Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #10

[Cardinal47]

I never lock my doors . In fact my car key was lost in my car for 7 months. Anyone could have gotten in the car and driven away with it.
I never lock my house and I leave my garage doors open. I have a few dogs but they are dogs of leisure more than guard dogs.

Living close to one of the 'big cities' we have everything locked including the dog. We are locked in and 'locked and loaded' with our 2nd amendment rights. Just waiting...

 

[Hatfield]

I think it is safe to say that at some point Mollie was very near that area....

I have been wondering if a perp had her in his vehicle and maybe threw her phone or Fitbit out the window at that location. It could be why LE maybe having trouble finding anything out there. The perp and Mollie could have kept driving in that direction to wherever he was going with her.

If so I hope they can at least find her phone or Fitbit as that would confirm the direction they were heading.

 

[Inthedetails]

I have been wondering if a perp had her in his vehicle and maybe threw her phone or Fitbit out the window at that location. It could be why LE maybe having trouble finding anything out there. The perp and Mollie could have kept driving in that direction to wherever he was going with her.

If so I hope they can at least find her phone or Fitbit as that would confirm the direction they were heading.

That's what I"ve been envisioning this afternoon.

jmo

 

[Dustyblue]

Since Brooklyn is a small community, most people are probably aware of a certain farmer’s past record. It might seem good to the actual perp to leave a thing or two near his place to cast suspicion towards him and protect themselves from unwanted attention.

 

[Cardinal47]

That's a good point about using the phone as a flashlight, which I do all the time.

Also, a good point about her being interrupted while she was already on the phone. As a perfect real life example, I was texting with my husband last night when a neighbor knocked on my door. The phone was already in my hand and I went out to my front porch to talk to them (I am on my HOA board and neighbors routinely have to bring me their dues, so it is really common to have them stop by). Still had my phone on me but literally nothing else as I just stepped out for a minute, you know?

Those are very good points and two things I never thought of.

 

[HoldySi]

FYI- this thread was just linked in a Mollie FB group that has 7300 members so I expect there to be a lot more people joining in soon....

 

[MOTORUNNER]

Yes, I think we are a breed unto ourselves. Lol

You got that right... before I leave my apartment I usually take a look outside, analyze the surroundings of my car anytime I get in or out... If I'm driving back home and someone is behind me I always drive around the block until they go their own way. The list goes on and on, unfortunately even these precautions aren't always enough. I have an apple-watch and it's cellular enabled, it has a feature where you can send out an emergency SOS and it will contact emergency services and give them your location. Honestly this feature alone has me sold on the watch, especially since I wear it all the time.

 

[SkipperKey3]

Good question. I don't know. It doesn't look good. There is still a good chance that she is alive, but the investigators seem to have no leads and no idea how to proceed. Other than to have frequent press conferences and hope the public can help them solve the case.

I don't know about "good chance" but there is a chance. And we really don't know what leads LE does or doesn't have at this point.

 

[gforce]

FYI- this thread was just linked in a Mollie FB group that has 7300 members so I expect there to be a lot more people joining in soon....

I Hope they read the site rules and guidelines

 

[Crystal Regan]

I do when I am getting makeup on or doing my hair-I put it in my pocket

It’s sad, but I do now. I make sure our security cameras are working daily, phones, glasses near me when sleeping, itiles on keys and I keep location services on. Not so much because I am scared, I just wouldn’t want my family to go through life not knowing

A fair? Interesting timing. So many non-locals were in the area

looks like it was a County 4-h type fair. You can visit the website. The dates are still listed for 2018.

 

[Momma2cam]

Actually no arrest warrant is needed, and if they believe a victim is inside, they don't even need a search warrant. Example: Ariel Castro. They never got an arrest warrant for him, they just arrested him. They never got a search warrant either, they just busted down his front door. At least initially. Maybe they got a search warrant, but that was after they busted down his door. Oh and they also arrested his two brothers without even any probable cause.

They can arrest without a warrant. They cannot keep them in custody for more than 48 hrs (variance by jurisdiction) without probable cause and charges by the prosecutor.

 

[Angleterre]

I just want to say in relation to the comment/s aboyt LE and their methods of investigation and clearing up of violent crimes in the 1980’s versus the 2000’s.
To that I say - how many of those so called ‘solved’ cases by investigators in the 1980’s were solved by coercion or bully boy tactics or downright lies ? The question you need to ask is how many of those in the 1980’s have since been proved to be unreliable convictions compared to the figures today? Although in some areas, the mentality is a conviction and case solved no matter what the cost , is still prevalent, I would put my neck on the line and say that the majority of LE Detectives no longer operate in this way and are much more accountable and transparent and obtain the good results through painstaking and dedicated and proper investigative methods . I have been a Detective for many years, joining LE in 1988 and I will say that some investigators today do not know how to investigate to the same level as we did many years ago because we now rely so much on DNA and fingerprints and CCTV which once upon a time, was a non existent investigators tool. And this level of investigation in some cases is a lost skill. However, because of the introduction of DNA and CCTV and NAFIS , we are more or less guaranteed a ‘safe’ conviction in the most part . The best Detectives are the ones who combine both sets of skills . So I suppose what I am really saying is both era’s of investigation have pros and cons and neither are better or worse . It’s just that because of the increase in forensic technology methods, the integrity of the investigation is likely to be more integral and proven and the likelihood of an innocent person being convicted is greatly decreased , which can only be a good thing . I have and continue to use both good old Detective investigative methods alongside the new ( ish ) forensic technology methods to give the best results . The majority of Detective officers do their very best with their cases and IMO should be respected for their role far more than they sometimes are because most of you here on WS unless involved in similar occupations, could not begin to imagine the things that I have seen and been subjected to over 30 years and the images I play in my mind on a daily basis of all I’ve seen and heard . So well done and pat on the back to all LE who work with integrity professionalism and pride x

 

[damask]

That's assuming she was wearing bottoms with pockets. My pajamas, skirts, dresses and yoga pants don't have any pockets. From reports, we are assuming she returned to the house after her run, maybe she showered and changed into her pajamas? What does she normally sleep in? Bra and underwear? Sleep gown? In the nude? Her boyfriend or close friends would know the answer. Where are her pajamas? Did she wear them or change out of them the night/morning she went missing?

If she had just returned from a run she may have had her phone attached to her arm in some way so that she could listen to music. Also, a lot of young people are constantly on their phone, she could have been in the middle of texting, reading social media, watching a video, etc when she was interrupted by something and her phone was still in her hand.

 

[Amonet]

The location of this search today makes me think it's either one of two scenarios.

1) there seem to be a few small towns clustered around in the same area and they seem to have a lot of integration/mixing in those towns. I noticed on a map that the school in Brooklyn was attended by students from several other small towns, for instance. So people in Brooklyn probably know a lot of people from the other small towns, and a perp could be from any of those towns and be a minor friend or acquaintance of MT or her family or friends.

2) I didn't look at the Google map as I closed the window to see if it would help with the loading of WS, but could the road they're searching be a potential place for a cellphone to be thrown out of a window and then continue driving and reach, or turn onto, one of the major highways/interstates?

In either of these scenarios the cellphone might have pinged in the general area of these roads/fields before it went quiet, so a lot of the searching would focus in that area. But if LE think the phone was dropped there before the vehicle it was in traveled onto another area, they've still got to look further afield at the same time they search for the cellphone.

 

[margarita25]

@Skagirl said: ↑
I was on that search today—I’m sure the details of it will be covered in the press conference tomorrow now that the news made it out there to Guernsey (we started at 8 am this morning by the way)...I’m not going to say anymore than that, just in case the investigators want the details kept quiet...



OP is currently being processed for "VERIFIED INSIDER" status which was probably unknown to most (1st post in this thread). Carry-on...

Thank you for not saying anymore. The last thing we want here is any compromising of the integrity of the investigation or Mollie’s safety. We know for many reasons why LE may need certain things to be kept hush hush. Tim Miller from TX Equusearch has even advised Team Lucas members on this. One reason includes not disclosing search locations so as the body can not be moved, potentially contaminating evidence, media circus, etc etc.

 

[Momma2cam]

I just want to say in relation to the comment/s aboyt LE and their methods of investigation and clearing up of violent crimes in the 1980’s versus the 2000’s.
To that I say - how many of those so called ‘solved’ cases by investigators in the 1980’s were solved by coercion or bulky boy tactics or downright lies ? The question you need to ask is how many of those in the 1980’s have since been proved to be unreliable convictions compared to the figures today? Although in some areas, the mentality is still a conviction and case solved no matter at what cost is still prevalent, I would put my neck on the line and say that the majority of LE Detective no longer operate in this way and are much more accountable and transparent and obtain the good results through painstaking and dedicated and proper investigative methods . I have been a Detective for many years, joining LE in 1988 and I will say that some investigators today do not know how to investigate to the same level as we did many years ago because we now rely so much on DNA and fingerprints and CCTV which once upon a time, was a non existent investigators tool. And this level of investigation in some cases is a lost skill. However, because of the introduction of DNA and CCTV and NAFIS , we are more or less guaranteed a ‘safe’ conviction in the most part . The best Detectives are the ones who combine both sets of skills . So I suppose what I am really saying is both era’s of investigation have pros and cons and neither are better or worse . It’s just that because of the increase in forensic technology methods, the integrity of the investigation is likely to be more integral and the likelihood of an innocent person being convicted is greatly decreased , which can only be a good thing . I have and continue to use both good old Detective investigative methods alongside the new ( ish ) forensic technology methods to give the best results . The majority of Detective officers do their very best with their cases and IMO should be respected for their role far more than they sometimes are because most of you here on WS unless involved in similar occupations, could not begin to imagine the things that I have seen and been subjected to over 30 years and the images I play in my mind on a daily basis if all I’ve seen and heard . So well done and pay on the back to all LE who work with integrity professionalism and pride x

Excellent post.

 

[TeaTime]

Thank you searchers. You efforts are appreciated by everyone. You do good things for people you don't even know and show us the best of humanity. Just wanted to say GOOD JOB!

 

[slowpoke]

In response to the earlier question what would cause a person to take their phone but nothing else— a lot of things. If I’m texting with someone or calling them or talking to them of course I’ll always have my phone. However I also use it as a flashlight. And a speaker if I’m streaming music. I have to wear corrective lenses or glasses to see anything—similar to Molly – I still use my phone without my lenses on. I just make everything extremely huge so I can see it. Speculating here but maybe she heard something in the early morning hours and went To see what it was using her phone as a flashlight.

Yikes, if I heard something in the wee hours outside while home alone, I’d lock all the doors and hole up with the dogs by my side, phone in hand, ready to call 911. I doubt I’d venture outside.

 

[Doghairrules]

For me, her having her phone on her makes it more likely that she was taken while she was outside. If you're inside, you generally don't keep your phone in your pocket. If she was caught off guard while she was inside, it would take incredible presence of mind for her to take her phone with her (in the fear of the moment). Of course she might have known the perpetrator, and initially gone outside willingly.

I’m not normal, but I keep my phone in my pocket inside the house unless it’s charging. How else would I reply to every text/email/tweet at the speed of light? #ithinkimayhaveaproblem

 

[gregjrichards]

That Fake Mollie Tibbett’s Facebook page is by a disgusting troll. It is not Mollie’s Facebook page. I have posted it here before I wish it could be taken down and the troll arrested.