Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #20

[MisterMayor]

Yes, it is a well put together map from @Jennifermn and I highly recommend everyone on here to check it out if you haven't already. IMO, the running east on Pershing Dr. and running west on Pershing Dr. is both possible.

For example, she starts her run heading east on Pershing Dr. toward the funeral home. Along the way she hits East 2nd Street, and eventually she starts jogging back home at some point.

Running west on Pershing Dr. can lead back home.

Remember neighbor David Collum's intel from LE that she ran past his house and made it home that evening. If you see DC's location on Jennifer's map, heading west on Pershing then up West Street to go back home is plausible.

The tough thing with trying to guess her jogging route is that we only have points...we have no idea what points are in between, in what order she hit them, etc. I mean, she most likely wasn't running in some crazy pattern and its reasonable to assume some of the "loops" and paths suggested so far, based on what we know. However, all that said...like you, I get the feeling that she may have completed her jog without incident and made a separate trip toward her mom's house later the night of the 18th or very early on the 19th (prior to brother's unopened text at 730am)

 

[El Mago]

The other thing that struck me was that RT said she had a phone, which, if it were in her jogging holder on her arm, I doubt he would have noticed. My guess, although nothing was mentioned, was that she was using her phone, most likely texting or using SM. She either stopped running to use the phone, or she was using her phone during a later walk. The content of such communication, if it is somebody she knows that is responsible, may prove pivotal in explaining what happened to her.

I am sure the FBI is either trying to get that content, or already has it.

RT's phone observation is important. I am leaning towards Mollie using her phone on a later walk.

Keep in mind that the walk from the boyfriend's house to mom's is about 20+ minutes, 1-mile in length.

Playing on her phone to waste time is to be expected in a young adult. There's a good chance her earbuds were still in and she was listening to music or watching videos, which makes her that much more vulnerable in a possible abduction scenario along the way.

 

[zecats]

Is that a military will?

No. I donate blood frequently and Red Cross sent me a link to make and print a free will. Standard questions. Easy. But I liked that it covered digital assets as well.

 

[PommyMommy]

The one witness (I forget which one) had said he saw her walking nonchalantly past his window and said she had a phone. It's possible she did text her mom while on the run. Maybe she stopped to walk for a bit and texted her then.

How close is this witness to the BF's house? If it's near the beginning of her run, she may have still been warming up and therefore walking and also texting. JMO

RT, 1/2 mile east

 

[Hatfield]

Yes they would have more success and we would see far more missing people if they did this. Out of money for rent? NP go take someone and claim a reward without having to pay any consequences. Can't open that door ever.

Thank you. I have been trying to shoot holes in why that would be a bad idea and you just found the large hole in that.

It gets hard to figure out the wording in a reward to allow a returned deceased body location.

I do agree with another poster that at a minimum they should allow a reward for information leading to an arrest of someone responsible.

 

[spiritkiss]

If you forcefully took a person, what would you do with the phone? Wait until final destination, throw it out along the way and if so on side of road or in creek/river while going over a bridge, or keep it, or keep it with person that was abducted?
If you have a phone in that town how close physically to its last location could you get and can you tell when and where it was turned off? I would think that the general location it was turned off would be where they would throw it out approx. if thats what they did.
Since it was turned off I believe that the suspect/s were aware of the phone/fitbit and new it would track them and how it would track them. How to stop it from tracking them. That makes the percent chance of it being someone younger and tech savy higher than say a person raised in the "before cellular years" say in the 60s, 70s 80s. I would guess this person born later 80s ,90s or later. Just a guess.

 

[zecats]

The tough thing with trying to guess her jogging route is that we only have points...we have no idea what points are in between, in what order she hit them, etc. I mean, she most likely wasn't running in some crazy pattern and its reasonable to assume some of the "loops" and paths suggested so far, based on what we know. However, all that said...like you, I get the feeling that she may have completed her jog without incident and made a separate trip toward her mom's house later the night of the 18th or very early on the 19th (prior to brother's unopened text at 730am)

It’s hard to pin point for sure. But the absence of all articles of clothing, cell phone, ear buds and arm band seems to refute that I would think. At least the jogging clothes would. How long would she keep them on after her run.

 

[VeryVeritas]

I’m confused as how some are saying the lack of evidence points towards her going somewhere willingly. I believe the lack of evidence points towards a random abduction.

Whenever someone goes willingly, there is almost always some sort of electronic trail of some sort. There would also probably be video surfacing of them stopping at stores for snacks or gas. You can see other random abductions that work out that way, such as the teacher that took the teenage girl a year or two ago.

If she was abducted suddenly by a stranger or slight acquaintance, there would be zero electronic evidence. There would be very little physical evidence. There would be zero video evidence because she was probably killed within 24 hours (probably less). And the body could literally be anywhere in the country.

Maybe you answered your own question.

 

[VeryVeritas]

It’s hard to pin point for sure. But the absence of all articles of clothing, cell phone, ear buds and arm band seems to refute that I would think. At least the jogging clothes would. How long would she keep them on after her run.

Most likely long enough to get home (DJ/BJ/AH's) or mom's.

 

[MisterMayor]

It’s hard to pin point for sure. But the absence of all articles of clothing, cell phone, ear buds and arm band seems to refute that I would think. At least the jogging clothes would. How long would she keep them on after her run.

It's a great question...and a reasonable assumption. Even if she had been known to stay in her running clothes for awhile after a run, the missing armband and earbuds would suggest she was running.

 

[wary]

Actually I expect it to be pretty uneventful. It really is a quiet town, probably more so during State Fair Week.

Actually, I'm expecting people to see a car driven by a man, trailing behind a little girl--and they call the cops. Stay calm when they stop you, and it'll make a great story for your grandkids.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Saw this on twitter, RT was interviewed. We may have something to discuss later.
Sarah Beckman on Twitter

Omg... I really want to swing by the state fair tonight anyway! Faster Pussycat is on the stage at 8pm if anyone wants to get together after the show to discuss!

 

[Stormy21]

Yes, it is a well put together map from @Jennifermn and I highly recommend everyone on here to check it out if you haven't already. IMO, the running east on Pershing Dr. and running west on Pershing Dr. is both possible.

For example, she starts her run heading east on Pershing Dr. toward the funeral home. Along the way she hits East 2nd Street, and eventually she starts jogging back home at some point.

Running west on Pershing Dr. can lead back home.

Remember neighbor David Collum's intel from LE that she ran past his house and made it home that evening. If you see DC's location on Jennifer's map, heading west on Pershing then up West Street to go back home is plausible.

Except, Pershing and E 2nd street are parallel. There has to a N-S route? Anyone see her on Jackson? That's a main drag.

 

[MisterMayor]

I don't see anything along these lines looking at the google map, but is there a chance that there might be some kind of path or more direct route between BF's house and Mom's house? Something that would take her through the grounds of the high school, for instance? Appears to be a field of some kind and not likely that there is any kind of path that she could (or would be willing to) take to get to her mom's more quickly from BF's.

 

[VeryVeritas]

If you forcefully took a person, what would you do with the phone? Wait until final destination, throw it out along the way and if so on side of road or in creek/river while going over a bridge, or keep it, or keep it with person that was abducted?
If you have a phone in that town how close physically to its last location could you get and can you tell when and where it was turned off? I would think that the general location it was turned off would be where they would throw it out approx. if thats what they did.
Since it was turned off I believe that the suspect/s were aware of the phone/fitbit and new it would track them and how it would track them. How to stop it from tracking them. That makes the percent chance of it being someone younger and tech savy higher than say a person raised in the "before cellular years" say in the 60s, 70s 80s. I would guess this person born later 80s ,90s or later. Just a guess.

A targeted perp is most likely a male age 30 to 40. But they could be any age. The fact that they would do this would indicate their ill intent. Since no phone or fitbit has been found, they may not have been tossed out as immediately as the signal dropping. Consider, however if she were taken by someone in the town and is in one of those houses. The electronics could simply have been disabled. If the phone turned up on the side of the road, what would that tell us?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Actually, I'm expecting people to see a car driven by a man, trailing behind a little girl--and they call the cops. Stay calm when they stop you, and it'll make a great story for your grandkids.

We talked about that! Actually I don’t go to Brooklyn without my daughter specifically so I don’t look like a creeper. She would rather we both ride bikes through town and I think I like that idea better now.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

(This portion is transcribed from the video and not included in the text of the article.)

"Authorities have been extremely tight-lipped in this investigation. I spoke to someone in local law enforcement yesterday who says local law enforcement is basically being kept in the dark from the lead agencies, which is the FBI and the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigation, and we expect to get our weekly update from those lead agencies on Friday [today]."

Note: Their "weekly update" is apart from the press conference that's been re-scheduled for Monday.

Mollie Tibbetts likely went off in car with someone she knew, says FBI ex-profiler

It seems the circle of suspicion extends to beyond laymen... possibly due to a text message sent from MT to DJ regarding an experience she had at a library.

 

[MassGuy]

If you forcefully took a person, what would you do with the phone? Wait until final destination, throw it out along the way and if so on side of road or in creek/river while going over a bridge, or keep it, or keep it with person that was abducted?
If you have a phone in that town how close physically to its last location could you get and can you tell when and where it was turned off? I would think that the general location it was turned off would be where they would throw it out approx. if thats what they did.
Since it was turned off I believe that the suspect/s were aware of the phone/fitbit and new it would track them and how it would track them. How to stop it from tracking them. That makes the percent chance of it being someone younger and tech savy higher than say a person raised in the "before cellular years" say in the 60s, 70s 80s. I would guess this person born later 80s ,90s or later. Just a guess.

I think it’s likely that the phone was turned off early on in the abduction and possibly dumped around the same time. If the perp turned it off and threw it in a cornfield or water, it would be difficult and next to impossible to find respectively. My guess is that the perp is on the younger side, and would certainly know the danger of cell tracking. I think that’s why the areas that have been searched are in a relatively close proximity to Brooklyn, because the phone stopped transmitting early on.

 

[RavenCC2020]

My take on a timeline... she texts mom and agrees to dinner before 7:30. She takes her run but makes it back home safely. This would corroborate the neighbors interview that LE told him her Fitbit data informed them she ran past his home but got back safely. She does a little homework, snapchats a selfie to bf, perhaps is ambivalent about brats but wants the car for work the next day. This would make it about 9. Decides to walk to mom’s house. This is when I think something happened. It could be a stranger abduction or someone she’s seen in town who seemed harmless and offered her a ride because it’s getting dark. Fitbit and/or iPhone last pinged (or were located) near the farm. Hence, the repeated visits by LE, polygraph etc... I do thing the pig farm is significant, but not because of the farmer, more because of evidence located in the proximity. It could be when her devices were destroyed or tossed out a car window. From there, I hope LE knows...
MOO

This is one of those things that bothers me. I would like to know which LE told him that, if they even did or possibly a conclusion he made from what he was told. I can't see FBI saying that to anyone since they have been so tight lipped about everything else. Also I think they usually do not say what they know so far as to make sure what the possible witness tells them is "clean" and not as a result of anything they told them happened prior. I think this is especially important because they were attempting to figure out a timeline. I think they would have not said anything at all to him.

I guess it's possible that initially local LE said it to him because they are all in a small town and know each other and might be looser lipped then FBI. Perhaps it was done by one or the other possibly baiting him to see if he knew anything he wasn't saying.

Does anyone know when that neighbor was interviewed. Is he the guy on West Persching? I've been looking back and haven't found the article that it first appeared in. I do believe private citizens can misconstrue what they were told by LE not intentionally of course, just trying to repeat something that was said a day or two after might get all muddled.

 

[tabitha111]

Stormy 21- your post regarding some SK's keeping newspaper clippings of the stories of their killings resonated with me and made me remember a very curious incident that happened when I was in my 20's living in Bremerton, WA.

I was a very trusting and naïve young girl at that time and but for the grace of God, or naïve good luck, I got into some crazy situations but never had anything really bad happen to me. I look back now and seriously shake my head at myself!

I met a man, probably at a bar, because I used to go out dancing all the time back then and even go by myself. He asked me out and our "date" was to meet for a bite to eat at a local diner type place.

I drove there and met him. He had a big scrapbook with him and in it were newspaper clipping after clipping about the murders of a couple who had disappeared off a ferry. I even remember him telling me that "it was someone they met on the ferry on the ride over that they befriended and thought was a nice guy" I thought it was weird. I thought the whole conversation was super weird. He seemed obsessed with this couple.
So it gets even weirder...while we are sitting there (and by the way, we never ordered anything, he showed me this book right away) a guy walks in..its his friend! His friend joins us...and the guy I met acts like this was the plan all along. Like, here she is, I told you about her....needless to say at that point, I say I have to leave and I did.

Never saw or talked to him again. Never thought much about it, but I always felt that I dodged a bullet.

Now come to find out, I am pretty sure it was this guy- and I think his friend was in on this...or knew of this...

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