IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #35

[CheetosDust]

I read this as she was found in the black shorts and pink sports bra she was reportedly last wearing.

To me it’s kind of hard to tell exactly what it means other than the clothing was there, whether it was on the remains or not seems nebulous from the wording.

 

[Alethea]

I'm hoping the same. My fear is that he'll take a plea and then he'll be deported, and then what? He gets walked to the turnstile, goes through and is now a free man? Would Mexico uphold his conviction?

He would serve is sentence before he was deported. There's always controversy over it but there have been too many cases where criminals are deported and then they come right back in.

 

[cody22]

That's unfortunate!!! Diversity is good.

Political posts will get this thread shut down.... Please stop it.

 

[Anthony96]

Wow, @Charliegizmo49 was just saying that there was more to his history than what has been publicized.

• Accused killer Cristhian Rivera pulled alongside another girl in his car as she walked through Brooklyn, Iowa, before being accused of Mollie Tibbetts murder
• The 17-year-old girl's older sibling Bailey Gibson, 18, told DailyMail.com her sister was 'creeped' out by Rivera's advances as he told her she was pretty
• 'It was more flirty than sexual. She didn’t appreciate it. Even though she knew him a little she felt unsafe and didn't want to talk to him,' Gibson said
• 'In the end she was really creeped-out by his behavior. She had to keep telling him she wasn't interested,' Gibson added

'It all clicked when we heard the news. It's so scary to think he did something similar with my sister,' added Bailey, who asked that her sibling not be named.

Omg what a lityle creep i knew that wasent the first time with molly there would be another

 

[SteveP]

I'm hoping the same. My fear is that he'll take a plea and then he'll be deported, and then what? He gets walked to the turnstile, goes through and is now a free man? Would Mexico uphold his conviction?

My understanding, though I could be wrong, is that he would serve any sentence before being deported, so I would assume he would never leave prison.

 

[Mom24]

He would serve is sentence before he was deported. There's always controversy over it but there have been too many cases where criminals are deported and then they come right back in.

Thanks, I wondered about that as they were talking about further issues in that arena and I worried that he would then be processed, possibly deported and then be free in Mexico. I believe this man will do this again if he's ever free.

 

[kpm]

EuTuCroquet: Apologies. I should have put JMVHO after my statement. I was only speculating.

This is what is known so far....

The farm employed Cristhian Bahena Rivera for four years but knew him by a different name, which he did not disclose.

In the case of Cristhian Bahena Rivera, the 24-year-old now charged with murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts, Rivera's ex-employer said Wednesday he provided an out-of-state ID card and Social Security number.


UPDATE: Experts say legal status system easily exploited

 

[MyBelle]

I'm hoping the same. My fear is that he'll take a plea and then he'll be deported, and then what? He gets walked to the turnstile, goes through and is now a free man? Would Mexico uphold his conviction?

There is absolutely no reason for the DA to offer a plea. They have very credible evidence including his confession and Mollie's body. Justice for Mollie means he's never getting out. He is a menace to society.

 

[Mom24]

This is what is known so far....

The farm employed Cristhian Bahena Rivera for four years but knew him by a different name, which he did not disclose.

In the case of Cristhian Bahena Rivera, the 24-year-old now charged with murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts, Rivera's ex-employer said Wednesday he provided an out-of-state ID card and Social Security number.


UPDATE: Experts say legal status system easily exploited

Buggers, I wish we could find out what that name was. Out of state too. Double buggers.

 

[Alethea]

I am not going to talk about the employer because I think it's inappropriate, but if you are going to accuse someone of being an accomplice or a contributory factor, you have to show proximate cause. A consequence has to be reasonably anticipated to flow from an event.

The best example of an accomplice is a getaway driver. If a getaway driver agrees, knowingly and willingly, to participate in a bank robbery, they are responsible for the reasonable consequences of that crime. Say while the getaway driver is sitting outside the bank, his partner's gun accidentally goes off and kills a bystander in the bank. Both the shooter and the getaway driver can be tried for felony murder. If a person dies during the commission of a felony, anyone who participated in the felony can be charged with felony murder.

If, in the situation above, the getaway driver borrowed the car from his sister who had no idea what he was doing, the sister is not liable for felony murder because she did not participate in the felony. She had no knowledge of it and she did not knowingly assist in any way. Since her car was involved, her car can be taken as evidence but she personally is not liable in the same way that the getaway driver is.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm hoping the same. My fear is that he'll take a plea and then he'll be deported, and then what? He gets walked to the turnstile, goes through and is now a free man? Would Mexico uphold his conviction?

If he is convicted, he will serve his sentence in USA. The sentence for the crime he is charged with is life.

I don't see how he could plea to anything. He has nothing to offer for prosecutors to make a deal.

I think his choice is either go ahead with a trial (and I predict a conviction) or plead guilty. The only way he is going to be deported is if he stands trial and is found not guilty. I don't see that happening at all.

jmo

 

[S. Gammon]

IMO this is a weird thing to be upset over. Does it sicken you when defendants in other cases get free representation? It’s a GOOD thing that he has proper representation. It doesn’t mean he will get away with his crimes.

Everyone is allowed to get representation in this country. The fact that someone is paying for him to get the best representation possible bothers me.

 

[Alethea]

To me it’s kind of hard to tell exactly what it means other than the clothing was there, whether it was on the remains or not seems nebulous from the wording.

Agreed, I think we can only assume the same general area.

 

[jamb06]

RBBM

Interesting. I have heard of this and would like to know more. I don't want to hijack the thread with discussing this; can you reference anything online that I can read?

TIA.

UPDATE: Experts say legal status system easily exploited

Both E-Verify and the Social Security Administration's program, immigration experts say, can be beaten with a state ID and a Social Security number belonging to someone else.​

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Buggers, I wish we could find out what that name was. Out of state too. Double buggers.

Maybe the name is of person who is a victim of identity theft.

We wouldn't want to sleuth an innocent person. JMO

 

[ellieuma]

Sadly I think so too.

I don’t think he was looking for a jogging partner or someone to just talk to and if reports are correct, he’s behaved this way with at least one other girl in town.

Did the other jogger just now come forward about being followed in Brooklyn by a stranger? If she knew MT went missing from her jogging route & didn’t immediately call LE about her experience..IMHO..that is odd. Odd especially since Brooklyn is a tiny town. Maybe she did tell LE earlier in the investigation, we just weren’t told...

 

[crhedBngr]

Goodnight all. Early morning.
Mollie know in your soul that we will continue to join your Family and Friends in seeking justice in your dear memory.
And you will spur us on to every new case that will come.
I've been doing things lately in dear Lucas' memory.
Now ya'll are together. Of this I am sure.
Both of you Rest In Gentle Peace Forever, Chi and Sancha Boo (she's sleeping),

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Awww, that face!

Yes, Mollie, Lucas, Robert Bee, Nico, Bella, Celeste, Abby, Libby, Lizzy, Lyric and the other innocents--never forgotten.

 

[Mica]

Was Mollie sexually assaulted? Why would the judge say Rivera would be put on a sex offender registry if convicted of murder?

>>snip

It is not yet clear how Mollie died or whether she was sexually assaulted thought Rivera was told during his court appearance Tuesday that he would be placed on the sex offender registry for life if convicted of murder.

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Map of area showing where Mollie was abducted and where her body was found.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I’m thinking conclusions can’t be drawn one way or another because in just over a month, even beneath a pile of corn, significant decomposition and possible animal disturbance would’ve likely occurred. The body was there, the clothing was there, there’s not a lot of other ways it could be described.

After a month in the elements we'll be lucky to get cause of death unless there's an obvious injury like a skull fracture, stabbing etc. Perhaps they might find foreign dna. Insect forensics can place how long she was there within a three day range.

I know this from reading Patricia Cornwell's books starring Dr. Kay Scarpetta.

 

[kc1023]

Everyone is allowed to get representation in this country. The fact that someone is paying for him to get the best representation possible bothers me.

But... did you see this "best representation possible" in action today? Because, no.

 

[24Roses]

Still have to wonder - did he know she was going to be alone that night. That no one would notice she’s gone for at least another 10-12 hours. Give him some time to get himself together. Or was that all by chance?

I haven't decided that yet. IMO-we still really don't know where she was going to sleep that night. Just because she was dog sitting while J family and fiance was gone doesn't mean it was going to continue all night. LE never released that info. IIRC-BJ was visiting his fiance that night. That doesn't mean it was going to be all night. I guess that would depend on where he was going to work the next day and what time.