IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[Pensfan]

Welcome to Websleuths, LaborDayRN and cindersoot!
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[IAM]

If this is because of meth, then it's the first time I ever heard of someone abducting a child for money, drugs or ignorance. Two towns in Iowa yesterday were sights of attempted abductions.

And I am sure LE is looking into that. This does not mean that they have to stop looking at other more probable reasons for the disappearance of these girls. That would be shoddy police work. They are fully aware of statistics surrounding such cases.

 

[cindersoot]

Welcome to Websleuths, LaborDayRN and cindersoot!
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Why, thankyou

 

[LaborDayRN]

Welcome to Websleuths, LaborDayRN and cindersoot!
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Thank you Pensfan! I do enjoy reading everyone's insightful posts. This story has really touched my heart.

 

[Jules71]

I like this timeline a lot better, but can't accept that their grandmother would not recognize it was two other kids.

But she initially said 11:30. Maybe she thought she was mistaken and changed it to 12:15 after LE got the video and saw two bikers going by - and couldn't be sure or not if that was them. So her last sighting by her own eyes was 11:30 and she is just assuming the same thing LE is after seeing the video. I think that is more likely than changing her story for other reasons. If we go with 11:30 - everything else fits. Maybe. I don't know.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The family took polygraphs.

Yup. More than one, in some cases.

 

[cindersoot]

Thank you Pensfan! I do enjoy reading everyone's insightful posts. This story has really touched my heart.

I agree, especially after visiting Meyers lake in person, so very heart breaking lease:

 

[palaminodee]

interesting new story
http://www.kwwl.com/story/19127066/uncle-of-missing-girls-hospitalized-apparent-drug-overdose

 

[hollyblue]

Agree, but what if he was still holding back somebody big that LE wanted? He had reduced his sentence in stages. Maybe he thought he could reduce it further and the person LE wanted knew it was being discused? (Just brainstorming.)

Could be, imo. The reason EC may have been taken is to make it hit home even more. They will make your life a true living hell. They will do things to the family to turn them against you..l....family members not involved. It's like a movie script.....but it's for real. Like I mentioned before, it's like Satan and Job....they won't touch you, but will make his life, his family's life and even his friends lives...a living hell. JMO

 

[SapphireSteel]

But she initially said 11:30. Maybe she thought she was mistaken and changed it to 12:15 after LE got the video and saw two bikers going by - and couldn't be sure or not if that was them. So her last sighting by her own eyes was 11:30 and she is just assuming the same thing LE is after seeing the video. I think that is more likely than changing her story for other reasons. If we go with 11:30 - everything else fits. Maybe. I don't know.

I think she originally said 11.30 then changed to 12.15 to tie in with the cctv footage.

 

[IAM]

The family took polygraphs.

Misti was asked to take another as the first one was inconclusive. She has not been officially cleared by the second.

Dan walked out on first one. I am not sure if he took a second.

Polygraphs are just a tool. Not anything conclusive can be obtained from a polygraph alone. They generally couple the polygraph results, with statement analysis and body language and evidence.

So, just because a family member takes a polygraph, does not exclude them as a possible POI.

 

[Pensfan]

Morrissey had previously reached a plea deal in relation to the case, The Associated Press reported, but had backed out at a July 12 hearing because he was not prepared to go to jail.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-io...ostpones-drugs/story?id=16870546#.UBMmV458vzI

Exactly what did Dan need to accomplish before he was “prepared to go to jail”?

He turned down a really good plea deal for 5 years because “he wasn’t prepared to go to jail” and now he will likely spend 45 years in jail? Huh?

Cook said Morrissey had been expected to accept a plea agreement July 12, the day before the girls vanished, but decided not to do so because he was not ready to go jail. She said prosecutors had shaved his sentence from more than 45 years to 30 years and then to 10 years, with a mandatory five years behind bars, because of his cooperation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ecent-events/2012/07/27/gJQAWfUxDX_story.html

 

[Jax49]

OT--The poor man found in Little Wall Lake( that we were discussing earlier) has been identified.

Snipped:

The Hamilton County Sheriff's Office said the State Medical Examiner's Office has identified the man as Virgil Wilcox, 66, of Jewell.

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...15725446/-/loj9qcz/-/index.html#ixzz21ry1NEy5

 

[cindersoot]

Misti was asked to take another as the first one was inconclusive. She has not been officially cleared by the second.

Dan walked out on first one. I am not sure if he took a second.

Polygraphs are just a tool. Not anything conclusive can be obtained from a polygraph alone. They generally couple the polygraph results, with statement analysis and body language and evidence.

So, just because a family member takes a polygraph, does not exclude them as a possible POI.

I just pray these little girls come home soon.

 

[callyn]

What does that mean? Would police have moved the bikes, leaned them up against the fence, then put up crime scene tape and investigated? Unless police are bumbling through the crime scene, wouldn't they have left the bikes where they were found while they investigated the area?

Anyone using the pathway between 12:20 and 3:58 could have simply put the bikes up against the fence to get them out of the way of others coming along.

That person may not have come forward with that information because they do not want to "get involved". I don't see LE moving them up against the fence until they had been thoroughly photographed and whatever else needed to be done for the investigation. But, it is certainly not impossible that LE did the moving of the bikes themselves.

 

[cindersoot]

Does anyone know what way the bikes were facing along the fence or ground, east or west?

 

[Marilynilpa]

But she initially said 11:30. Maybe she thought she was mistaken and changed it to 12:15 after LE got the video and saw two bikers going by - and couldn't be sure or not if that was them. So her last sighting by her own eyes was 11:30 and she is just assuming the same thing LE is after seeing the video. I think that is more likely than changing her story for other reasons. If we go with 11:30 - everything else fits. Maybe. I don't know.

Regarding Grandma's last sighting of the girls, I am wondering if the girls asked at 11:30 to ride their bikes, but didn't get around to leaving until a little later. At their ages, they could have been sidetracked by any number of things (getting Elizabeth's purse, for one thing) and Grandma assumed they'd left earlier than they actually did.

That could be a simple explanation for any time difference, IMO.

 

[Jax49]

I think she originally said 11.30 then changed to 12.15 to tie in with the cctv footage.

I thought she said they left about 11:30 and she saw them ride by at about 12:15. Didn't she include both times?

 

[IAM]

I just pray these little girls come home soon.

We all want these girls home in time for little angelface's (Elizabeth's) birthday.
We need good solid police work to accomplish this.

 

[elmomom]

Misti was asked to take another as the first one was inconclusive. She has not been officially cleared by the second.

Dan walked out on first one. I am not sure if he took a second.

Polygraphs are just a tool. Not anything conclusive can be obtained from a polygraph alone. They generally couple the polygraph results, with statement analysis and body language and evidence.

So, just because a family member takes a polygraph, does not exclude them as a possible POI.

Just to be clear, the family has been said to be 100% cooperative (except for two days), and never once has LE made any statement alluding to them as POIs. Until the policy on this here at WS changes, they are victims in this case, cannot be sleuthed and cannot be bashed, as we have been reminded at the start of each new thread, and more often if needed.