IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[IAM]

Why take two girls? One perp would have a very difficult time controlling two girls, especially one as big as Lyric. It could be two perps, but how common is that? But, if the purpose was to hide a child, taking two girls might make more sense.

1. Two girls could take away the idea that one particular girl was the target.
2. Two girls could keep each other company for a long hideout period.
3. Two girls was the only way to get the one girl that needed to disappear.
4. And, I will throw this on in there even though I don't want to. Two girls could have been injured/accidentally killed together at same time.

 

[lablover1]

Do any of the locals remember if there is a "House for Sale" sign on the lawn?

Don't know if this was answered yet but yes there is a for sale sign in the yard.

 

[Nvgirl]

I am looking for this story abt a girl in arizona where they kidnapped her and put her in a sex trade home. But they are that age where puperty hits and stuff. I personaly think it was for sexual encounters :,-(

 

[Confusion]

I'm curious to see if they get anything helpful from the ATM's video. I've been wondering if the bikers on the others are even the girls, as grainy and out of focus as it is, it's hard to tell. WC said the girls left about 11:30, and it seems like she was feeding the little kids. It's possible that 2 kids on went by on bikes at 12:15, and she assumed it was them if she saw them. Being distracted by a couple kids as young as Elizabeth's little sisters could cause a mistake like that. I'm wondering if the girls were on it, or if anyone else was.

If that were the case, it would give the girls close to an hour to get to the lake, drop their bikes and be out of sight before TG came by. They could have run across someone parked in the blind spot and interrupted something going on there. The 'someone" could have just gone and moved their bikes (for who knows what reason) and left with the girls in their vehicle (white van!)

I had to leave for a while today, and I ended up skimming a lot of posts to get caught up, so I apologize if they've already said what, if anything, they found on the ATM video.

 

[Thespyma]

Sometimes even if a couple is divorced, there is still a proprietary attitude towards each other if they've had children together.
My hubby and I have been married going on 30 years, and he and his ex were only married for about 8 years, but she still acts sort of possessive of him when we are around, which is not very often, thank God. It irritates the you-know-what out of me, and it even bothers him somewhat, but not really much I can do about it. They had children together, so there is a bond there that will never go away.
I think sharing a child who goes missing might intensify that bond a little bit.

This is true. When a child is missing, lost of very ill, a couple will either come together more or fall apart. Even when divorced or separated, the child's parents tend to focus on the child which can lead to a slight amnesia of the reasons they are not together.
I have an ex and when my son at age 3 became critically ill we came together for him. When, after 3 years he was on his way to complete recovery, we went back to normal and cordially detached ex status.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I hate to be the one saying this, but does anyone remember Dustin Honken?

http://wcfcourier.com/news/breaking_news/article_f2f63082-56b5-5d09-ad98-a41fd75eed79.html

Thanks for your post, I was unfamiliar with that case. It brings up some scary thoughts regarding this case.

 

[Truman]

Because they had a very small window of opportunity. They had to make this happen before the end of the day on 7/13, when Dan was scheduled to go to court/report to jail. If they wanted to frame him to make sure he went to prison for LIFE (not the measly 5 years he got by ratting them out!), then they had to grab her that day.

Remember the timing, and try to think like a criminal. His 2 accomplices had their hearings the previous day. So on the 12th, they kept up their part of the bargain. They plead guilty and took their sentences like men. Then on that afternoon, they find out that Dan ratted out a bunch of people in their network, and somehow managed to get an even SWEETER deal than they did. (At this point, nobody knows he will reject the plea.) They are pissed! What a rat! So they call him the night of the 12th and say "We're going to grab your kid, you rat." On the morning of the 13th, he tells his lawyer he can't report to jail, reject the plea (he wants to protect his kid). But the accomplices and/or other drug-type-guys involved don't know this, and are determined that he will go to jail for life. So they have to grab Lyric on the 13th, before Dan goes to jail. It was their ONLY DAY to do it. Poor Elizabeth just happened to be there, as an innocent bystander. Wrong place, wrong time.

If this was the scenario, why not just shoot the "rat"?

 

[LaborDayRN]

Because they had a very small window of opportunity. They had to make this happen before the end of the day on 7/13, when Dan was scheduled to go to court/report to jail. If they wanted to frame him to make sure he went to prison for LIFE (not the measly 5 years he got by ratting them out!), then they had to grab her that day.

Remember the timing, and try to think like a criminal. His 2 accomplices had their hearings the previous day. So on the 12th, they kept up their part of the bargain. They plead guilty and took their sentences like men. Then on that afternoon, they find out that Dan ratted out a bunch of people in their network, and somehow managed to get an even SWEETER deal than they did. (At this point, nobody knows he will reject the plea.) They are pissed! What a rat! So they call him the night of the 12th and say "We're going to grab your kid, you rat." On the morning of the 13th, he tells his lawyer he can't report to jail, reject the plea (he wants to protect his kid). But the accomplices and/or other drug-type-guys involved don't know this, and are determined that he will go to jail for life. So they have to grab Lyric on the 13th, before Dan goes to jail. It was their ONLY DAY to do it. Poor Elizabeth just happened to be there, as an innocent bystander. Wrong place, wrong time.

I would like to add that I believe both Lyric and Elizabeth were innocent bystanders. I'm new here but have been reading for quite some time. My thought and prayers are with all involved. This is such a sad story for these two little girls.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Or, they could've just put a bullet in his head?

Agree, but they'd probably think that's too easy for Dan. They'd want an eye-for-an-eye. He sends them to jail, they are going to send HIM to jail -- for life. To make sure he suffers a good, long time.

Just a theory....

And to whomever just scolded us... We are not picking on the family!! Jeez. This family made themselves fair game when they manufactured and distributed meth. But in spite of that, we have been very well behaved around here. We HAVE TO BE, or the nurse will get us. In fact, I have been defending Dan, saying he is a victim and that his associates did this to hurt him. (He is a spouse abuser and drug dealer -- and I'm STILL giving him the benefit of the doubt! Jeez!)

 

[otto]

I hate to be the one saying this, but does anyone remember Dustin Honken?

http://wcfcourier.com/news/breaking_news/article_f2f63082-56b5-5d09-ad98-a41fd75eed79.html

Thanks ... the big difference I see is that particular meth dealer killed the people that would testify against him, and I suspect that the girlfriend and children were in the wrong place at the wrong time. In this case, only the children are missing and the person that could testify is alive and well.

 

[JaimeInLA]

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I would like to add that I believe both Lyric and Elizabeth were innocent bystanders. I'm new here but have been reading for quite some time. My thought and prayers are with all involved. This is such a sad story for these two little girls.

Yes, of course. I just meant that L was the target, E was not.

 

[shefner]

I am not caught up for today....but I am jumping ahead and trying to read back 10-15 pages.

Continual prayers for Lyric and Elizabeth!

 

[SapphireSteel]

I wish you people would leave that poor family alone. If any one of you have not sinned then poke out your eye. This family is grieving for their children, they may not be Ward and June Cleaver, but they deserve support not judgement.

Unquestioning support would be the domain of a Christian Prayer site...not Websleuths, where most posters are very astute and questioning and can smell when they're being mislead, and discern discrepancies and nuance in an investigation.

I believe that now the subpoena is issued, we can sleuth MCM and WC, and we can sleuth DM as well because he was placed under supervision a week ago by a judge and has been announced as "uncooperative".

I have yet to be corrected on this by a mod?

Either way it is not intending to be bashing anyone, merely "sleuthing" known facts as we are able under TOS, and forming opinions as to how they might explain what is so far unexplainable. We cannot control the content of these published facts, only LE can...if they are unseemly or seem to be derogatory to the family, that is hardly our fault. They are what they are and I believe we are under TOS to discuss them to the limits we have, but of course, I may be 100% incorrect as well.

Mods perhaps might like to clarify? It does seem a bit confusing.

 

[cindersoot]

If this is because of meth, then it's the first time I ever heard of someone abducting a child for money, drugs or ignorance. Two towns in Iowa yesterday were sights of attempted abductions.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Who is TRS?

Be careful asking about people darlin.

 

[JaimeInLA]

If this is because of meth, then it's the first time I ever heard of someone abducting a child for money, drugs or ignorance. Two towns in Iowa yesterday were sights of attempted abductions.

There are MANY of those cases. Here just are 2:
http://wcfcourier.com/news/breaking_...fd75eed79.html
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=240654

 

[Jules71]

I'm curious to see if they get anything helpful from the ATM's video. I've been wondering if the bikers on the others are even the girls, as grainy and out of focus as it is, it's hard to tell. WC said the girls left about 11:30, and it seems like she was feeding the little kids. It's possible that 2 kids on went by on bikes at 12:15, and she assumed it was them if she saw them. Being distracted by a couple kids as young as Elizabeth's little sisters could cause a mistake like that. I'm wondering if the girls were on it, or if anyone else was.

If that were the case, it would give the girls close to an hour to get to the lake, drop their bikes and be out of sight before TG came by. They could have run across someone parked in the blind spot and interrupted something going on there. The 'someone" could have just gone and moved their bikes (for who knows what reason) and left with the girls in their vehicle (white van!)

I had to leave for a while today, and I ended up skimming a lot of posts to get caught up, so I apologize if they've already said what, if anything, they found on the ATM video.

I think you make a good point. For as horrible as that camera is - that could be anyone riding by there. How would things change if we took the 12:15 video out of the timeline - and go with Grandma's 11:30 account? Shen then looks for them from 12:30 to 1:30 but they were already gone because they disappeared before 12:30. Just exploring other ideas.

 

[hollyblue]

I hate to be the one saying this, but does anyone remember Dustin Honken?

http://wcfcourier.com/news/breaking_news/article_f2f63082-56b5-5d09-ad98-a41fd75eed79.html

This was brought up in the Gee Murders. IL/2009 The mother, father and 3 kids were murdered. The fourth, a 3 yo lived. All bludgeoned.

 

[cindersoot]

The family took polygraphs.

 

[Jax49]

I think you make a good point. For as horrible as that camera is - that could be anyone riding by there. How would things change if we took the 12:15 video out of the timeline - and go with Grandma's 11:30 account? Shen then looks for them from 12:30 to 1:30 but they were already gone because they disappeared before 12:30. Just exploring other ideas.

I like this timeline a lot better, but can't accept that their grandmother would not recognize it was two other kids when she saw them at about 12:15.