IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

[jacy]

:rant:


I am NOT knocking LE!!!

I really wish there was a manual for LE to go through a checklist of all the things they should check when A child goes missing.

SBM

Brings to mind a case where two sisters went missing for over a week. They were finally found in a vacant house near their home. The house was checked the first day, but no one checked the locked closet where, apparently, they'd been asleep during that first search.

 

[princesspjs]

Most phones tell you if a message has been listened to or not.

maybe he'd heard the message before. maybe not.

If I were the LE I would purposely NOT comment on it. I'd let them keep talking.

Just jumping off of this post as it reminded me of something that happens on my cell phone.

If I'm in the middle of listening to v/m and get interrupted by another call or something going on at home where I just hang up my phone instead of going through the steps to 'mark it unread'........it will seem as if it is an old v/m that I've already listened to, even if I didn't hear the message.

Maybe something like that happened and the message just kind of floated around in limbo until Drew had a chance to go through all of his messages.

Did I explain that clearly? :blushing:

 

[KorCat]

Just jumping off of this post as it reminded me of something that happens on my cell phone.

If I'm in the middle of listening to v/m and get interrupted by another call or something going on at home where I just hang up my phone instead of going through the steps to 'mark it unread'........it will seem as if it is an old v/m that I've already listened to, even if I didn't hear the message.

Maybe something like that happened and the message just kind of floated around in limbo until Drew had a chance to go through all of his messages.

Did I explain that clearly? :blushing:

Maybe... maybe...

Next question - Why release it?

 

[princesspjs]

Maybe... maybe...

Next question - Why release it?

Perhaps to pull at our heartstrings and to keep us (the public) brainstorming and looking for the girls?

 

[iamnotagolem]

My concern is that on video he claimed that he didn't know he had a new message from EC, that he just discovered 1/2 hour before the interview. Either he is lying (reasons unknown) or it's unbelievable, IMO.

IIRC from the video he had an iphone, which shows you a little red 1 over the phone icon until you listen to the message. Maybe he had 73 voicemails and didn't listen to any of them prior to 1/2 before the interview. But with a missing child he didn't look through the list of voicemails to see who they were from?

I just do not understand. I wish I did.

 

[tlcya]

Maybe... maybe...

Next question - Why release it?

Up to this point, this story has been dominated by the Cook-Morrisey family legal issues and statements. Misty and Dan have been in the spotlight. Wylma (gramma) has been interviewed by press extensively. Aunt tammy has spoken repeatedly and at length with the press.

For the first week or so the story seemed to be about Lyric and her parents colorful history with the law. Elizabeth seemed sort of lost in this media blitz, mainly because her parents, Drew and Heather were noticably absent from the initial interviews and press coverage.

Now that Heather and Drew are speaking, after having to step forward the day that Aunt Tammy announced Dan and Misty had beeen advised to stop speaking to press and LE, perhaps they want to try and rectify the situation and "inject" more of Elizabeth into the coverage.

My question is - Why NOT release it??

 

[iamnotagolem]

Perhaps to pull at our heartstrings and to keep us (the public) brainstorming and looking for the girls?

I do not have an issue with them releasing the call and letting everyone hear this sweet little girl's voice. Even if it was from 3 months prior to the abduction. Hearing how much she loves her Daddy could convince an abductor to let her go. But why claim he hadn't heard it, if he had? If he hadn't heard it, why not?

 

[hollyblue]

Here is the link to the story about the three boys dying in the trunk. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/25/nyregion/25camden.html

also note that no one could say why the bloodhounds did not alert to the trunk right where the boys were last seen - personally I think someone put them in the trunk, an older teenager, but that is just my theory and not proven. I know that people love to use Bloodhounds but I'll take my Coonhound and truth be told, my coonhound that is now 11 years old and has much experience is really good at picking up fresh scent trails and he is my number one dog - every handler that works more than one dog, and I like using up to 4 dogs, quickly learns that each hound has its good traits - what the dog can do or can't do - and a person needs to use a dog that will pick up only the freshest trail every time and ignore the old ones - not something every dog will do. And maybe the bloodhounds sniffed around the car and was led away by the handler and the handler made a mistake, not the dog. Hard to tell.

Sorta OT, but do they use fox hounds as well for tracking? TIA

ETA: Nevermind........See that you do by #1054.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

LE and particularly parents want you to understand that their kids are people. They want you to know that they smiled all the time, laughed, liked games and the color pink. It humanizes them. People are more likely to be moved to react or come forward if they were sitting on information. Most people are good. Most people have hearts. I think that VM was put out there very deliberately to get someone to step forward with something...or for the perp to release them.

 

[epiphany]

Cook [Wylma C] said Lyric knew she had to return shortly because they were planning to leave to return to their home in Waterloo.

She said she expected the girls to come back for drink of water or juice as they always did on hot days.

http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...15658684/-/vm1lm8z/-/index.html#ixzz21Z8CdiKM

 

[palaminodee]

:rant:


I am NOT knocking LE!!!

I really wish there was a manual for LE to go through a checklist of all the things they should check when A child goes missing.

SBM

Brings to mind a case where two sisters went missing for over a week. They were finally found in a vacant house near their home. The house was checked the first day, but no one checked the locked closet where, apparently, they'd been asleep during that first search.

there is one, someone else posted it earlier on

 

[epiphany]

Who recently told us the girls rode their bikes all the time/often? And was that at a different location?

Grandmother Wylma Cook told The Associated Press Tuesday that Lyric and Elizabeth occasionally rode bikes while she was babysitting them at Collins' home in Evansdale but usually stayed close.

http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...15658684/-/vm1lm8z/-/index.html#ixzz21Z9IksMK

 

[princesspjs]

I do not have an issue with them releasing the call and letting everyone hear this sweet little girl's voice. Even if it was from 3 months prior to the abduction. Hearing how much she loves her Daddy could convince an abductor to let her go. But why claim he hadn't heard it, if he had? If he hadn't heard it, why not?

I have had many, many voicemails go unheard because of the scenario I described of being interrupted while I'm listening to them. I have no problem at all with understanding how a voicemail (or in my case many voicemails) have gone unheard because I just hang up the phone in the middle of one or when one first begins to play due to something else going on at the same time.

IMO there is nothing sinister or suspicious about this happening with a voicemail and I also don't think anything about it will help to find the girls.

IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[KorCat]

My question is - Why NOT release it??

well i agree it humanized the kids. I was thinking WHY THEN. if he'd found it 30 minutes before did he have time to vet this with the LE? should he do it? Hadn't it come up with they reviewed things? So did he really just find it 30 minutes before? the whole thing DOESN'T add up to me.

I'm all for humanizing them, but i guess a better question is "Why then?"

 

[Wanting2Help]

Investigators say there is one man in particular they want to hear from: a paddle boater who was in Meyers Lake the afternoon the girls disappeared. They're not calling him a suspect, they just want a call.

bbm

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...15658684/-/vm1lm8z/-/index.html#ixzz21Z9ekegs

 

[nikb]

<snipped for space>
I wonder if this lake is patrolled and if residents register their boats?

I still can't find out about pedal/paddle boats in IA but here in CA you don't have to register a boat that is "propelled manually." The closest I could come for IA was this: http://www.boat-ed.com/ia/handbook/register.htm which says that canoes, kayaks, and "inflatable vessels" 7' long or less (which I take to mean rafts without trolling motors) don't have to be registered.

 

[kytty]

A paddle boat seems like the least likely 'vehicle' if you will, to use in an abduction. If you have been in a paddle boat you know how physically taxing it can be to go even a short ways, and not to mention its possibly THE slowest way to travel on water lol. Also, there is no way you could conceal 2 children on a paddle boat. This just seems like some kind of red herring to me.

 

[Jules71]

BBM Yet again I will state that I find it strange the family did not yell for the girls nor did they walk around the 'small lake' to look for them. If LE were notified at 3 then an hour went by before first responders found the bikes while the family sat in the parking lot. STRANGE. IMO

I do too. If Tammy, Grandma, and E's brother were at the lake at 2:45 why didn't they find the bikes? If LE was there at 3 - why did it take them an hour to find the bikes?

 

[Jules71]

Maybe the voice mail from Elizabeth was sent after they disappeared and it is the proof they have that they are still alive. Maybe going on television with it was a plan by LE to communicate with the perp.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Thank you for posting that. I know we can't teach our kids to act to protect themselves but I showed it to my daughter anyway so she can see how easily it can happen and how quickly you have to act to have a chance. And try to balance that message with it not being the victims fault if they are overpowered or taken to by surprise ... I would hate if something horrific ever happened that my kids would think for a second they had failed.

I hope the FBI are right and the girls are back home safe asap.

Wow, what a wise parent you are!

It had never occurred to me to balance out the "it can happen to you all too easily" with a reassurance about guilt.

I think you are absolutely absolutely correct: bad enough if something horrible happens but no need to make it worse by feeling guilty about it.