple of kids off the side of the trail. Our trails are busy places with lots of people - I don't notice all of them.

 

[hollyblue]

That's a point - hard to tell at least for me. You think you've seen all your messages and then you discover you didn't but wouldn't LE look at the phones - that seems like something other people might do - even relatives or friends - if the parents are too distraught - maybe they were thinking they drowned at the lake and did not consider someone had them - hiding them - still I don't see parents involved in this mishap at all but that is just me - besides it is quite illegal to partake in this type of thing no matter who you are or for what reason.

If LE are leaving no stone unturned, then I would think they took DC's cell as well..? Seems LE would have found the vm she left and may have mentioned it to him?

 

[KorCat]

That's a point - hard to tell at least for me. You think you've seen all your messages and then you discover you didn't but wouldn't LE look at the phones - that seems like something other people might do - even relatives or friends - if the parents are too distraught - maybe they were thinking they drowned at the lake and did not consider someone had them - hiding them - still I don't see parents involved in this mishap at all but that is just me - besides it is quite illegal to partake in this type of thing no matter who you are or for what reason.

Yes I think the LE would look at the phone. That's why i think it's a crock.

I am not convinced it was there. or maybe it was, but listened to..? maybe it was not new.

Also Just because the parents are saying they passed the lie detector test and they just found a message doesn't make it true.

I am not saying the parents are at fault here, but I'm not saying they aren't either.

Just because someone says something, doesn't mean it's true is all i'm saying.

And I find it unbelievable that something like that was missed.

 

[tlcya]

If LE are leaving no stone unturned, then I would think they took DC's cell as well..? Seems LE would have found the vm she left and may have mentioned it to him?

I wonder if LE did find it but knowing by date/time stamp that it was from the day previous, assumed that Drew already knew of and had heard it therefore did not call his attention to it. If when LE examined the phone her message was listed as a new message and then was played and heard by LE it may not have been designated as a new message by the time Drew got his phone back.

Just thoughts.

 

[HeavenLeigh]

DC does not have a criminal record. Poster is thinking of his brother-in-law DM whose rap sheet has been the subject of many MSM articles.

Heather and Drew Collins, Elizabeth’s parents, have minor offenses in their backgrounds, an online check of court records shows.

BBM from this link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Lyric-Cook-Elizabeth-Collins-cooperating.html

Both sets of parents have criminal records. However Elizabeth's parents were minor.

 

[KorCat]

I wonder if LE did find it but knowing by date/time stamp that it was from the day previous, assumed that Drew already knew of and had heard it therefore did not call his attention to it. If when LE examined the phone her message was listed as a new message and then was played and heard by LE it may not have been designated as a new message by the time Drew got his phone back.

Just thoughts.

Most phones tell you if a message has been listened to or not.

maybe he'd heard the message before. maybe not.

If I were the LE I would purposely NOT comment on it. I'd let them keep talking.