IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #7

[Sere-nity]

I keep wondering why TG didn't see/hear the girls when he passed the two bikes.

If the girls stopped there seconds (because imo that is the ONLY way the time would work) before TG went through the area then one would expect that the rear tires would still be spinning -- especially on the mountain bike.

 

[Wishbone]

But who told us that the dogs had the scent by the lake?? Wasn't it Misty? Did law enforcement ever really confirm this? It was discussed at length in an earlier thread here.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said the reaction from the dogs Monday night indicated a "strong possibility" the girls had been at the lake, less than a mile from their grandmother's house where they were last reported seen Friday. However, Breault said because there were no confirmed sightings at the lake, authorities couldn't be certain.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/search-for-missing-iowa-cousins-yields-no-clues/#ixzz21eS07Z00

 

[winterrose]

But who told us that the dogs had the scent by the lake?? Wasn't it Misty? Did law enforcement ever really confirm this? It was discussed at length in an earlier thread here.

http://www.press-citizen.com/videon...wa-girls-Lyric-Cook-Morrissey-s-grandma-talks

 

[Shelby2]

Oh Shelby, just looking at that video with all the traffic, how easy it would have been for someone to spot them and go to where they were. When we were kids riding trails on our bikes, we didn't pay any attention to time or how far we went. There was a place back in the woods all the kids started going, it was over water, plus anyone could have followed us and we wouldn't have paid attention. Parents can say kids would never do this or that, but oh yes they can. Also nowadays kids having public facebook pages makes it easy for anyone befriending them, pretending to be a kid and meeting somewhere. So many possibilities here, it's easy to look at the trouble with Lyric's parents, but I think it's too easy. The girls were far from the house, and anyone had access to them, that's the frightening part.

I know..when I was a kid in the 70's! It makes me cringe when I remember how we put ourselves in danger, playing in the woods away from anyone's sight...
You are right, it is easy to look at the parents, mostly because their info is out there and it raises questions. LE could be looking at a POI now totally unrelated for all we know. I think it is unusual-especially since the FBI is involved-and how they stress the importance of a "Level One Neighborhood Canvas"-that some homes were not searched. It is SOP to rule out RSO's ASAP...but as for the rest of the homes, I just don't know. I just think there may be reasons we are not aware of, I mean there is SO MUCH we don't know about the investigation. I just wish they would come home.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If the last known sighting of the girls was at 12:11 (video), would there have been enough time for someone to abduct the girls, take their bikes to the lake, dump the bikes on the path and be out of sight by the time TG swerved to avoid the bikes at approx. 12:20?

I keep wondering why TG didn't see/hear the girls when he passed the two bikes. I wonder if one/both of the girls needed to pee, they went off the trail for that purpose and kept quiet when TG came by because they were embarrassed. That could explain why the bikes were there and why TG didn't see Lyric and Elizabeth.

But that still doesn't answer one nagging question - why would the girls have been there in the first place?

What bothers me the most is no one has come forth saying they saw the girls on the bike path. The bikes? Yes, but no sighting of the girls with their bikes there on the path anywhere that day.

I dont really know but predators can strike lighting fast. I just read a case where it only took a pedophile only 8 minutes to come into a home he had never been in and abduct the child in order to rape and murder her.

So if he abducted both girls he could have quickly tied them up somewhere or made them get in the trunk and then thrown the bikes out just little over a mile away. That wouldnt take anytime at all to do.

 

[Mjskit]

Jules you could possibly be right! But until a suspect has been arrested I wouldn't post my theory because this is open to the public. If you are right then there is a chance the girls are alive. If the perp reads your post he/she may kill them. I would just say I think I figured it out and if anyone is interested to pm me. You still run the risk of talking to the perp though, I would think. IMO

Congratulations! Do you work for the FBI? If not maybe you should. lol

 

[shefner]

Imo, the lake and the bikes being there is a diversionary tactic to distract from where the girls were really abducted. I now dont believe they ever went there nor had any intentions of doing so.

The answer is not between where they were seen on camera and the distance to the lake. Imo, it is from where they were captured on camera at 12:11pm and how far they would have gotten going in that same direction with the bikes being able to be discarded in the bike path around 12:20pm.

Imo, someone in the area saw them riding there bikes heading in the same direction seen on camera and saw no one was around and took the opportunity to abduct them.

I noticed in the video no one was out in their yards and the girls seems to be the only ones out there at the time.

It reminds me of Sandra Cantu's video. One minute she was skipping across the road and the next minute she had been kidnapped by Melissa Huckaby to be molested and murdered.

IMO

I would tend to agree with you here but I can't get past the fact that the dogs followed the girls' scents into the wooded area.

Leaving "staged" evidence is something we have seen in cases before...and as I have referenced several times (so sorry if I keep repeating myself!), FBI criminal profilers state that if a child is abducted and evidence is staged, it tends to mean the child is being kept alive --at least for a certain period of time. Of course time is always of the essence in rescue...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said the reaction from the dogs Monday night indicated a "strong possibility" the girls had been at the lake, less than a mile from their grandmother's house where they were last reported seen Friday. However, Breault said because there were no confirmed sightings at the lake, authorities couldn't be certain.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/search-for-missing-iowa-cousins-yields-no-clues/#ixzz21eS07Z00

With the bikes being found so soon after they disappeared their scents would still be on their bikes.

I am not convinced at all they were physcially there......just the scent of them on their bikes.

 

[GrainneDhu]

There seems to be a few people who were out & about during the early afternoon hours.either driving to or from work or appointments.or looking for the girls.even the girls themselves.unaccounted time.I'll even throw in napping.unaccounted cause unless your an infant no one is watching you nap.imo. All to end up at the lake by late afternoon.
I think the girls may have seen things they wer'nt suposed to see. In life and on this day.imo

How about an adult man who has his 16 year old son (Lyric's brother) with him while napping and no car?

 

[cluciano63]

If a stranger saw these girls, would he even know they were both little girls, and not an older person with a smaller, younger girl? Lyric seems to be adult-sized, even if she is only 10. (Not snarking, I was a big 10-year old, just never grew again after that.) And isn't one of the bikes much bigger than the other? Seems to be the person who took them would have to know that they were both little girls.

 

[JaimeInLA]

There are definitely two different videos. One from the auction house and one from the men's store. They just look similar because the 2 businesses are next door to each other.

But after watching that new, clearer video, I have to say.......O.M.G! What a craphole! Who lets 2 young girls ride around an area like that? There are a ton of trailers and sheds and dumpsters and even an outhouse. It just LOOKS dangerous! I know grandma had her hands full, but these poor girls should have at least been told to stay on streets with houses -- not ride in commercial areas. (I don't know if that would have even made a difference. I'm just a little stunned by the obvious poverty and industrial look of the area where they were riding. Ugh.)

 

[Sunlight]

Jax, as far as I know a firefighter found the bikes... upright, leaning against the fence.

Marilynilpa, the 12:20 time is only relevant if you count on TG's description, which LE is not including in their official timeline..at least not now

LE has "nothing" between 12:15 and 3:58 that they care to reveal.

 

[tlcya]

That is possible, though Tammy did not mention that on JVM-just that she had a 'gut feeling they were at the lake' so they all went there. See post below


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This is in no way bashing TB, but she has been very very vocal and present for the media, IMO perhaps too much so. I feel she sort of appointed herself as a family spokesperson during the couple of days when the Morrisseys were being advised not to talk to press or take any more LDTs. I think she has told and retold the events of that afternoon so many times and must wonder if, as days progressed, her story has "evolved" as she has given more and more detail and maybe some embellishment.

During the first days of MCM and gramma telling of the initial search it was described as going there because "hey, we've looked everywhere else."

Once TB began giving more detailed accounts of the initial search this business of "gut feeling" got mentioned.

I have followed many of TB's statements on JVM and NG during the several evenings she has been featured. I find TB to be a dramatic storyteller (something JVM and NG shows tend to eat up with a spoon IMO) and I feel this gut feeling statement was simple embellishment or something she has convinced herself of as days progressed.

During initial interviews on these programs with TB I saw no mention of the lake search being tied to TB or anyone's gut feeling.

 

[Shelby2]

But who told us that the dogs had the scent by the lake?? Wasn't it Misty? Did law enforcement ever really confirm this? It was discussed at length in an earlier thread here.

It is here-first it says family members, then that Misty said it-LE however did not confirm.
http://altoonaherald.desmoinesregis...arents-continue-believe-cousins-were-abducted

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would tend to agree with you here but I can't get past the fact that the dogs followed the girls' scents into the wooded area.

Leaving "staged" evidence is something we have seen in cases before...and as I have referenced several times (so sorry if I keep repeating myself!), FBI criminal profilers state that if a child is abducted and evidence is staged, it tends to mean the child is being kept alive --at least for a certain period of time. Of course time is always of the essence in rescue...

What was so strange about that is LE pulled the dogs off and made them come back so did they really feel the scents were correct? If so why pull the dogs back? I dont think they were sure they were getting scents of the girls in the woods.

I dont see this as staged. I think this is just where the perp decided to discard the bikes because it was convenient and a place where bikes would be common to see in the area.

IMO

 

[CN2Souls]

WHAT IF….
Grandma said the girls went for the bike ride at 11:30 am,
Could they have gone to the Lake at 11:30 am hung out there for a bit?
And the Abductors seen them there at that time,
The girls leave the lake about 11:50 am or so and then are seen on the video camera at 12:11-12:15 going by,
They abduct them after that and knowing they had been at the lake returns the bikes there.
Maybe they should see if anyone was following after on that video tape…

 

[tlcya]

With the bikes being found so soon after they disappeared their scents would still be on their bikes.

I am not convinced at all they were physcially there......just the scent of them on their bikes.

Following your line of thought further, IF the dogs did go from the bikes back towards the wooded area (allegedly around 500 yards) as described by TB perhaps the dogs were following the trail of where the bikes (scented with the girls fresh riding scent) were brought to the trail by the unknown perps.

 

[Shelby2]

Maybe a SAR expert could help us out here...

 

[Sunlight]

Gma did say they left at 11:30. It is somewhere on a video, but I think that time has come and gone and come and gone...I don't think she was too sure. Moo

 

[palaminodee]

There are definitely two different videos. One from the auction house and one from the men's store. They just look similar because the 2 businesses are next door to each other.

But after watching that new, clearer video, I have to say.......O.M.G! What a craphole! Who lets 2 young girls ride around an area like that? There are a ton of trailers and sheds and dumpsters and even an outhouse. It just LOOKS dangerous! I know grandma had her hands full, but these poor girls should have at least been told to stay on streets with houses -- not ride in commercial areas. (I don't know if that would have even made a difference. I'm just a little stunned by the obvious poverty and industrial look of the area where they were riding. Ugh.)

yes, I did a google virtual tour down Lafayette and very commercial, people coming and going all day, delivery trucks etc...so many possibilities of various walks of life seeing these girls