IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

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  • #341
Would you happen to know of a link to this statement and if it had been verified by LE. If this is true at least we can know that Elizabeth was safe the night before. I have not or heard this statement.

Here's the link...it is the assistant coach who is quoted as saying they had been with Elizabeth until 9:00 the night before.

http://http://www.kwwl.com/story/19115767/elizabeth-collins-softball-team-honors-missing-cousins

ETA: try this link, the above one isn't working properly.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19115767/elizabeth-collins-softball-team-honors-missing-cousins
 
  • #342
I don't necessarily disagree with you at all...just poking holes...I've thought all along the two incidents could be related in some way...still do. I don't know how Heather would react...I also don't know where Elizabeth was that other day or with who..? Did the police ever verify their return the first day...i.e., both other set of cousins...or just one? Good question.

It is killing me that I can't post my theory.

Think about it this way... what is the common thing among both "disappearances" - ? It was Lyric.

Suppose that, hypothetically, someone was planning to have someone kidnap Lyric, to frame someone else. This kidnapping had to be done before 7/13, because the person being framed would no longer be, um, available, after that time.

So the mastermind behind this plot tells his/her helper that it has to happen in the next 4 days. He/she says, do it while I am at work, but don't tell me when, so I can act surprised. So Lyric goes missing on/around 7/9. From Waterloo -- very close to the hypothetical helper's house. The mastermind thinks THIS IS IT and calls the police. But then Lyric comes strolling through the door, having somehow evaded the kidnapper. Darn! Now the mastermind/helper have to try again within 4 days.

The next time there is opportunity, Lyric happens to be with poor innocent Elizabeth. But time is running out, so the helper has to take them both. The mastermind is narcissistic enough to think nobody will every blame him/her, since there is someone else in the immediate family who is a MUCH bigger criminal.

Totally hypothetical. In my opinion only. Just trying to explain how the court date and the previous "missing" episode could be 100% NOT coincidental.
 
  • #343
Also...just now, within the last 5-10 mins, a co-worker messaged me on FB...he says that Wed about 1pm, while I was out of town, he was sittin in his house in W'loo, looked outside the window and saw cops everywhere, and suddenly they pounded on his door. They were swarming canvassing his neighborhood with respect to the missing girls. He says they weren't searching homes, just questioning anyone they saw, stopping cars, knocking on doors. They didn't enter his home, just asked where he worked, how often, and who else lived there. It was a bunch of cops in polos, mostly DCI, there were police vehicles roaming around, etc. They knocked on every door down his street. He lives between Randolph and Wellington on W 7th in W'loo, several miles from the lake. I have yet to be visited by any LE, and I live essentially across the street from the lake.

This is kind of comforting to me. It makes me feel that they are following some very specific leads, and may be onto something. I hope so anyway.
 
  • #344
Why was she looking for work at that Casey's when she has a job at the other Casey's? Hmm closer to where the kids are and the receipts are for whom has been there purchasing food etc as in my other post?
 
  • #345
Now the media had re-worded the article from earlier. Clearly the first article stated "he was suffering from drug abuse since the girls went missing and couldn't eat or sleep."

I do not like this statement in that article: he is very close to his nieces, considering them his "prized possessions."

http://www.kgan.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.ia/3d479fac-www.kgan.com.shtml


I'm a few pages behind but that is what I thought it said earlier. I was beginning to wonder if I had misread it. Thanks!
 
  • #346
Maybe they are looking at all stores in the area for who bought 3 energy drinks that day?
I agree, not many people who drink that stuff buy 3 cans to consume at one time, must have been for three people, or maybe drinks were on sale?
 
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Thinking outside the box here again. Was thinking that maybe the reason the FBI came in looking for receipts could be for these reasons.
They feel the kids are near this area and this is the closest store around, someone is feeding them? They also know from family what the kids like for treats. Looking for credit cards with certain names. This is IF LE is right and the girls are alive.
JMO

yeah...I was guessing that credit card receipts were different, and that they'd have had access to them already, but cash receipts wouldn't be traceable to any person.

However, possibly that was just the term the clerk used in regards to all purchases.
 
  • #349
Ollipop-
Did they say "cash receipts" or cash register receipts?

You can't get much from receipts where people paid in cash - except the items and times.
With credit/debit receipts, of course, you can get names as well.

ETA: Never mind - I see your post above this one.
 
  • #350
Why was she looking for work at that Casey's when she has a job at the other Casey's? Hmm closer to where the kids are and the receipts are for whom has been there purchasing food etc as in my other post?
I think when employed by stores or businesses like Casey's the management moves employees around to cover unexpected absence in each store? (stores within a certain area). I like the thought of checking for food purchases for feeding the girls...have to think more about that..
 
  • #351
Cash receipts?? I wonder what info could be gathered from cash receipts?:waitasec:

Cash receipts have a time stamp, date, and usually employee ID#
I manage a retail business. There would also be a record of all credit and debit card sales. There are ways to scam card sales. Just a thought. :moo:
 
  • #352
Ollipop-
Did they say "cash receipts" or cash register receipts?

You can't get much from receipts where people paid in cash - except the items and times.
With credit/debit receipts, of course, you can get names as well.

But hopefully the store still has their past surveillance footage, if they have cameras at all. If so, they can match the footage up with the cash purchases, and check out any strange or suspicious purchases.
 
  • #353
Ollipop-
Did they say "cash receipts" or cash register receipts?

You can't get much from receipts where people paid in cash - except the items and times.
With credit/debit receipts, of course, you can get names as well.

If they could pinpoint the time someone paid cash for those drinks, or something else that was found, then they could check surveillance video for that time.
 
  • #354
So do we know if they have video from the Casey's on River Forest? If so, maybe they see someone suspect on video and want to see what was purchased to match up with evidence that was found.
 
  • #355
yeah...I was guessing that credit card receipts were different, and that they'd have had access to them already, but cash receipts wouldn't be traceable to any person.

However, possibly that was just the term the clerk used in regards to all purchases.

Maybe they can be, if they use video to match the time stamp.
 
  • #356
Why was she looking for work at that Casey's when she has a job at the other Casey's? Hmm closer to where the kids are and the receipts are for whom has been there purchasing food etc as in my other post?

No, this conversation happened within 1-2 days after they were missing. Convo went like this:

Clerk: "How's it going?"
Me: "Uncomfortable. Two little girls are missing."
Clerk: "I know, police and news have been all over in here. And one of the girls' moms just came in a couple weeks ago to apply. I think she got hired at another Casey's nearby."

This was before I'd ever heard of WS, and I only thought of it because it was that same clerk who'd mentioned the FBI being in all morning yesterday. FTR, I'm at this Casey's several times/week. I know/recognize most clerks, and vice versa, they know who my kids are, what my car looks like, etc. I'd bet they've been questioned pretty heavily.
 
  • #357
Haha - we are all thinking the same thing about cash receipts and video!
 
  • #358
Looks like we all had the same idea
 
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I wonder if they are checking receipts at other stores, or just at that Casey's. Isn't there a Fareway grocery store close to the Collins' house?
 
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