IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[otto]

GM has been quoted saying both, I still do not know which is accurate?

Does it matter when the grandmother or the parents last saw the missing girls? It seems to me that what matters is the last verifiable sighting of them. From what I've read, that seems to be at 12:15 behind a shop. After that, the next verifiable clue seems to be at 3:30 or 4 PM when the bikes were found. That's more than 3 hours during which anything could have happened.

 

[threecrazykids]

DM had the "intelligence" to run three meth labs and distribute meth with obviously some degree of success. So, I would not underestimate his ability to concoct a scheme to get out of the hole he is in.

Ok...fair opinion...but he got Misty's entire family on board too? Or are they (especially MCM) just 100% unknowing of these associates of DM?

Maybe I'm very naive but as dysfunctional as this family is (even in Grandma's words) I just don't believe there would be the united front we are seeing if they thought someone in the family not only had information, but was involved. ESPECIALLY Grandma...I feel she loved those kids DEARLY.

And really, it doesn't take a genius to run a meth lab - just someone who has resources/buyers. Meth labs are EVERYWHERE in the Midwest.

I think people like DM are trying to avoid cops at all costs, not find ways to bring them around.

 

[katydid23]

I was always told that it increases your want to, but decreases your can do.

Which is why it increases the perverse types of sexual outlets like and even assaulting younger people. If a guy feels unable to perform, hiring a sex worker, or molesting a young person, is an easier scenario sometimes.

As the victim of sexual abuse as a child, I have been in a lot of survivor support groups. the VAST MAJORITY of today's young victims seem to be victim's of perps who were high on meth or coke or crack. JMO

 

[IAM]

Can we get off the meth senarios, why isn't stranger abduction the topic? As I said before, there are many abduction attempts in Iowa right now.

You can discuss any scenario you like. Why try to stop discussions about meth when meth is a huge topic of MSM articles? Meth is why DM and MCM have criminal records.

 

[katydid23]

Does it matter when the grandmother or the parents last saw the missing girls? It seems to me that what matters is the last verifiable sighting of them. From what I've read, that seems to be at 12:15 behind a shop. After that, the next verifiable clue seems to be at 3:30 or 4 PM when the bikes were found. That's more than 3 hours during which anything could have happened.

I think it does matter when they left home on their bike riding adventure. The last sighting was 12:15. Was that IMMEDIATELY after they left home, OR were they out and about for 45 minutes already?

That is vital info, imo.

I think the window is much narrower than 3:30 or 4. If they girls knew they were supposed to be home by 1:30, why would they be just playing around riding at the lake from 12:15 to 4 ? I doubt they would be.

And Grandma began driving around looking for them at 12:30. She drove around town until 1:30, then they all began searching at 1:45. Nobody has a verified sighting apparently. Except for the POSSIBLE sighting of the bikes at 12:20ish.

So I don't believe they were out and about until 3 or 4. They would have been seen by more people in that case.

I believe they left Grandma's at 11:30, and met up with a 'friend.' Maybe at a home or a yard or at the lake even. Then they rode home to give grandma a quick glimpse of them, to give them more time to play around. Then they headed for somewhere quickly, and I think it went sideways immediately after they arrived.

 

[IAM]

Ok...fair opinion...but he got Misty's entire family on board too? Or are they (especially MCM) just 100% unknowing of these associates of DM?

Maybe I'm very naive but as dysfunctional as this family is (even in Grandma's words) I just don't believe there would be the united front we are seeing if they thought someone in the family not only had information, but was involved. ESPECIALLY Grandma...I feel she loved those kids DEARLY.

I don't think anyone has said that he got Misti's entire family on board. It would not be far fetched to believe he has some help, though, as it would be hard to pull it off alone...nah...impossible would be more like it. I havn't heard anyone try to put blame on the grandma.

 

[voxrock2000]

No doubt in my mind this was a personal message to DM for 'narcing' as his mother in law so eloquently put it. Organized drug dealers are ruthless, they deal in death for a living, one way or another. Look at that photo of DM leaning his head against the tree. He looks very tormented. I think the family was warned, thats why they were so quick to call the police last time Lyric was late. The family seemed to know something was going on. Why did they go to the lake looking for the girls if they supposedly never went there? Then why were they so sure they were not there? Why did they mention 'weapons' were used. I don't think this was a "local' job. Organized meth operations have people to protect their interests. Professionals.

 

[cindersoot]

Im just wondering if Meth was never mentioned, then would you be on a different scenario?

 

[katydid23]

Maybe and maybe not.

If we went and looked at all of the arrests in the sexual assault cases here, what percentage of the perps do we think were drug/alcohol abusers? I am going to say a majority of them.

 

[MotherOcean]

I thought she said they left about 11:30 and she saw them ride by at about 12:15. Didn't she include both times?

Yes, she did. I really think that was her statement from the beginning. I think reporters sometimes have very poor grammar and LE don't always parse their words in a way that will best communicate details to a concerned public. I'm not convinced she has changed her story about this but as usual, I will not be shocked to find out I'm clueless.

But it does sound like the timing around when they left to look for the girls has changed. Trying to figure this out...:waitasec:

 

[Confusion]

I don't think anyone has said that he got Misti's entire family on board. It would not be far fetched to believe he has some help, though, as it would be hard to pull it off alone...nah...impossible would be more like it. I havn't heard anyone try to put blame on the grandma.

I could come up with a plausible scenario with any of the family if it weren't against the rules (even the 12 year old.) Since that isn't allowed, I prefer to spend my time trying to come up with explanations that have nothing to do with family. If LE ever declares that one of them is a suspect, then all bets are off, but for now I'll go on the assumption that they're innocent.

 

[Portabella]

Im just wondering if Meth was never mentioned, then would you be on a different scenario?

I for one would say yes, but we take what MSM offers and we work with it.... MOO

 

[epiphany]

May be a lack of anything new to report. LE is not saying much. The family is not saying as much now either. It is like the calm before the storm.

IMO, GMother (WC) commented plenty today: both upon her son and son-in-law:

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Morrissey's mother-in-law, Wylma Cook, said Morrissey had been giving investigators information on other methamphetamine makers in recent months to shave time off his own possible sentence.

"Dan 'narc-ed' on a bunch of people," Cook said, using a slang term for telling police about other drug users and dealers. "Everybody knows that."

Cook said Morrissey had been expected to accept a plea agreement July 12, the day before the girls vanished, but decided not to do so because he was not ready to go jail. She said prosecutors had shaved his sentence from more than 45 years to 30 years and then to 10 years, with a mandatory five years behind bars, because of his cooperation.

Believe the Sheriff was quite clear in his comments today:

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"We're not ruling anything out with regard to the investigation, to include Daniel Morrissey's criminal history, his known associates, any prior or future criminal activities," he said. "We're not ruling out any of those."

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Father-of-Missing-Iowa-Girl-Due-in-Court-Friday-163986616.html

 

[IAM]

Im just wondering if Meth was never mentioned, then would you be on a different scenario?

I don't think it is the METH aspect alone that is making people look in that direction....but, the METH along with the odd behavior, crazy timeline, prior report of child missing, along with the evidence or lack of evidence, along with statistics, along with the timing of abduction to the court case, along with the supervised surveillance and walking out on LDT, along with refusing to cooperate with police...etc

 

[otto]

Found this little bit about the purse...


The girls' bikes are located along the bike trail on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake by an Evansdale firefighter. Elizabeth's purse, which contained a cell phone, was found nearby


http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...cle_18411a90-cd32-11e1-a656-0019bb2963f4.html

The purse was reportedly thrown over a fence. Jim, from CNN, posted here a week or so ago and said that the purse/cell phone were between the fence and the lake.

 

[cindersoot]

I for one would say yes, but we take what MSM offers and we work with it.... MOO

But we can't get stuck on it. We have to look outside the box.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I am woefully far behind but catching up. I totally agree with this.

The other thing that keeps nagging at me is it doesn't seem like Elizabeth's immediate family has much in the way of drug or legal issues and it doesn't seem like Gma does either. If I'm reading things correctly it sounded like Lyric's spent a lot more time around THOSE people than around her parents. This might be totally incorrect, but that's one thing I've been trying to figure out is where Lyric spent most of her time. If it even matters...

I don't think we can talk about that nikb.

 

[cindersoot]

The purse was reportedly thrown over a fence. Jim, from CNN, posted here a week or so ago and said that the purse/cell phone were between the fence and the lake.

This is why I think the girls were outside the fence, there is a boat ramp there.

 

[IAM]

But we can't get stuck on it. We have to look outside the box.

Who says we aren't? Why not share your scenario.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think it is the METH aspect alone that is making people look in that direction....but, the METH along with the odd behavior, crazy timeline, prior report of child missing, along with the evidence or lack of evidence, along with statistics, along with the timing of abduction to the court case, along with the supervised surveillance and walking out on LDT, along with refusing to cooperate with police...etc

Yes, THANK YOU for the great post. :goodpost: