GUILTY IA - Gabriel McFarland, 4 mos, dies of head trauma, Des Moines, 22 April 2014

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I read the notice.. it inferred that this case was not about the adoption. It did not say there could be zero mention of the adoption.

It did say, no victim bashing of Gabriel's bio mother.

I believe there are pieces of this case that cannot be discovered without some mention of the adoption.

JMO

This case has nothing to do with the Failed adoption. Nothing. It has to do with a father who killed his son. It begins there and ends there.

 

[EGirl]

This case has nothing to do with the Failed adoption. Nothing. It has to do with a father who killed his son. It begins there and ends there.

In my mind, we don't know if the failed adoption may in some way have formed his motive? Was he overwhelmed? Angry? I am curious to the answers on WHY.

If it ends there for you that is fine, I assuming you won't post on the case anymore. But it isn't appropriate for you to attempt to silence anyone else's perspective or opinion.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

We have been given rules what we can and can not discuss. We know that the child's father killed him.

Why he killed him? I don't really care. There is no valid reason to kill a baby.





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[MyBelle]

I read the notice.. it inferred that this case was not about the adoption. It did not say there could be zero mention of the adoption.

It did say, no victim bashing of Gabriel's bio mother.

I believe there are pieces of this case that cannot be discovered without some mention of the adoption.

JMO

I'm sorry, I forgot to supply the link. If it's victim bashing to provide a link to the mother's own words, I ask the mods to please remove it.



......Atkins eventually stormed out of the interview and told us to leave.


http://whotv.com/2014/04/24/exclusive-baby-gabriels-mom-speaks-out/

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm sorry, I forgot to supply the link. If it's victim bashing to provide a link to the mother's own words, I ask the mods to please remove it.



......Atkins eventually stormed out of the interview and told us to leave.


http://whotv.com/2014/04/24/exclusive-baby-gabriels-mom-speaks-out/

It has nothing to do with what happened to The baby. The baby was killed by his Father. She is young. She is being bombarded by crazy people who all want to attack her for something that has nothing to do with this case.

People should be ashamed for attacking her. She just lost her baby boy. Sigh...

 

[MyBelle]

In my mind, we don't know if the failed adoption may in some way have formed his motive? Was he overwhelmed? Angry? I am curious to the answers on WHY.

If it ends there for you that is fine, I assuming you won't post on the case anymore. But it isn't appropriate for you to attempt to silence anyone else's perspective or opinion.

ITA. If he indeed is responsible, I think his motive was not wanting the financial responsibility of a child.

 

[MissUnderstood]

ITA. If he indeed is responsible, I think his motive was not wanting the financial responsibility of a child.

Do we know if this was intentional?? I know there are many ways brain trauma can occur. Could these injuries be some kind of accident from dropping the baby or dropping something onto him? I know in all probability it was intentional, but I could see an accident happening. A teenager panicking and running off. Just my opinion and it's probably because I don't want to believe that anyone could do this to a baby


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

Do we know if this was intentional?? I know there are many ways brain trauma can occur. Could these injuries be some kind of accident from dropping the baby or dropping something onto him? I know in all probability it was intentional, but I could see an accident happening. A teenager panicking and running off. Just my opinion and it's probably because I don't want to believe that anyone could do this to a baby


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I know. It is awful. They have charged him with first degree murder. Which is premeditated. So they have to have some evidence of that. I would love to believe it was an accident. But I can not see it. I am curious as to why the baby's clothing was wet also.

 

[MyBelle]

Do we know if this was intentional?? I know there are many ways brain trauma can occur. Could these injuries be some kind of accident from dropping the baby or dropping something onto him? I know in all probability it was intentional, but I could see an accident happening. A teenager panicking and running off. Just my opinion and it's probably because I don't want to believe that anyone could do this to a baby


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We don't know if it was intentional. Police are withholding details.

Although the medical examiner determined that Gabriel’s death was caused by an abusive head trauma, Sgt. Jason Halifax, Des Moines Police Department Public Information Officer, said investigators are unable to release investigative details concerning how the head trauma was inflicted.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/04/30/mcfarland-gabriel-baby-murder-adoption-reverse

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

We don't know if it was intentional. Police are withholding details.

Although the medical examiner determined that Gabriel’s death was caused by an abusive head trauma, Sgt. Jason Halifax, Des Moines Police Department Public Information Officer, said investigators are unable to release investigative details concerning how the head trauma was inflicted.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/04/30/mcfarland-gabriel-baby-murder-adoption-reverse

First degree murder is intentional murder.

 

[jjenny]

First degree murder is intentional murder.

That's what he is charged with. There is a difference between being charged and being convicted.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

That's what he is charged with. There is a difference between being charged and being convicted.

They don't charge you with that without cause. IF there was evidence of an accident it would be manslaughter or second degree. First degree means they know he premeditated it.

 

[jjenny]

They don't charge you with that without cause. IF there was evidence of an accident it would be manslaughter or second degree. First degree means they know he premeditated it.

Well, I dunno.
There was recently guy (whose name we are not allowed to mention) charged with second degree murder. Walked away a free men.
You do understand that accusations/charges do not guarantee conviction of the crime, don't you?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Well, I dunno.
There was recently guy (whose name we are not allowed to mention) charged with second degree murder. Walked away a free men.
You do understand that accusations/charges do not guarantee conviction of the crime, don't you?

What a jury does is something else entirely. That has nothing to do with the charges and evidence against him.
Oj walked away too. :loveyou:

 

[jjenny]

What a jury does is something else entirely. That has nothing to do with the charges and evidence against him.
Oj walked away too. :loveyou:

Seriously? There is a presumption of innocents under our laws. Prosecution has to prove the case. Just because someone is charged with something doesn't mean that someone will be convicted. And so far no evidence has been released.
So I am amazed by claims such as "this is a done deal."

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Seriously? There is a presumption of innocents under our laws. Prosecution has to prove the case. Just because someone is charged with something doesn't mean that someone will be convicted. And so far no evidence has been released.
So I am amazed by claims such as "this is a done deal."

I have to tell you that I am the last one that assumes people are guilty without evidence. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. However there is more than just a charge here. There is a witness, There is a child left alone who was beaten and he was seen leaving the scene.
That is pretty much a done deal. They did not charge him with Manslaughter which would be accidental so they must know more than we do.
But I think this kid has proven himself guilty all on his own.

 

[MyBelle]

Seriously? There is a presumption of innocents under our laws. Prosecution has to prove the case. Just because someone is charged with something doesn't mean that someone will be convicted. And so far no evidence has been released.
So I am amazed by claims such as "this is a done deal."

ITA. No details of how the death happened have been released.

Not only has no evidence been released, the accused hasn't been arraigned. If all the prosecution has is the statement of a teenage witness who only saw him standing and holding a child and later driving away, the prosecution is going to have a difficult time persuading a jury he's guilty of murder in the first degree. I don't believe the witness is telling the truth.

I think the defense will be that the child was still alive when he left. The prosecution will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the baby died prior to his leaving and that he caused the death.

JMO

 

[Salem]

Hey everybody - I just want to be clear here. All the moms in the story are considered victims in this case and they can't be bashed. The adoptive moms were Baby Gabriel's parents, even if for only a short time.

What is off limits is the adoption. The bashing of either set of parents, the judging of who made what decision and who was right/wrong is what is off limits.

Salem

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

ITA. No details of how the death happened have been released.

Not only has no evidence been released, the accused hasn't been arraigned. If all the prosecution has is the statement of a teenage witness who only saw him standing and holding a child and later driving away, the prosecution is going to have a difficult time persuading a jury he's guilty of murder in the first degree. I don't believe the witness is telling the truth.

I think the defense will be that the child was still alive when he left. The prosecution will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the baby died prior to his leaving and that he caused the death.

JMO

I have a feeling this will be pretty darn easy. He was seen with the child in a way that alarmed the friend. The friend calls the mom after she leaves and the mother asked her to go back. The friend sees the father leaving and the baby is all alone, wet and foaming at the mouth.

 

[MyBelle]

I have a feeling this will be pretty darn easy. He was seen with the child in a way that alarmed the friend. The friend calls the mom after she leaves and the mother asked her to go back. The friend sees the father leaving and the baby is all alone, wet and foaming at the mouth.

I doubt any jury will view their decision as "easy." Especially considering the witness is a teenager friend biased toward the mother. Wet and foaming at the mouth isn't evidence of death or fault. It is still within the realm of possibility that the father left Gabriel with the witness, still alive, because he did not know how to calm him and he knew she was a friend to the mother. If they were trying to feed him milk instead of formula, the child may have been very upset. We just don't know.

Easy case? Far from it.

JMO