Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #13

[MassGuy]

JMO but I think they are putting the heat on him because they are taking heat for being without an arrest up to this point with the mass media and now international attention. I actually feel for the guy, he seems to be their scapegoat at this point, if they couldn't get enough to detain him after he willingly let them search and document his home, sat through two hours of questioning, and had his phone overnight than a polygraph makes him no more guilty than he was before.

I think they are putting heat on him because there is some evidence that he may be involved. LE hasn't publicly, implicated him, we know all these things from media reports. I don't have much of an opinion on his viability as a suspect, and I agree that refusal to take a polygraph isn't at all indicative of guilt.

 

[crhedBngr]

MAC addresses are not the same. They're tied to the device itself and don't change. IP addresses are for routing data and do change. To give an example: the MAC address of your laptop will be the same no matter where you are, but the IP will be different depending on whether you are at home, at Starbucks, etc.

One learns something every day! Thanks for letting me know.

 

[cluciano63]

WC just isn’t bright enough to do such a good cleanup job. No way.

What clean up job? Perp may have left her far away from his own land...

 

[ptandj]

We were instructed by a Mod previously, that we could discuss this guy, if we used his initials. Thanks for bringing that up. We should refer to him as WC.

I am pretty sure the post on page 1 also says not to go digging into and posting stuff not reported in MSM about his background.

I don't think we ever got confirmation on why exactly there was traffic in ft of HS. There was some speculation that it was LE but others said it was media. I do recall someone local saying they believed there was CCTV on HS property.

Yes this is what I recall as well. Could be nothing, just like so much of the “info” we have.

 

[Stormy21]

It is interesting that a local person's name is out there. How often does that happen? And interviewed by MSM?

The guy falsely accused of the Atlanta bombing comes to mind.

 

[Deleted member 227458]

MAC addresses are not the same. They're tied to the device itself and don't change. IP addresses are for routing data and do change. To give an example: the MAC address of your laptop will be the same no matter where you are, but the IP will be different depending on whether you are at home, at Starbucks, etc.

PR, I'm a Luddite, so I value your expert knowledge r/t tech. Question: Assuming MT had both with her up until the point of her disappearance, would the info from MT's Fitbit and phone yield the same type of info and the same level of detail r/t her locations and times? Or would one of those devices give LE a better/more detailed picture as to her movements than the other?

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Weird they keep going back to the pig farm. Look what a special agent said July 27:

"They also searched a pig farm several times near Guernsey, Iowa, about 10 miles south of Brooklyn. Richard Rahn, special agent in charge of the Iowa Department of Public Safety's Division of Criminal Investigation, told ABC News it's "not uncommon" to go back to a site and conduct additional searches as tips come in.

Rahn declined to reveal what clues, if any, investigators may have found at the pig farm. But he said one thing is for certain -- Tibbetts isn't there.

"I can tell you she's not there. Aside from that, I'm not sure what I'm able to release, but she's certainly not there," Rahn said in an interview July 27.

The disappearance of University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts: A timeline

It's possible he intentionally put the pig farm possibility out there, because the owner was one of the people flagged in the area by someone...and they just wanted to test if any others would come forward with additional reason to suspect someone involved with that property. If more info came out, they'd go back...

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe those who are leaning more towards the “known” suspect camp can help me out here. I have no idea what happened (clearly) and am torn when thinking through all of the possible scenarios. However, what I can’t work out is why the stranger angle is being so discounted. Specifically, this reminded me of the jogger in Princeton, MA who was attacked and killed. Although Princeton is larger than Brooklyn (~3k), it’s by no means a “large” town (at least imo). Could the same thing not have happened? Just curious on why the consensus across these threads seems to be leaning more towards known assailant/suspect.

I also brought up the Vanessa Marcotte case for the same reason. An assailant unknown to the victim, who didn't live in the same small, rural town as her. It's definitely a very valid point as it's a perfect example of how a stranger could be involved.

 

[GutInstinct]

The pig farm is 15 miles from Brooklyn, correct? Cheney is a convicted stalker? What brought LE to the pig farm? Was it her fit bit? Her phone?

Seems he has been cooperative, he gave them his phone, let them search his property without a warrant and went in to the fire house for 2 hours of questioning.

I don't blame him for not wanting to take a polygraph. There is nothing for him to gain in it, they won't stop bugging him if he passes or fails. He is like the farmer in Abby and Libby's murders, his house is close to where they think some evidence may be.[/QUOT

Where I live there are community and town FB pages. In my nj town of 2500, I would say that a large majority of those 2500 are connected to the town public and open Facebook group with their personal fb page. It's where members of the community can ask questions, post news, comment om something happening in the town, etc. 1. I wonder if there is such a platform for Brooklyn residents or the greater community, and 2. Would the pig farm location be included in that geo-community? Thoughts?

 

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There was a post a few days ago, the day of the last hog farm search. The poster said he/she was part of that last search and mentioned that the findings, if any, would be discussed at the press conference yesterday. Wondering if that person has posted again since....

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I copied this post from the last thread because it was closed before I could respond. I believe the poster (who is in the process of becoming a VI) said they would share more IF more information was shared during the PC. They posted after the PC and basically said they are following LE’s lead and would not release more information.

I also remember reading somewhere along the way that they used fire fighters and emts for the searches that day, which further indicates to me that LE was trying to keep control of whatever information came out of the searches.

While I wish LE would share more information, I respect that folks on the periphery follow their lead. And I always love having a VI on a case.

Yes, the person did post again but declined to share anything beyond what LE confirmed in the PC. I totally respect the decision given the overall situation with LE communication with the public.

 

[SharonNeedles]

It is interesting that a local person's name is out there. How often does that happen? And interviewed by MSM?

The guy falsely accused of the Atlanta bombing comes to mind.

If you’re referring to WC, he’s not local. There’s really no reason to think he knows anybody in Brooklyn nor would they know him.

 

[Knox]

WC just isn’t bright enough to do such a good cleanup job. No way.

Maybe he isn't the target of LE's affection, but they are using him to get to someone else. A relative maybe? Who knows, this case has me flip-flopping by the hour!!

 

[Stormy21]

I also brought up the Vanessa Marcotte case for the same reason. An assailant unknown to the victim, who didn't live in the same small, rural town as her. It's definitely a very valid point as it's a perfect example of how a stranger could be involved.

Brooklyn isn't far from I-80. But the odds of this are incredibly small. However, this is not something that is easily solved, obviously.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I also brought up the Vanessa Marcotte case for the same reason. An assailant unknown to the victim, who didn't live in the same small, rural town as her. It's definitely a very valid point as it's a perfect example of how a stranger could be involved.

In my mind, a stranger angle isn't discounted. It's just less probable.

 

[bestill]

There’s another likely innocent person that’s getting a lot of speculation locally and this is just making me sick. This has really got to stop.

All this online speculation could ruin lives. I'm so glad to be on WS right now!

 

[cluciano63]

Right now, getting shades of the old landowner in Delphi as far as this guy goes...depends if a “tip” sent LE there or a ping. A tip could be simply “weird old stalker” i.e

 

[PaulR]

PR, I'm a Luddite, so I value your expert knowledge r/t tech. Question: Assuming MT had both with her up until the point of her disappearance, would the info from MT's Fitbit and phone yield the same type of info and the same level of detail r/t her locations and times? Or would one of those devices give LE a better/more detailed picture as to her movements than the other?

Cell networks may be able to triangulate the location of the phone using tower data, but it's not terribly accurate - the FCC says about 3/4th of a square mile.

If the Fitbit was forcing the phone to poll GPS/GLONASS and sending it to Fitbit servers, it would be accurate to within a few meters. I also suspect it is transmitting more often, plus you get heart rate which could be useful (did she fight someone, etc.)

E911 was put in place to send GPS data with cell phone based 911 calls because of triangulation issues: Enhanced 9-1-1 - Wikipedia

 

[MassGuy]

In my mind, a stranger angle isn't discounted. It's just less probable.

I agree that it's less probable here, just making the point that it's in play.

 

[Stormy21]

If you’re referring to WC, he’s not local. There’s really no reason to think he knows anybody in Brooklyn nor would they know him.

He is local alright. When you look at rural areas, it is better to refer to counties, rather than towns. In Iowa, court records are public. And you can see Powashiek Co has quite a database on certain people.

I would add certain people in the area not only stalk, but repeatedly violate restraining orders.

 

[tokyorose]

2 a.m. is correct. Front Street Tap. The town's only bar, aka "The Bar with No Stools."

Thanks! I really wish it was easier to know the nature of this vandalism. Local knowledge would be really helpful here. Graffiti vs a break in would easily rule out any connection to Mollie's case. If this is somehow related to Mollie, then I wonder if it's also the reason LE wants footage from the Casey's general store. Maybe someone was in there looking for very specific types of supplies and struck out... if they could link that someone to both locations it would be significant...MOO. Vandalism could be unrelated but it seems really coincidental.