GUILTY IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, found deceased, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #51

[MrsWatson]

What the what?!?

 

[PrairieWind]

I"m wondering if this hearing tomorrow will be open to the public or not.

 

[TL4S]

I wonder who the 2nd person to come forward is.

Edited until I can find the link.

This article talks more about her.

Judge delays sentencing after twists in Iowa woman’s killing

 

[TL4S]

DBM. Double post.

 

[Emi]

CourtTVUK [URL='https://twitter.com/CourtTVUK']@CourtTVUK [/URL]25m
NEW DEVELOPMENTS: The defense team for #CristhianBahenaRivera is seeking a new trial based on evidence that someone else confessed to the killing of college student #MollieTibbetts.

 

[rebel123]

You didn't "misread" that.... I have it in my notes - just copied it from the article....

edited to add -



The second new witness came forward to a local sheriff’s office, claiming she was in a car with the same man (Inmate #2) a month earlier when he pulled a pistol & said, “that Mexican shouldn’t be in jail for killing Mollie Tibbett's because I raped her & killed her."

Yep, it is a female 'informant'.

 

[FrostedGlass]

This article talks more about her.

Judge delays sentencing after twists in Iowa woman’s killing

Thank you! I've read so many articles that I sure didn't want to go back and re-read them.

Your link has some really interesting stuff in it.

 

[Harvath]

If someone/anyone with a background in law want to chime in and give their opinion? In another life I probably would have made a great lawyer(love debating and thinking out of the box)….I didn’t go that route though so I don’t have any expertise on the subject. Having said that….I can’t imagine this holds much legal ground. Stalling tactic, sure. How many other crimes has some nut come forward and confessed to when they had nothing to do with it? I can think of everything from the Ramsey Case to 9/11. It’s just some guy that wants attention. Nothing more, nothing less. The DNA(in the car), cell phone pings, video evidence still points to CBR and only CBR. The judicial system as I understand it has the duty to look into this? Will it hold any weight? Extremely doubtful. I’m just posing they can’t actually have a shot at a retrial? Not over this? My reaction is you’ve got to be kidding me. Followed by the minor swear that starts with D.

 

[Emi]

Bill Hutchinson @bill_hutchinson 13m
Twists in #MollieTibbetts murder case keep coming: Judge delays sentencing of convicted killer Cristhian Bahena Rivera as defense calls for new trial based on bombshell evidence disclosed after a jury reached its verdict - via @ABC News -


Sentencing of Mollie Tibbetts' convicted killer delayed after bombshell by defense
Judge delays sentencing for Mollie Tibbetts killer after bombshell claim by defense
abcnews.go.com

 

[SharonNeedles]

If someone/anyone with a background in law want to chime in and give their opinion? In another life I probably would have made a great lawyer(love debating and thinking out of the box)….I didn’t go that route though so I don’t have any expertise on the subject. Having said that….I can’t imagine this holds much legal ground. Stalling tactic, sure. How many other crimes has some nut come forward and confessed to when they had nothing to do with it? I can think of everything from the Ramsey Case to 9/11. It’s just some guy that wants attention. Nothing more, nothing less. The DNA(in the car), cell phone pings, video evidence still points to CBR and only CBR. The judicial system as I understand it has the duty to look into this? Will it hold any weight? Extremely doubtful. I’m just posing they can’t actually have a shot at a retrial? Not over this? My reaction is you’ve got to be kidding me. Followed by the minor swear that starts with D.

Is “stalling tactic” even a thing in Iowa? The only sentence for first degree murder is life without the possibility of parole. Whether that comes tomorrow, next month, next year or ten years from now doesn’t really matter.

 

[PrairieWind]

If someone/anyone with a background in law want to chime in and give their opinion? In another life I would have made a great lawyer(love debating and thinking out of the box)….I didn’t go that route though so I don’t have any expertise on the subject. Having said that….I can’t imagine this holds much legal ground. Stalling tactic, sure. How many other crimes has some nut come forward and confessed to when they had nothing to do with it? I can think of everything from the Ramsey Case to 9/11. It’s just some guy that wants attention. Nothing more, nothing less. The DNA(in the car), cell phone pings, video evidence still points to CBR and only CBR. The judicial system as I understand it has the duty to look into this? Will it hold any weight? Extremely doubtful. I’m just posing they can’t actually have a shot at a retrial? Not over this? My reaction is you’ve got to be kidding me. Followed by the minor swear that starts with D.

We will get more information presumably from the hearing. Clearly that is what the judge is doing here, just trying to get info to then decide if he should delay sentencing any further, etc. There are procedural issues at play here regarding timing. The motion for new trial has to be done before an appeal is filed, otherwise the trial court no longer has jurisdiction of the case. So that is part of why we are seeing this now. The judge will want to know more about what these alleged witnesses have to say but ultimately I think he just going to want to discuss timelines for the motion for new trial vs sentencing. I don't really understand the order for the witness to appear tomorrow, so that will be interesting to see what happens. This is no longer sentencing but now almost a status conference and testimony is typically is not taken or allowed then. This smells a bit like grandstanding to me, but we will see.

 

[rebel123]

If someone/anyone with a background in law want to chime in and give their opinion? In another life I probably would have made a great lawyer(love debating and thinking out of the box)….I didn’t go that route though so I don’t have any expertise on the subject. Having said that….I can’t imagine this holds much legal ground. Stalling tactic, sure. How many other crimes has some nut come forward and confessed to when they had nothing to do with it? I can think of everything from the Ramsey Case to 9/11. It’s just some guy that wants attention. Nothing more, nothing less. The DNA(in the car), cell phone pings, video evidence still points to CBR and only CBR. The judicial system as I understand it has the duty to look into this? Will it hold any weight? Extremely doubtful. I’m just posing they can’t actually have a shot at a retrial? Not over this? My reaction is you’ve got to be kidding me. Followed by the minor swear that starts with D.

Has 'some nut come forward'? I thought it was a couple of 'informants' who had come forward. They've pointed the finger at someone, who said 'they did it'.
Clearly the prosecution won't give any credence to these 'informants'.

 

[Harvath]

God I hope so. Until proven otherwise….the CONVICTED killer is said killer. My heart goes out to the family….they don’t deserve any of this. I know y’all agree with me….I’m just saying. I feel for them right now.

 

[PrairieWind]

Is “stalling tactic” even a thing in Iowa? The only sentence for first degree murder is life without the possibility of parole. Whether that comes tomorrow, next month, next year or ten years from now doesn’t really matter.

It is in a way. This is about Criminal Procedure timelines. Motion for New Trial, Notice of Appeal, these all have timing requirements.

 

[katydid23]

Well, the one big thing that Bahena has going for him, is the story he told on the stand---saying that 2 masked men forced him to drive them to town, where they grabbed a girl and put her in his trunk....

So shockingly enough, these 2 guys did get arrested for trafficking, I believe...and if they did kidnap little Xavier, then maybe I will believe Bahena's bizarre story.....

 

[TL4S]

Keeping an open mind in thinking where the defense could go with this, IMO, there are pieces of evidence that could be disputed to fit into this new story.

• At trial, it was testified to that LE does not know when or where Mollie was killed. There was no evidence presented, iirc, to confirm she did, in fact, die on the day of her abduction.

• Her cell phone data shows the abduction only, but the search area mapped by cell phone tower triangulation did not include the cornfield, so it's possible the phone was discarded (or shut off) somewhere along the way. That leaves it open to where the car went from there. I've attached a map of the route between 385th Ave. and New Sharon, IA, where we know there was a sex-trafficking "trap house." This route is the same route the cell phone took.

• Inmate 2 claims they were going to pin it on "a Hispanic man" and the one who "didn't speak English very well" said he knew a guy. This is presumably CBR, which puts her blood in his trunk. But again, we can't say for sure what day that occurred.

So the only evidence that is indisputable, IMO, is the video footage of the black Malibu circling and following Mollie. Now, could CBR have been telling the truth during testimony? Was he a lookout? Could he have abducted her and delivered her to the "trap house"? Could someone else have had access to his Malibu? Any of which was followed by him then being known the group and chosen to pin the murder on? None of the stories we've heard so far, either from CBR or these new people, have completely matched, but I would wager CBR will always claim his family was threatened and that's why he didn't tell on anyone, especially if he was voluntarily involved. JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

Keeping an open mind in thinking where the defense could go with this, IMO, there are pieces of evidence that could be disputed to fit into this new story.

• At trial, it was testified to that LE does not know when or where Mollie was killed. There was no evidence presented, iirc, to confirm she did, in fact, die on the day of her abduction.

• Her cell phone data shows the abduction only, but the search area mapped by cell phone tower triangulation did not include the cornfield, so it's possible the phone was discarded (or shut off) somewhere along the way. That leaves it open to where the car went from there. I've attached a map of the route between 385th Ave. and New Sharon, IA, where we know there was a sex-trafficking "trap house." This route is the same route the cell phone took.

• Inmate 2 claims they were going to pin it on "a Hispanic man" and the one who "didn't speak English very well" said he knew a guy. This is presumably CBR, which puts her blood in his trunk. But again, we can't say for sure what day that occurred.

So the only evidence that is indisputable, IMO, is the video footage of the black Malibu circling and following Mollie. Now, could CBR have been telling the truth during testimony? Was he a lookout? Could he have abducted her and delivered her to the "trap house"? Could someone else have had access to his Malibu? Any of which was followed by him then being known the group and chosen to pin the murder on? None of the stories we've heard so far, either from CBR or these new people, have completely matched, but I would wager CBR will always claim his family was threatened and that's why he didn't tell on anyone, especially if he was voluntarily involved. JMO

CBR initially told police that he drove the corn field alone, took her out of the trunk and carried her into the field. This was within minutes of abducting her. At trial he changed this to say 2 men forced him to drive while they abducted Mollie off the road, forced him to drive to the field and left, he then carried her into the corn field. Again, within minutes of her murder. In both stories he says he covered her body in corn stalks, which is how she was found, exactly where he said he left her. So CBR's own accounts both have her dead within minutes of her abduction with him leaving her in the corn field. CBR has never denied that he drove her to the cornfield or that he carried her into the cornfield. That does not seem to line up with this witness that claims Mollie was held and raped at a trap house somewhere and only killed when LE began to get close.

 

[Harvath]

Keeping an open mind in thinking where the defense could go with this, IMO, there are pieces of evidence that could be disputed to fit into this new story.

• At trial, it was testified to that LE does not know when or where Mollie was killed. There was no evidence presented, iirc, to confirm she did, in fact, die on the day of her abduction.

• Her cell phone data shows the abduction only, but the search area mapped by cell phone tower triangulation did not include the cornfield, so it's possible the phone was discarded (or shut off) somewhere along the way. That leaves it open to where the car went from there. I've attached a map of the route between 385th Ave. and New Sharon, IA, where we know there was a sex-trafficking "trap house." This route is the same route the cell phone took.
• Inmate 2 claims they were going to pin it on "a Hispanic man" and the one who "didn't speak English very well" said he knew a guy. This is presumably CBR, which puts her blood in his trunk. But again, we can't say for sure what day that occurred.

So the only evidence that is indisputable, IMO, is the video footage of the black Malibu circling and following Mollie. Now, could CBR have been telling the truth during testimony? Was he a lookout? Could he have abducted her and delivered her to the "trap house"? Could someone else have had access to his Malibu? Any of which was followed by him then being known the group and chosen to pin the murder on? None of the stories we've heard so far, either from CBR or these new people, have completely matched, but I would wager CBR will always claim his family was threatened and that's why he didn't tell on anyone, especially if he was voluntarily involved. JMO

Really good analysis and I mean that genuinely. We should always continue to ask questions and press the narrative no matter the case or the circumstances…..the BUT and you all knew it was coming is what’s the positive out of someone outing this especially from a jail house confession. It doesn’t benefit anyone. Said individual who confessed it….given the narrative(assuming it’s all true) would not only be behind bars presumably for a good chunk of time….but also be putting himself at risk if he were to be freed…even worse circumstances if stuck behind bars. Make no mistake the sex trafficking warlords or whatever you want to call them will extinguish a rat by any means necessary including incarcerated ones. I don’t see the motivation or viability of any of this. Even if you were willing to jump the shark and believe any of this…..it’s hard to
Fathom a random prisoner would come forward post conviction to tell said “truth” at the risk of his own neck. Following the narrative they clearly don’t give a blank about human life….i.e sex trafficking. Why the sudden need for truth and conscience now? It doesn’t add up in the slightest. Those that engage in sex trafficking usually sleep well at night without a worry in the world. They certainly don’t speak up as it will be some of the last words they ever utter. None of the mathematics of this adds up. Let alone statistically sex traffickers are more likely to pick on the homeless/runaways….the collegiate white(not trying to get on race debate) just in general garner them a lot of unneeded attention. They like most black market industries like to work under the radar. Mollie Tibbets is anything but under the radar. None of this current “story” adds up.

 

[katydid23]

CBR initially told police that he drove the corn field alone, took her out of the trunk and carried her into the field. This was within minutes of abducting her. At trial he changed this to say 2 men forced him to drive while they abducted Mollie off the road, forced him to drive to the field and left, he then carried her into the corn field. Again, within minutes of her murder. In both stories he says he covered her body in corn stalks, which is how she was found, exactly where he said he left her. So CBR's own accounts both have her dead within minutes of her abduction with him leaving her in the corn field. CBR has never denied that he drove her to the cornfield or that he carried her into the cornfield. That does not seem to line up with this witness that claims Mollie was held and raped at a trap house somewhere and only killed when LE began to get close.

And the story the 2 men tell is that she was 'bound and gagged inn their trap house' BEFORE they decided to find a patsy as a scapegoat.
So that^^^ never happened. She is on video going on her routine jog.

 

[justtrish]

CBR initially told police that he drove the corn field alone, took her out of the trunk and carried her into the field. This was within minutes of abducting her. At trial he changed this to say 2 men forced him to drive while they abducted Mollie off the road, forced him to drive to the field and left, he then carried her into the corn field. Again, within minutes of her murder. In both stories he says he covered her body in corn stalks, which is how she was found, exactly where he said he left her. So CBR's own accounts both have her dead within minutes of her abduction with him leaving her in the corn field. CBR has never denied that he drove her to the cornfield or that he carried her into the cornfield. That does not seem to line up with this witness that claims Mollie was held and raped at a trap house somewhere and only killed when LE began to get close.

Yeah his story he told on the stand matches more with what the evidence shows, the only issue is he tried to deflect the parts he didn't want to be looked down on for. He was worried the masked me would harm his daughter.. he was abducted basically from his house after he showered. The story the innates are now telling doesn't line up with any of that either. Also, by the next day people were searching for her. I don't know where exactly, but news was out very quickly about this one and people were on the lookout for suspicious things.