IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

[julianne]

So now we know what name this guy is going by or what names and who he is working around yet he still hasn't ever stopped by to see his mother since he was 24 yrs and hasn't made any phone calls to her. Why? His story is out now and if the bad men were going to do something to him wouldn't you think that they would have done it by now? This just doesn't make any sense to me. After 15 yrs Johnny just casually drops by to talk to his mother and stays for 1 1/2 hours talking and then no more contact. That is what bothers me the most.

Noreen didn't claim that this guy (Jeff Gannon/Guckert) was her son, from what I remember. I read all about this when it came out, and she wasn't behind the claims that it was her son. Jeff Gannon has stated, unequivocally that he is not Johnny Gosh numerous times, and has also offered to take a DNA test numerous times. A DNA test has been offered to him, free of charge, many times. As late as last month, though, he still hasn't done so. I don't think it's because he's Johnny Gosch, though----although there may be other, equally sinister reasons that he has not come forward to take the test yet.

So, now it is being reported that other people connected to the case have received these photos as well---I wonder who these other people are as well.

I feel horribly for this woman. Can't even begin to imagine....

 

[julianne]

I apologize if this link has been posted before....I looked through this thread but didn't see it.

http://www.johnnygosch.com/images/pointblank.PDF

It's an article that explains the Gannon/Guckert involvement in this case. Talks about the Bohemian Grove, White House, & Hunter Thompson connection......

 

[mindi77]

I apologize if this link has been posted before....I looked through this thread but didn't see it.

http://www.johnnygosch.com/images/pointblank.PDF

It's an article that explains the Gannon/Guckert involvement in this case. Talks about the Bohemian Grove, White House, & Hunter Thompson connection......

very interesting......I think it is possible

 

[Pharlap]

OH MY LORD...


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of September 5, 1982, his mother said.

More at:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html

Sick, twisted person to do something like that.
Another highpants that wants his 15 minutes of fame...:furious:

 

[nanandjim]

very interesting......I think it is possible

I have briefly read a few of the articles about this covert operation of abducting boys for the perverted, sexual pleasure of high-ranking officials in the Republican party. I have to think if there was truly such a thing going on, the liberal media would have been all over this story. At the very least, shows such as Greta Van Sustern, Nancy Grace and Catherine Crier would be covering this story.

I've never seen it covered anywhere except on the Internet. In fact, this is the first that I have heard of it. I am inclined to believe that this is an attempt to smear the Republican party, President Bush in particular.

I think that Johnny Gosch is long dead, and his poor mother has been exploited all these years. There was another case where a daughter was missing for years. I can't remember her name, but the mother was led to believe that she was abducted by a motorcycle gang. She traveled many places trying to find her "missing" daughter. Eventually, maybe 20+ years later, I think the remains of her daughter were found. She had been dead all of this time.

Unfortunately, with well-publicized cases, you have all sorts of sickos who come out of the woodwork. I feel so sorry for the parents of the victims.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I think the shirt in the middle is Star Trek

 

[Richard]

The photos referred to are on the link below. One is of a boy dressed only in a pair of dark sweat pants, bound and gagged. The other photo is of three boys who are fully clothed, but without shoes. They are all bound at the hands and feet and gagged.

The photos appear to have been taken at different times, as the boy described as Johnny is wearing different pants in each picture and the beds are not the same. Also the bindings are different.

It appears that the three boys are lying on a regular size double bed which has a blanket designed for a twin size bed, and therefore does not reach all the way across the bed.

It appears to be a red blanket with a black stripe on the end shown. I believe that this is a wool "Hudson Bay" blanket - probably a "four point" model. This type of blanket has been made since the 1600's, and was a popular item of trade with the Indians. It has been available in modern times through such places as L.L. Bean and was being sold by them in the early 1980's. There were a number of different color combinations and sizes available.

The following is from the Johnny Gosch Foundation Website.

Quote:
August 27, 2006On my birthday... I received a package with the following pictures inside. The first photo is of my son Johnny, shortly after he was kidnapped on Sept. 5th, 1982. He was still wearing the clothing he had on the day he was taken. He is bound and gagged. The second photo is three boys all bound gagged... the boy on the far right is my son, Johnny. We do not have the identity of the other two boys. We are currently working with the police and the National Center for Missing Children in hopes of learning the identity of the other two boys. There are two families who would probably like to have news of their children. If anyone viewing the second photo knows who these boys are, please contact me. Noreen Gosch

Source:
The Johnny Gosch Foundation

Link:
http://www.johnnygosch.com/

 

[2sisters]

I know there was talk about the flex cuffs and to me it looks like theyare bound with sometype of white rope or fabric or maybe tape

 

[mjak]

I know there was talk about the flex cuffs and to me it looks like theyare bound with sometype of white rope or fabric or maybe tape

Just the child on the our left or in the right of the picture has his/her hands bound by a flexcuff, the others look like white fabric .

mjak

 

[mysteriew]

Something is bothering me about the way the 'investigation' on the Johnny Gosch disappearance is handled. The following article is an example.

First police spokesman says that Noreen voluntarily brought the photos in to PD. Then says the photos were "seized".

Second, this is a long term abduction case, where neither a body nor a living person has ever been found. Instead of the respect of couching the info in respectful terms, right away they go to the fact that they are checking to see if the photos could be altered photos. Most depts. would say something like they are examining the photos to determine if there is anything of useful evidentiary value. But right away, this dept. goes to the fact that the photos might be fake.

More info about the other photos:

Rothstein said he was sent the photos by Noreen Gosch and Michael Corbin, a Colorado radio talk-show host who has aired programs on Gosch’s disappearance. Rothstein has acted as a criminal justice specialist for Corbin’s show, "A Closer Look."

Corbin said Thursday he has been in contact over the past two years with a man who claims to have been another child kidnapping victim who broke away from a child-sex ring with Gosch. He said the man said his name is Jimmy Gibson and has told him he wants to speak publicly soon about their kidnappings after hiding out for years from abductors.

“In the times that he’s contacted me (via email), he’s never had a consistent email address,” Corbin said in an interview with the Register.

“I’ve kind of teetered toward believing the veracity of what’s he said. But with these photos, I am really confused. ... If they are on the run, I’m curious as to how they got access to those photos, because they would have been in the possession of their perpetrators.”
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200660831027

 

[beakiebean]

I think that labeling Noreen as crazy or off the deep end is a little harsh. Her son vanished at a time when missing children were pretty well written off by police dapartments. The investigation into her son's dissapearance was half-a$$ed at best. Noreen has been manipulated and victimized by a number of people who were seeking to further their own interests and not her's or Johnny's. I would certainly say she is emotionally fragile but honestly in her situation I probably would be too.

In regards to the West Des Moines police department-when Johnny dissapeared the investigation was crap-they did a lousy job. However our present day department does a good job and is very different than it was 2 decades ago. This case has taken a lot of twists and turns over the years-some of them rather bizarre. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be cautious about new leads and leary of stating the photo is genuine until they have further evidence. I think their relationship with Noreen is strained at best and they are probably also leery of releasing any info that might be used to skewer the department or be twisted to suit a conspiracy theory.

 

[j2mirish]

I can't look.

i cant either..i am speechless trying to imagine what finding that picture 24 years later would do to a persons mind-- i cannot fathom---------------what a sick son of a bbbbbbbbbb

 

[LovelyPigeon]

So now we know what name this guy is going by or what names and who he is working around yet he still hasn't ever stopped by to see his mother since he was 24 yrs and hasn't made any phone calls to her. Why?

No, we don't know! Gannon is absolutely not Gosch.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I think that labeling Noreen as crazy or off the deep end is a little harsh.

"off the deep end" is the least harsh way I could think to put my thoughts about Noreen Gorsch.

 

[missacorah]

Im not sure how sane i would come across if I had been through what she has though!
I thought the little lad on the left of the photo looked like Barry James Kephart but I just looked him up on 'Doe' and it says that this year his parents were accused of killing him all that time ago. His mother has died but his father is still alive and denies all knowledge.
(Sorry I dont know how to do links)

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Here's a link with photo for Barry James Kephart:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/29dmnm.html

 

[EdinburghLass]

Steve Huff has a good analysis of the photo and story on his blog - crimeblog.us

 

[Mabel]

OH MY LORD...


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of September 5, 1982, his mother said.

More at:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html

The boy is not wearing sweatpants. He's wearing very light colored jeans.

 

[Mabel]

I remember this story. However, the boy in the photograph to the far right is wearing white (light colored) jean type pants. They don't look like sweatpants to me.

Oops...I should have read the whole thread before posting.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Mabel, there are 2 photographs. One shows one boy wearing dark sweatpants and no shirt. The other shows 3 boys wearing shirts and jeans.