Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #14

[SharonNeedles]

@SharonNeedles There's a lot of conjecture going on here. We don't know what anyone knows.

No we don’t. And we certainly don’t know that a crime had even been committed.

 

[shanadk]

Way behind in the discussion, but if we were to consider where Mollie disappeared if it happened at 7:45 when she was jogging to her mom's house - thoughts?

Or, she was depressed and overwhelmed...Maybe something had happened...

 

[Mr. Obvious]

Way behind in the discussion, but if we were to consider where Mollie disappeared if it happened at 7:45 when she was jogging to her mom's house - thoughts?

I don't think she came home after her jog and I also don't think she had definitive plans to see her Mom, get car, et al - or - why didn't Mom raise alarm bells knowing that MT was staying in that home alone?

Most parents, friends, et al would try to contact a responsible child, friend when said child, friend didn't show up as planned.

That's why her employer was alarmed when she didn't show up for work.

 

[zencompass]

Way behind in the discussion, but if we were to consider where Mollie disappeared if it happened at 7:45 when she was jogging to her mom's house - thoughts?

Thank you, Otto.

This is excellent!

 

[otto]

Dear Otto,

And also because she would still be wearing her jogging clothes during that time period?

Yes. That also supports the point that she was abducted in the evening wearing her jogging clothes, and not walking to her mom's house in the morning.

I guess that's where the "red shirt" comes in. It's possible that she was wearing her red work shirt over her running clothes to work, so where is the red shirt? I can understand wearing the red shirt to work, but not wearing her running clothes from the night before under her red work shirt. Also, her mom said that two of her red work shirts were at home, and ... did she wear the red shirt every day or just for field trips?

Either way, I'm pretty sure she was abducted during her evening run to collect the car.

 

[MassGuy]

Hopefully we can all agree that LE has budgets and limited resources - and - more cases than manpower can handle (unfortunately)!

Simple math makes it Obvious to me that they know she didn't kidnap herself (Lebowski reference)......

Conservatively - 40 detectives at $50 an hour ( again, conservatively) = $16,000 a day (8 hours - I know it's low)

15 + days and they've already spent $240,000

Add in minimal expenses for hotel, food, gas, et al and you're well beyond $300,000

$300,000 (so far) for a potential runaway = highly unlikely IMHO

I think I’ve agreed with just about every post, this one included. This is one of a significant number of reasons why abduction is overwhelmingly likely. This sure looks like LE knows what this is, and it’s not a voluntary disappearance.

 

[gitana1]

There are several possibilities. They aren’t sure. They don’t want to say “kidnapping” for some reason. They don’t want to reveal how much they actually know, perhaps to make a POI feel comfortable. All we can do is speculate though.

I'm with you on a lot of your opinions. This one and the likelihood that she is victim of a serial kidnapper. Most do have cooling off periods. And the median according to this research is 34 days!

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

 

[Tricia]

I’ll go ahead and create threads for them, give me a few minutes.

Need to double check that is msm...
ETA the links you provided seem to be from the Iowa DPS...going to flag a mod to find out if this is acceptable as a sufficient source.

If DPS is Department of Public Safety then yes it is an approved source.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm with you on a lot of your opinions. This one and the likelihood that she is victim of a serial kidnapper. Most do have cooling off periods. And the median according to this research is 34 days!

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

That’s a really interesting statistic. I love Douglas and Ressler’s books about profiling (that study you linked was co written by them). Mindhunter is probably my favorite but if you’re interested in what goes on in the minds of serial offenders, there’s no better resource than any of their books.

 

[GhostGhost]

There was at least six young women missing from the Rt. 29 corridor in VA.

Is Rt. 80 a hunting ground?

Trolling for Victims.

I suspect she was taken during the Jog.

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[Consultant]

Hopefully we can all agree that LE has budgets and limited resources - and - more cases than manpower can handle (unfortunately)!

Simple math makes it Obvious to me that they know she didn't kidnap herself (Lebowski reference)......

Conservatively - 40 detectives at $50 an hour ( again, conservatively) = $16,000 a day (8 hours - I know it's low)

15 + days and they've already spent $240,000

Add in minimal expenses for hotel, food, gas, et al and you're well beyond $300,000

$300,000 (so far) for a potential runaway = highly unlikely IMHO

I literally did the budget no more than an hour ago and got the same dang numbers. Weird.
Anyways, i didn’t post it because I didn’t want to sound cold lol. There are budgetary limits.

 

[Consultant]

There was at least six young women missing from the Rt. 29 corridor in VA.

Is Rt. 80 a hunting ground?

Trolling for Victims.

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It’s late but I was thinking the same thing. I looked over the state’s missing persons website and I think I have a project for tomorrow.

 

[zencompass]

Yes. That also supports the point that she was abducted in the evening wearing her jogging clothes, and not walking to her mom's house in the morning.

I guess that's where the "red shirt" comes in. It's possible that she was wearing her red work shirt over her running clothes to work, so where is the red shirt? I can understand wearing the red shirt to work, but not wearing her running clothes from the night before under her red work shirt. Also, her mom said that two of her red work shirts were at home, and ... did she wear the red shirt every day or just for field trips?

Either way, I'm pretty sure she was abducted during her evening run to collect the car.

Dear Otto,

I agree.

It is the fact that she had to have been wearing her jogging clothes that threw out my theory of walking to her Mom's very early the next morning.

The dogs were in the basement because Mollie was not in the house.

Seven o'clock at night is considered "evening" so her homework could have been done by then.

We are not privy to when the actual snapchat was sent. We know that it was "opened" around 10:00 p.m., but not when it was sent.

Your information makes the most sense.

I have to sign off now (to go to bed) however I look forward to studying your map thoroughly in the morning.

Thank you for being such an integral part of this thread, just as you are on other threads.

Much appreciated,

 

[Confusion]

Way behind in the discussion, but if we were to consider where Mollie disappeared if it happened at 7:45 when she was jogging to her mom's house - thoughts?

My thought on a typical route was W Des Moines St., south on Jackson to Front street, West on Front Street to Orchard Street, East on Pershing to Jackson, north on Jackson to W. Des Moines and back to the house. It comes to 47+ minute walk, so it would probably be fairly close to a 45 minute run/jog. After that, she might normally grab whatever she needed (glasses, license, etc.) and walk to her mothers. Does that sound plausible at all?

 

[Mr. Obvious]

I literally did the budget no more than an hour ago and got the same dang numbers. Weird.
Anyways, i didn’t post it because I didn’t want to sound cold lol. There are budgetary limits.

Great minds think alike?

I don't consider it 'cold' at all - but positive they they think she's alive and worthy of such an expenditure!

 

[Trino]

What's interesting to me is this town has approximately 1400 people living in it, yet it appears no one has mentioned seeing a stranger or anyone lurking around the town. While Brooklyn is near I-80, what would even lure a stranger get off I-80 to go to Brooklyn?

 

[blazelet]

I’ve just been lurking, following websleuths because you guys tend to post new news faster than google.

But I wanted to contribute tonight and simply add my hopes that mollie is ok.

I have regular talks with my kids about respecting others and being mindful of where you are and what’s happening. It’s hard because three weeks in, one of the best chances she has is actually that someone did take her ... and that for whatever reason they are keeping her alive.

And none of this is Mollies fault

My kids are my life. If they disappeared like this, I think I’d lose my mind. If my hope was between them being gone or being held ... well ... I’d really hope someone had them

My daughter is currently 6, but in a blink she will be mollies age. I know humanity won’t be better at that point. I wish we could be ... so I’ll hold hope. And I’ll teach my kids to be better. And I’ll feel heartbreak for the unlucky ones. Because really it boils down to bad luck on the part of a few bad actors.

I hope she’s found in a good way. Thank you all for pulling for her.

 

[otto]

Where and why, I have no idea. But there are a whole lot of assumptions in that one sentence... I don't know whether a psychology degree is a path to a great future or not, it's certainly a path to a lot of debt. No idea how strong her bond to her boyfriend is. Seems certain members of the family are a lot more loving and close than others. Not sure she was all that excited about an in-laws wedding in the DR either. It would be fair to say we don't know this girl at all and have no idea what she's thinking.

Master's degree in Psychology is required to practice as a psychologist in the USA, so Mollie was a long way from reaching her goal career.

We don't know anything about Mollie except what we have learned from her family and the facts surrounding her disappearance. From her family, we know that she had dreams to be a psychologist (like her mom?). From her job we know that she had responsibilities. From her online summer course we know that she was trying to get through classes as fast as possible. From her social life we know that she was traveling to the D.R. for a wedding. From her new passport we know that she has not traveled. From her daily jog we know that she was health conscious. From her mother we know that she disappeared wearing jogging clothing and carrying jogging devices.

 

[Confusion]

My thought on a typical route was W Des Moines St., south on Jackson to Front street, West on Front Street to Orchard Street, East on Pershing to Jackson, north on Jackson to W. Des Moines and back to the house. It comes to 47+ minute walk, so it would probably be fairly close to a 45 minute run/jog. After that, she might normally grab whatever she needed (glasses, license, etc.) and walk to her mothers. Does that sound plausible at all?

I just wanted to quote myself for something different, I've never done it before! Since I've been on this kick about her being grabbed in from of the hardware store, I also wanted to add some times here. If she left home at ~7:30 and walked to Jackson because she was texting Mom and DJ, and then started running on Jackson, I believe it would have been approximately 7:45-7:50 when she got to the hardware store. Just something to consider. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

What's interesting to me is this town has approximately 1400 people living in it, yet it appears no one has mentioned seeing a stranger or anyone lurking around the town. While Brooklyn is near I-80, what would even lure a stranger get off I-80 to go to Brooklyn?

I have a few thoughts. It possible that it’s not a stranger. It’s possible that it is and he had the cover of darkness. This person may have had a reason to be in the area, and seized the opportunity.