Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #16

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  • #801
I understand the public may not have a right to know anything from LE, but my argument would be there is a lady missing for 3 weeks now. That’s all I got.


30 or 40 highly trained federal professionals and local le, all paid by the public- on one case for 3 weeks. We all know how many people are reported missing, not all voluntary- who get far less manpower. With all the technology and digital footprints available. Yeah, I expect results by now....
 
  • #802
I just cannot understand for the life of me why WC gave any interviews to the media. It just baffles me. He put himself into the public's mind of being a suspect. Is he looking for notoriety? Does he think he's outsmarting the FBI? Was he just hoping to clear his name by saying he allowed the searches and questionings? Plus, who would just hand over their phone to LE? I'm kind of wondering about the things he said. Maybe he just wants the public to think he's cooperating to the fullest. LE hasn't told us this. ugh.
This is the “Iowa Nice” you may have heard about. It quite often applies to people you wouldn’t necessarily consider nice. When people talk us, we’re not rude.
 
  • #803
Except the number is less then half that. So it is far off.

All that matters is if the 1 person who took her has a gun. Who cares what percentage of people in the area have them? Someone looking to kidnap someone is pretty likely to have a weapon, I'd say more likely than the average resident of any area so local stats don't really pertain to them.
 
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Agree about the dogs being in the basement. But imo if someone came to pick her up at home, she could have put the dogs in the basement as she left.
I could also see her putting the dogs in the basement if someone messaged that they were going to drop by/drop something off and she was afraid they’d act up.
 
  • #806
I wish we just knew how she went missing. LE has only told us they don't know why.
 
  • #807
Additionally, Mortvedt said investigators have filed dozens of search warrants for Tibbetts’ social media accounts — including Facebook, Twitter and Snapchat — and her cell devices, such as her phone and Fitbit, in the hopes they will offer some clues.

“We are now just starting to get information back from those warrants,” he said. “and there is a ton of information to go through and figure out what’s relevant an what’s not to this investigation.”
Investigators turn to social media accounts and GPS data in Mollie Tibbetts' disappearance
Posted July 25 - I missed the part about the warrants and getting information back.
 
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It looks better if you have a lawyer that says “no, I won’t let him take a polygraph”, instead of WC saying he won’t.
Of course then it would be why did he lawyer up? Lol
 
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  • #811
LE has repeatedly stated what she was wearing when seen in public - and it references jogging attire.

I'm just saying... Someone witnessed her jogging in her jogging clothes. But for all we know, she could have been taken while doing her homework after her jog, or while in the shower before bed... we just don't know for sure.
 
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30 or 40 highly trained federal professionals and local le, all paid by the public- on one case for 3 weeks. We all know how many people are reported missing, not all voluntary- who get far less manpower. With all the technology and digital footprints available. Yeah, I expect results by now....

Well said!!!!
 
  • #814
Has the fact that mollie might of needed her contacts to go jogging been discussed?
I believe there was discussion regarding contacts back a few threads...
 
  • #815
One other thought in regards to the burglaries. Maybe a way to test LE response time?

I agree with you.
Also, maybe, the vandalism on the night of the disappearance, might have been a diversionary tactic because someone was planning an abduction within the hour of braking the glass at the store.
 
  • #816
30 or 40 highly trained federal professionals and local le, all paid by the public- on one case for 3 weeks. We all know how many people are reported missing, not all voluntary- who get far less manpower. With all the technology and digital footprints available. Yeah, I expect results by now....
I wonder sometimes if the family can say 'enough this is not working' and get in a new team with better results? In the beginning most of us bought the 'tight to the vest' not so much anymore.
 
  • #817
Security cameras at co op: -out of service
Two massive dogs: -locked in basement
Boyfriend, and other 2 rmmates: -out of town

I believe they entered the home while Mollie was out running; and took control when she walked back in the door.
Those broken cameras next door, are a red flag. I wonder how many Co Op employees have been questioned.
 
  • #818
It looks like with the searches they are investigating disappearing on a run and investigating MT leaving from the home as indicated by the day. The Father's statement is strong "went into the home to harm her".
I thought the statement alluded more to he didn't believe someone went into the home with the intention to harm her...
 
  • #819
Ha ha! I can relate. I'm the type of person if someone makes an allegation in a room about someone doing something, and I know it wasn't me, I immediately turn red and look guilty!

But what if it was a loved one who was missing or dead? I also have anxiety disorder and have reacted the same way as you to a sudden camera. But I would do it in a heartbeat if it was someone I loved who went missing or turned up dead.

The key also is how do non-lawyers tend to respond when asked to do one? Why would someone who knows he shouldn't take a polygraph also talk to LE?

Polygraphs are psychological. They aren't science but they can be very effective. Because they're used in the context of an interview/interrogation. It's actually part of it. So instead of saying, "I believe you're lying. I believe you know exactly what happened to Tiffany. I think you hurt her." They may say, "Did you have anything to do with the death of Tiffany? Did you harm her in any way? Did you kil her?" "Sir take a look at this chart. What this shows me right here - and this is the machine, not me- you're being deceptive. So you need to tell us what you know."

The only difference between agreeing to be interviewed by LE and a polygraph is the results of the polygraph aren't admissible but what you say to LE is.

I am very interested when close family or loved ones refuse. I do not believe that ANY innocent loved ones would refuse a polygraph if their person is missing unless they're sociopaths.

But other people? Refusal to take one may or may not indicate anything. How sophisticated is the person? Do they have experience with the criminal justice system or the law? Are they also refusing to talk at all?

If WC is actually talking to LE, but refusing a polygraph? That's a possible red flag to me.

Otherwise, not really.

Right--I'm another one--agonizingly embarassing bright-red blush because someone else in the room might be suspected of something. Nothing like that to make you a bit distrustful of polygraphs.

I agree that if a loved one had disappeared, I'd be willing to take one, out of sheer desperation. However, I remember hearing someone famous in LE--was it John Douglas? I'm not sure--say that family members shouldn't. The argument was that they'd probably be full of guilt, even if they were totally innocent of real wrongdoing. (Why did I let her walk to school? Etc.)
 
  • #820
It is strange, but I grew up in a rural area and know of a lot of older folks that never ventured further than 15 minutes away from their house. He may be using absolutes when he is saying he NEVER goes to Brooklyn, when he may mean he rarely goes.
I live in a small town in Iowa and there are two "bigger" towns both 20 miles away from me. One I go to all of the time, the other one I maybe go once every 2 years. Grinnell or Montezuma would have the things he needs so likely he travels to one of those to do his shopping and whatnot. Brooklyn won't offer him as many things as either of those could.
 
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