IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[jacy]

I don't watch a lot of video clips, something to do with a slow computer, but the couple I have watched show Misty smiling.

I know I'm going to get bombarded here with cries of "everyone reacts different" but a mother who can smile while her baby might be getting raped/tortured/handed around as a freakn party treat, would not, under any circumstances smile, most especially two days after abduction.

It is a huge, glaring, obvious red flag for me that cannot be discounted, or explained away.

Mothers all over the world are alike. We would give our lives for our children, without hesitation. To think of our children in pain and fear is the most agonising thing a mother can ever, ever go through. It is far more painful than going through it yourself. There is no room or emotion left for smiley little chats with Anderson Cooper...every single breath of your body is devoted to praying and hunting for your child. This is a universal truth. The reason we are alive and posting on this board at all is because our mothers protected us, their mothers, their mothers mothers, and back into eternity...it is a basic human instinct to hunt and grieve for a lost child.

This is not occuring.

Further, it seems as though none of the family are cooperating...

Which is also unnatural behaviour for a family who believes their babies are lost, cold, being subjected to god.knows.what.

Add this into the FBI declaring on 21 July that they were still looking for live children, and it appears that perhaps Misty knows something we don't, which is almost always the case in these things...:banghead:

3:30 p.m. Saturday - EVANSDALE, Iowa --- Investigators still wouldn’t say they had any new leads Saturday afternoon, but stressed that they were “confident” both Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook-Morrissey are still alive.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault wouldn’t say what made them confident, even as statistics show that the longer someone goes missing, the less likely it is they will be found.

“We believe the girls are alive, and we are not discouraged by the passage of time,” Breault told reporters at the Evansdale Community Response Center SaturdayOfficials said no arrest warrants had been issued but wouldn’t comment on any search warrants.

Hindering the investigation, Breault said, was a lack of cooperation from “all” of the two missing girls’ family and friends. She wouldn’t release details on who that person or persons may be.

“It’s a roadblock,” she said.

Police will only say that “physical evidence” was found relating to the girls, but wouldn’t say if it was found by police, the dive teams or by the search dogs brought in to canvass the area near Meyers Lake, where the two went missing July 13.

Breault said investigators are still following every tip that comes into the FBI or the Cedar Valley Crimestoppers hotlines and that it was a “top priority for the FBI.”

"I can't stress enough that we truly believe the girls are out there," Breault said. "We believe someone out there has information."

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

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So why is there a lack of cooperation from EVERYONE? You know, they are actually not the important ones here, to be getting offended and defensive and storming out of interviews. All of this sort of behaviour detracts from what should be the main focus, finding the girls.

:moo:

I share your frustration. If my child was (can't even write it) I would be inconsolable. And when one of the news sites splashes Misty's photo across the front page, and she's smiling happily in the photo, it tells me we're not the only ones to notice her odd affect.

I think there is a strange disconnect there. In the video where she sits down with her drink while her MIL is being interviewed she seems, imo, very childlike. Even if there were no bonding, it is still confusing. I am miles away from these little girls and yet my heart re-breaks each day they aren't found.

 

[SapphireSteel]

According the July 24th update, the family is cooperating now.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_578c1212-d517-11e1-9c8f-0019bb2963f4.html

Somer Thompsin's mother also smiled when she was on camera.

I wonder what changed?

:dunno:

 

[GrainneDhu]

No one is clinging to LE, in fact they are putting up "roadblocks" in the words of the FBI.

In a story dated 24 July 2012, 4:00 am:

“I will tell you the cooperation is better than what it was. We are getting the cooperation that we are asking for so it’s getting better,” Abben said, while declining to comment on who had taken polygraphs.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_578c1212-d517-11e1-9c8f-0019bb2963f4.html

Do you have a link to a msm story dated after 4:00 am 24 July 2012 that says the family is not cooperating?

There was a period of about two days where DM and MC were not talking to law enforcement. They changed their minds, they've been cooperating as asked since then.

DM said something about not trusting his emotions when making decisions; I think that decision was probably an example of what happens when he lets his emotions take over.

He slipped, he recovered. He's cooperating now.

 

[SapphireSteel]

According the July 24th update, the family is cooperating now.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_578c1212-d517-11e1-9c8f-0019bb2963f4.html

Somer Thompsin's mother also smiled when she was on camera.

I did not see her so can't comment but I will guarantee it was more like a grimace.

It's not just the fact that MCM is able to smile, once...it's her entire perkiness, apparent enjoyment of the media, light hearted language, etc, etc, etc...not just one thing she's said or done, but ALL. OF. IT.

:maddening:

:moo:

 

[GrainneDhu]

According the July 24th update, the family is cooperating now.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_578c1212-d517-11e1-9c8f-0019bb2963f4.html

Somer Thompsin's mother also smiled when she was on camera.

So did Marlene LaMar, Sierra's mother. And people were all over it as some sort of indicator that she either somehow disappeared her own daughter or was covering up for her boyfriend's guilt.

Someone unrelated to Marlene LaMar is now awaiting trial.

Marlene smiled because no normal human being, no matter how much they love their missing loved one, can go about for weeks on end without experiencing a few moments of respite from intense emotion.

If they don't experience any respite at all, then they will break down, physically and/or mentally.

I do wonder if perhaps MC's bond with Lyric is more like a sister than a mother, since it appears her mother has had custody of Lyric since 2007 (posted in the first thread of the series).

 

[katydid23]

According the July 24th update, the family is cooperating now.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_578c1212-d517-11e1-9c8f-0019bb2963f4.html

Somer Thompsin's mother also smiled when she was on camera.

But did she tweet a picture of herself, smiling and laughing, at a bar, right after a vigil for her child?

 

[Ollipop]

I don't watch a lot of video clips, something to do with a slow computer, but the couple I have watched show Misty smiling.

I know I'm going to get bombarded here with cries of "everyone reacts different" but a mother who can smile while her baby might be getting raped/tortured/handed around as a freakn party treat, would not, under any circumstances smile, most especially two days after abduction.

It is a huge, glaring, obvious red flag for me that cannot be discounted, or explained away.

Mothers all over the world are alike. We would give our lives for our children, without hesitation. To think of our children in pain and fear is the most agonising thing a mother can ever, ever go through. It is far more painful than going through it yourself. There is no room or emotion left for smiley little chats with Anderson Cooper...every single breath of your body is devoted to praying and hunting for your child. This is a universal truth. The reason we are alive and posting on this board at all is because our mothers protected us, their mothers, their mothers mothers, and back into eternity...it is a basic human instinct to hunt and grieve for a lost child.

This is not occuring.

I have to say that I have seen mothers react in varying ways. I realize you know how you think you would react, but you have not lived the life that Misty has, you do not have the same type of bond with your children that she has with hers, etc. Add to that what I know of ppl who've used meth in the past - that they are "hollowed out" emotionally, almost incapable of experiencing either highs or lows - and I am not completely shocked at her affectations. That's not to say that it doesn't bother me, nor that I don't find it odd. It does, and I do. But to say that it is a "universal truth," that all mothers look, feel, and react the same way is simply inaccurate, IMO. Who was the mom that drove her kids into the lake and then wailed on TV about it? Who was the mom who's kids were eaten by dogs or something that showed no emotions whatsoever? They were moms, they acted different.
Just my opinion.

Further, it seems as though none of the family are cooperating...

Which is also unnatural behaviour for a family who believes their babies are lost, cold, being subjected to god.knows.what.

Add this into the FBI declaring on 21 July that they were still looking for live children, and it appears that perhaps Misty knows something we don't, which is almost always the case in these things...:banghead:

3:30 p.m. Saturday - EVANSDALE, Iowa --- Investigators still wouldn’t say they had any new leads Saturday afternoon, but stressed that they were “confident” both Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook-Morrissey are still alive.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault wouldn’t say what made them confident, even as statistics show that the longer someone goes missing, the less likely it is they will be found.

“We believe the girls are alive, and we are not discouraged by the passage of time,” Breault told reporters at the Evansdale Community Response Center SaturdayOfficials said no arrest warrants had been issued but wouldn’t comment on any search warrants.

Hindering the investigation, Breault said, was a lack of cooperation from “all” of the two missing girls’ family and friends. She wouldn’t release details on who that person or persons may be.

“It’s a roadblock,” she said.

Police will only say that “physical evidence” was found relating to the girls, but wouldn’t say if it was found by police, the dive teams or by the search dogs brought in to canvass the area near Meyers Lake, where the two went missing July 13.

Breault said investigators are still following every tip that comes into the FBI or the Cedar Valley Crimestoppers hotlines and that it was a “top priority for the FBI.”

"I can't stress enough that we truly believe the girls are out there," Breault said. "We believe someone out there has information."

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

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So why is there a lack of cooperation from EVERYONE? You know, they are actually not the important ones here, to be getting offended and defensive and storming out of interviews. All of this sort of behaviour detracts from what should be the main focus, finding the girls.

:moo:

Again, I think you are late to this game. Those quotes are from when Dan felt he was being accused and left an interrogation, and from when Misty and Dan both felt accused and had received legal advice to stop talking to both the media and LE. Since that time, both parties (LE and Misty/Dan) have acknowledged that they have talked, and LE has since said that the families are once again cooperating 100%. Recent reports in MSM confirm this as well.

Yes, there were moments in the last two weeks where LE didn't feel that everyone in the family was cooperating. Yes, there were moments in the last two weeks where everyone in the family didn't feel that LE was cooperating (the family was frustrated early on at LE's focus on/in the lake). But as of, I believe, a week ago, all parties feel that the entire family, and LE, are cooperating fully.

 

[katydid23]

So did Marlene LaMar, Sierra's mother. And people were all over it as some sort of indicator that she either somehow disappeared her own daughter or was covering up for her boyfriend's guilt.

Someone unrelated to Marlene LaMar is now awaiting trial.

Marlene smiled because no normal human being, no matter how much they love their missing loved one, can go about for weeks on end without experiencing a few moments of respite from intense emotion.

If they don't experience any respite at all, then they will break down, physically and/or mentally.

I do wonder if perhaps MC's bond with Lyric is more like a sister than a mother, since it appears her mother has had custody of Lyric since 2007 (posted in the first thread of the series).

I never saw Marlene as being detached or as grinning and or being light hearted in any of her interviews. I did not see as many people question her demeanor as are some are doing in this case. Maybe to a degree, but nothing like this, imo.

 

[hollyblue]

Is there a sign anywhere near Mr. C's street that says "Bike Trail this way"? Maybe the girls saw a sign about a bike trail and headed that way?

There are a few people living on Lake Ave in their 30's, so it might be one or both of the girls have a friend on that street? Wonder if they ride by themselves or if some other children do as well? Could be the reason they like that street. ?

 

[Wishbone]

But did she tweet a picture of herself, smiling and laughing, at a bar, right after a vigil for her child?

I saw Diena break down in tears many times.....She also feels very guilty as most mother's in her situation would.......


Diena Thompson broke down as she said that to TODAY’s Natalie Morales about the importance of telling your children you love them, a message she said she wants to impress on all parents.

“It takes just a couple seconds to tell them you love them,” Thompson said. “Tell them you love them because you don’t know what’s going to happen. And just make them aware of stranger danger. I tried with Somer. I feel like I failed — obviously.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33446804/ns/today-today_news/t/mother-somer-thompson-i-feel-i-failed/

 

[katydid23]

I saw Diena break down in tears many times.....She also feels very guilty as most mother's in her situation would.......


Diena Thompson broke down as she said that to TODAY’s Natalie Morales about the importance of telling your children you love them, a message she said she wants to impress on all parents.

“It takes just a couple seconds to tell them you love them,” Thompson said. “Tell them you love them because you don’t know what’s going to happen. And just make them aware of stranger danger. I tried with Somer. I feel like I failed — obviously.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33446804/ns/today-today_news/t/mother-somer-thompson-i-feel-i-failed/

Yes, I don't see a big similarity between these two, imo.

Somer's mom had a whole lot of passion and intensity concerning her missing baby girl. JMO

 

[ShyViolet]

Ollipop, when I google earth RC's address, it looks like he is on the corner of Lake and (would it be) Gilbert Dr. and his driveway looks to connect to Gilbert. Can you tell me what is across the street?

 

[hollyblue]

BBL. Have to cool my jets.

 

[Snufamonbobball]

:truce:

I think the one thing we can all agree on is the girls should be home. I think all anyone is saying, is not to have "tunnel vision"- leave no stone unturned, including a stranger abduction.

I usually don't get involved with posting on current missing persons cases, I follow them, but don't post. Things just get to hostile for me. MOO.

 

[Mimiof8]

Yes; in the first two days of searching, they had over 1000 volunteers turn out and they covered 12 square miles.

Yes but that was last done on July 16th. I can't find anything about searches after then. Has anyone else?

 

[GCP]

I've read a lot of posts in these past 8 threads discussing the different streets and routes the girls took on their bike rides. I'm 59 yo but I can still remember what it was like to get out on my bike and ride all over my small (8,000 or so pop.) hometown. When you're limited to a small amount of different routes to take you'd want to use them all. It would be awful boring to use the same route every time you were out riding your bike. Just because one way is shorter than the other doesn't mean much to a kid if they're just out riding. Going to the baseball field was pretty much an every day, several times a day, thing for me and my buddies in the summer but unless we absolutely knew there was a reason to hurry to get there, like a game we could join in, we would take any of 4-5 different ways and not just the shortest. I guess I'm trying to say it wouldn't surprise me a bit if anyone on any of those streets between Elizabeth's house and the lake said they'd seen them riding on their street on a fairly regular basis. JMOO

 

[cindersoot]

Yes but that was last done on July 16th. I can't find anything about searches after then. Has anyone else?

They need to continue the search again because, and I hate to say it, but the perp could have dumped there the b.....

 

[Mimiof8]

But, they need to do it again.

Yes, they do.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Yes but that was last done on July 16th. I can't find anything about searches after then. Has anyone else?

From what everyone keeps saying is that this town is small. So why not comb the whole town? If my kid was missing i would be all over this.

 

[Mimiof8]

Damn I wish you all wouldn't get so busy while I'm asleep! Or maybe the US and Australia need to match up our time zones....

anyway. playing catch up here.

I thought Tammy was a Cook.

If she isn't (or has never been) a Cook, how come she is Aunt to BOTH girls?

I believed Wylma was mom, Tammy, Heather, Misty and Jeremiah her children and there's at least 2 more sons.

Anyone?

I think that Wc is her mom but they have different fathers. So half-sister to all but still aunt Tammy to nieces and nephews. Info from the dental board document.