Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #6

[Rhia]

Billboard rent, fliers, buttons, posters, car magnets, airfare (for dad- maybe lodging too). I’m sure some expenses have been donated, but probably not all. This is why kids of poor people don’t get the media exposure/ pressure for law enforcement to assign the manpower it takes to break a case like this.

Definitely I know this first hand from my friends nieces case...nothing HUGE was spearheaded like some of these.

 

[Veracity]

I have an off the wall question - anyone know if there is satellite footage for Brooklyn for that window of time? As I was looking at the country roads I wondered - ok no cameras there but wait - what about satellites? I know it may seem extreme.

But what if it were your child? And the FBI could get it right? Anyone know anything about satellite images?

 

[gitana1]

I remember hoping LEO and other officials had more info they just weren't releasing with Missy Bevers. I really thought they were just keeping info "close to the vest" to protect the investigation. I was wrong. They still don't have a clue who murdered her and they have the murderer on tape. The killer was in disguise, but I still thought it would give them enough clues, esp throughout the interview and/or interrogation process.

This is probably easy for me to say, sitting on my comfy bed with zero LEO training

How do we know they have no clue who did it in the Missy Bevers case?

The fact is, they may have a great idea or strong suspicion, but maybe not enough for probable cause or perhaps not enough to sustain a conviction.

That doesn't mean they need to turn over everything they know to the general public and say, "Well we tried. Your turn now!"

Excellent comment. It is a key point.

I suspect, though, that LE doesn't want Jane and Joe Public rummaging through brush, fields and trash bins for those devices.

Then again, since LE has not done as we'd expect they should we might assume one or both devices aren't missing.

Exactly.

Is it ok to reference other cases and make comparisons? Like, can I say, do y'all remember the Lauren Giddens case in Macon, GA? Remember her next door neighbor, Stephen McDainel her killer gave that bizarre, creepy, rambling interview that a random reporter just happened to chat with him. Investigators turned their attention to him almost immediately after such an odd interview. So, my statement on how it pertains to this case is, can we get a local reporter to get some folks interviewed up???

Ha! I like that suggestion! Come on news.

What we need is for people to tell their friends and neighbors that if they saw anything that seemed even remotely out of the ordinary to call the authorities, and they will run that down,” Rob Tibbetts told “Good Morning America.” “The authorities have told us again and again and again that all the similar cases like this are always solved by some tip.”

From the link I last posted. Are they just relying on tips from the public?

I think everything points to the exact opposite.

Billboard rent, fliers, buttons, posters, car magnets, airfare (for dad- maybe lodging too). I’m sure some expenses have been donated, but probably not all. This is why kids of poor people don’t get the media exposure/ pressure for law enforcement to assign the manpower it takes to break a case like this.

Seriously!! My gosh. Many people live paycheck to paycheck. These peoplecant work but their bills don't stop. They still need to eat. Dad had to travel to be here. And lodging.

A tragedy like this can destroy a family financially. It always makes me sad that people question the need for these families tonhave financial support at times like this.

 

[Squirrel85]

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[Veracity]

Not sure, but maybe the poster is referring to the Telegraph Herald article that’s been posted with some headline of a jogger in Dubuque being attacked?

It seems to be behind a paywall or something for me, too. It says to log-in, subscribe, or pay $1 for a day pass. That’s all I can see. How is everyone else able to see the article?

This one:

UPDATE: Police seek tips on man after reported attack on jogger in Dubuque

I did not! I figured I would wait for the TV news channels to carry it. Better safe than sorry.

 

[borndem]

There is zero evidence that the FBI has been limited or restricted. That wouldn't even make sense.

And this case is being handled in the same way multiple cases are across the nation. They're working the case and not giving us their info.

In terms of missing persons cases this has not been a long time.

You are so right! Just look at the "Still Unsolved" cases we have here. This case is not any different -- we on WS have had to learn the hard way, for most of us, that it just takes t.i.m.e. The FBI comes into a place where they likely have never been for a case such as this. When was the last "missing person" case handled in this little town? I'm not trying to be cynical, impatient or critical with anyone or any group of officials. It just the way it seems to me.

If, if, if she met with the worst of foul play, her body could be in a 5-mile radius of where she was last seen, or it might be within a 500-mile radius. Her body may be "unfindable." There seem to be, as far as we know, few clues -- she wasn't in her car, she wasn't on a bicycle, she apparently didn't have a date or appt. with anyone, she didn't have her purse, she didn't scream or make a fuss -- as far as we know, if she was taken on her jog there would be no fingerprints or DNA left behind -- etc., etc. That's a tuff case to investigate. This case needs time, a productive phone tip,etc., and probably some lucky breaks. IMHO.

 

[slowpoke]

I asked that question a while back, and was told that this is the type of town where no one locks their door, and it's likely that she didn't have any keys.

Oh...thanks!

As a person living in the suburb of a major city, it’s hard for me to even think of not locking up my house! Heck, there’s times when I’ve even locked the door just to get my mail, which is across the street, come to think of it!

 

[Skagirl]

Seriously!! My gosh. Many people live paycheck to paycheck. These peoplecant work but their bills don't stop. They still need to eat. Dad had to travel to be here. And lodging.

A tragedy like this can destroy a family financially. It always makes me sad that people question the need for these families tonhave financial support at times like this.

I wasn't questioning the family's need for financial support as a bad thing...I was throwing out the idea that maybe there was another reason for it as I think 50K is a lot of money to ask for after not working for 1 week--again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing...

 

[gitana1]

OK where is the press conference or interview with the FBI's public information officer or for that matter the lead agent alerting the public how to contact them directly?

Not like all other cases. I have followed cases for over 40 years. And every state has a set of protocols they use when it comes to missing people. And the FBI can't just enter any missing person case - they have to be invited. And there are plenty of cases where they are asked to help but they don't send agents. They handle evidence or particular leads which cross jursidictionally.

In this case, we see lots of FBI shirted folks but whose in charge? I would respectfully disagree. with you.

Snipped for space.

"The FBI and Iowa state criminal investigators took over the case from local police on Tuesday."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...ollie-tibbetts-search-fitbit-information/amp/

The FBI has been invited. Once they come in they do what they need to do. I've never heard of the FBI being invited in and then restricted as to what they are allowed to do. That's illogical. Why invite them if they don't want their total help?

The FBI has been notorious, however, for not stepping on local toes and allows the local authorities to give press releases and info. And to maintain tip lines. They tend to be quietly working in the background.

Why no contact info for the FBI? Why would that be necessary?

 

[Veracity]

I can't answer that. I think Gray Hughes said as he was showing these images that there were years in-between. Maybe they're only done, say, every 5 years. Still, I haven't seen any other maps marked up like this showing where everyone lives in relation to one another. Personally speaking, I thought they were fantastic.

All the people associated with this case are on the map, so why do you need to see missing bits of roads?

Curious why the google car didn't include them - they are actual roads. When you try to use the street view you can't get but so far along two of the streets close to her BF's house.

If you had been around during the disappearance of Taylor Behl I am confident you would understand.

 

[JudgeJoe]

One topic that hasn't been discussed much yet is the reward. I haven't followed other missing persons cases very closely, but $2,000 seems quite low. I am surprised that LE or the family is not inviting people to chip in to add to this pot.

People in this area aren't wealthy folks, so of course $2,000 is something -- but it's not a life-changing sum of money. There are a number of reasons why people might hesitant about ratting out a suspicious friend/relative/colleague/neighbor, especially if doing so can't be anonymous to that person (for example if they would likely realize that you ratted them out). There is a real risk of destroying social relationships, especially if your hunch turns out to be wrong. This is an area where people are highly interconnected. You may be implicating your sister's boss, or your neighbor's husband, or the cousin of a good friend. Or people may feel vulnerable if they worry that their tip may be insufficient to lead to arrest/conviction. In that scenario, you've pissed off a violent criminal who remains walking free. To my thinking, $2K may be insufficient to outweigh some of these concerns. Now $50,000? $100,000? That might get people talking, because the prospective benefit starts to outweigh the (considerable) risks.

Edited to add: I feel like Mollie's case is getting enough press that they could easily crowdfund a MUCH larger reward. People who don't even know her would happily chip in $50 or $100 and it would grow quickly. But the only GoFundMe I've seen is to support her family's living costs while they take time off from work. That's also a good cause, presumably, but the reward to me would be a more attractive way to get donations, and more likely to actually help solve the case.

Every word spot on.

 

[Seattle1]

slowpoke said: ↑

Not sure, but maybe the poster is referring to the Telegraph Herald article that’s been posted with some headline of a jogger in Dubuque being attacked?
It seems to be behind a paywall or something for me, too. It says to log-in, subscribe, or pay $1 for a day pass. That’s all I can see. How is everyone else able to see the article?
This one:
UPDATE: Police seek tips on man after reported attack on jogger in Dubuque

I did not! I figured I would wait for the TV news channels to carry it. Better safe than sorry.

The latest is that the alleged attack on jogger on Sunday in Dubuque was based on joggers facebook comment, and later recanted. I believe that's why no other news outlet was reporting except for Telegraph Herald behind paywall.

 

[Veracity]

Not familiar with the "fundraiser" you're referencing. There's a FAKE/PHONY Dance Marathon "fund raiser" linked to a go fund me that has picture of Mollie & family but it's bogus UK account dated Nov 7, 2017!

made me think of the weirdness during the Tara Grinstead case as I read this...

 

[SharonNeedles]

<modsnipped quoted post>

Note that the gofundme page was set up for the family, not by the family. I actually thought about this early on too, but I don’t personally know the family.​

*modsnip*/ link removed as against TOS, please get accordingly familiar

 

[tigertales]

When we think motive and opportunity, trafficking aside, could this be a kidnapping for money or revenge? Connected to possibly drugs? Not by Mollie herself but maybe another? And maybe it was never intended to be her? Wrong place at the wrong time? I know the fiancé has been mentioned upthread as a possible “real target” but could Mollie have witnessed something on one of her runs and been targeted to silence her?

BTW I am new to WS this is my first post.

 

[El Mago]

For a middle aged man no it’s not the norm looking for a victim. That might be your generation and younger but that is not my generation. If we are to worry about any sort of person abducting her those being public are perfect for the wrong sort viewing. I said they weren’t BAD compared to some but if I can view them then ANYBODY can. Just saying what is acceptable to you and perhaps younger is not to all and potentially a lure for the wrong sort. ( although my 22 yr old daughter would never do it that I know and she’s model thin so I don’t even want to say ALL the younger generation behaves in that manner)

Everybody has their own lines drawn.

However, what I am disputing is the judging of the book by its cover. Some are thinking she had relationship problems based on some pics, messages, etc. Or that she was unhappy based on this tweet, etc. Social media is not as conclusive as people think it is. That's mostly what I am trying to say.

Furthermore, there seems to be a double standard when it comes to how girls should express themselves on social media versus boys. A guy in nothing but his underwear showing off his abs is totally cool. A girl showing off her body in underwear/bra is too compromising.

Truth is, perps are most likely gonna perp no matter what. They don't need social media for any extra impetus. People have been getting abducted, kidnapped, raped, etc. long before social media even existed. Could it be a contributing factor? Sure but highly doubt it's the tipping point.

 

[sueC]

Pella police say the man taking pics of joggers has turned himself in. He is in his 30's, lives in Des Moines. No charges filed yet but out of an abundance of caution they have shared info with investigators in Poweshiek County.

Man Turns Himself In to Pella Police After Being Caught on Camera Taking Teens’ Pics

 

[liz b.]

I see LE is not saying whether it is a forced entry or not. With regard to trying to pin down an evening or morning possible abduction : any sign that M. had showered that morning ? Any make up left out ? Were her sleeping clothes there ? Did it look as though she had eaten some breakfast, or had coffee ? All the while, I'm saying a prayer : please, do not let this be like the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse, where almost nothing is know these 12 years later...

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo but as far I’ve seen over the years, rewards do not solve cases. If people who are not involved have knowledge, they turn it in, jmo. Any person with real knowledge that leads to an arrest at this point is likely to be somewhat guilty, imo. And especially in this case where they won’t give a timeline. Also rewards are not generally paid until after a conviction, which can take years, so it does not allow for people to “start a new life” when they give the tip that brings an arrest, as I have often seen stated here. If anything rewards bring more attention, which this case is not lacking anyway and LE won’t say what type of info might help. Your average person has no clue, imo.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Curious why the google car didn't include them - they are actual roads. When you try to use the street view you can't get but so far along two of the streets close to her BF's house.

If you had been around during the disappearance of Taylor Behl I am confident you would understand.

The roads beyond the house Mollie was staying at are gravel - both 385th and 170th. Google may not want their drivers running the cars down gravel roads.

 

[Skagirl]

Note that the gofundme page was set up for the family, not by the family. I actually thought about this early on too, but I don’t personally know the family.​

Also a good point--I did miss that was for the family and not by the family (not that I'm accusing them of doing anything wrong even it was by the family), so THANK YOU for pointing that out.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo but as far I’ve seen over the years, rewards do not solve cases. If people who are involved have knowledge, they turn it in, jmo. Any person with real knowledge that leads to an arrest at this point is likely to be somewhat guilty, imo. And especially in this case where they won’t give a timeline. Also rewards are not generally paid until after a conviction, which can take years, so it does not allow for people to “start a new life” when they give the tip that brings an arrest, as I have often seen stated here. If anything rewards bring more attention, which this case is not lacking anyway and LE won’t say what type of info might help.

 

[Fascinated1]

I still can't get past the fact that she didn't show up for dinner and no one was alarmed. I am the mom of a 19 year old and if she told me she was coming and even asked me to buy specific dessert ingredients, I'd be worried if she didn't come. And if I couldn't reach her after multiple attempts and she lived only a mile away, I'd be inclined to go check. Especially knowing she was there alone watching the dogs. This doesn't strike a chord with anyone else?

I grew up in NE—granted it was a while ago-but what if the dinner messages were for the NEXT night-not Wednesday? We ate by 530 at the latest every day. Then no one would be upset until Thursday evening-which is when the panic set in? Sorry if mentioned already. I am working my way backwards thru this.

 

[human]

If she was her mom probably would have told her she would make something else...not just leave it at something she knew Mollie did not eat...

Or like in my family wher the kids and some grandkids are vegetarian, they bring their own favorite veggie dogs or burgers

 

[Momma2cam]

When we think motive and opportunity, trafficking aside, could this be a kidnapping for money or revenge? Connected to possibly drugs? Not by Mollie herself but maybe another? And maybe it was never intended to be her? Wrong place at the wrong time? I know the fiancé has been mentioned upthread as a possible “real target” but could Mollie have witnessed something on one of her runs and been targeted to silence her?

BTW I am new to WS this is my first post.

Welcome!! Anything is possible. I've seen this theory discussed in other cases (Libby and Abby comes to mind) also. Usually, simplest theory is most probable so I'm leaning more toward targeted attack by someone close to her or at least who wanted to be. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo but as far I’ve seen over the years, rewards do not solve cases. If people who are involved have knowledge, they turn it in, jmo. Any person with real knowledge that leads to an arrest at this point is likely to be somewhat guilty, imo. And especially in this case where they won’t give a timeline. Also rewards are not generally paid until after a conviction, which can take years, so it does not allow for people to “start a new life” when they give the tip that brings an arrest, as I have often seen stated here. If anything rewards bring more attention, which this case is not lacking anyway and LE won’t say what type of info might help. Your average person has no clue, imo.

Can’t seem to edit...should read “if people who are NOT involved...”

 

[Seattle1]

I see LE is not saying whether it is a forced entry or not. With regard to trying to pin down an evening or morning possible abduction : any sign that M. had showered that morning ? Any make up left out ? Were her sleeping clothes there ? Did it look as though she had eaten some breakfast, or had coffee ? All the while, I'm saying a prayer : please, do not let this be like the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse, where almost nothing is know these 12 years later...

No evidence regarding the "house" has been released to public whatsoever....

 

[Momma2cam]

When we think motive and opportunity, trafficking aside, could this be a kidnapping for money or revenge? Connected to possibly drugs? Not by Mollie herself but maybe another? And maybe it was never intended to be her? Wrong place at the wrong time? I know the fiancé has been mentioned upthread as a possible “real target” but could Mollie have witnessed something on one of her runs and been targeted to silence her?

BTW I am new to WS this is my first post.

Welcome!! Anything is possible. I've seen this theory discussed in other cases (Libby and Abby comes to mind) also. Usually, simplest theory is most probable so I'm leaning more toward targeted attack by someone close to her or at least who wanted to be. JMO.