IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #37

[Warwick7]

https://www.pathology.wisc.edu/sites/default/files/Types and patterns of injury.pdf

Injury Pattern analysis.

 

[Alethea]

So it can either be incised wound or a stab wound. I really don't understand "incised"

My understanding is incised is like an incision - long and shallow (think surgical incision). Compared to a stab that is normally deep but narrow.

 

[Breathe]

I think God waters the corn, and it drys out come fall. Any farmboys out there?

Thanks! (hangs head in shame) My part of Wyoming isn't corn country. We have the long sprinklers on wheels that water the hay fields. I feel like a dope. Thank you for replying.

 

[distracted]

If there is any soft tissue remaining, it may still be evident. Bones will show evidence of knife knicks, and clothing will have holes.

This is true. Forensic science is amazingly accurate.

LE was searching for a weapon today so I think we can assume they know what kind of weapon they are looking for or at least have it narrowed down.

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly, it had to have been swift because I do not see a lot of conversation about whether or not she was going to get in the car. I think he simply disabled her to facilitate the greater goal of taking her to another location for his greater crime.

Yeah. We’re not dealing with Rico Suave here. He wasn’t going to charm his way into getting her to go with him. Things would have escalated quickly, and he was forced to go to plan B, which ironically was the same as plan A, as the only way Mollie was going with him, is if he made her. He had to have known this.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I think portions of it are. For instance, I think he followed her. I think she probably DID tell him to leave her alone and then threatened to call the police. Those two things are reasonable reactions when one feels threatened. Beyond that, though, I don't know.

LE said in the PC this week that they have CR on video footage following her, so probably why he admitted to that as well as having 'seen' her running in that area before. He copped to what they already knew on that aspect. LE has not said anything about the veracity of the rest of his statements.

 

[Copper]

Thanks! (hangs head in shame) My part of Wyoming isn't corn country. We have the long sprinklers on wheels that water the hay fields. I feel like a dope. Thank you for replying.

Don't feel too bad. Iowa has plenty of those too, just for different crops growingn in different soil.

 

[distracted]

My understanding is incised is like an incision - long and shallow (think surgical incision). Compared to a stab that is normally deep but narrow.

I think both could be made by the same weapon. Think swipe as opposed to stab. In my gut, I know that Mollie fought back.

 

[Warwick7]

My understanding is incised is like an incision - long and shallow (think surgical incision). Compared to a stab that is normally deep but narrow.

I think you are right. So a sharp force injury can be either: a incised injury or a stab injury. If this is right. Could it be they are long and shallow cuts. As you said think surgical incisions. Now I am getting grossed out.

 

[Jax49]

I'm guessing "incised" is like biting. Not only is tissue penetrated, but it is also crushed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Incised is defined as a cut, longer than it is deep (on the link just shared).

If I understand correctly, an incised wound could be caused by the same instrument as a stab wound. The only difference being how it was used (slashing as opposed to stabbing).

 

[Sarah J. Scott]

After watching a few news conferences of CR’s attorney ... all I can say is WOW! I’m beginning to wonder if that man even went to law school. If he did what year did he pass the bar exam? In no way, shape or form am I supporting CR!!! I’m not saying that! In fact it’s the complete opposite. The guy doesn’t make a lick of sense!

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't know why, if CR had the phone in his possession, he would bring it with from the abduction site to the cornfield. Thinking about it, I think we can guess that MT either did not have the phone or was incapacitated while she was in the trunk. Otherwise, why not call for help.

She had no time. It's possible that he grabbed the phone from her, or knocked her out, then turned off the phone. I wonder if he did transport her in the trunk to another location, if he left the phone turned on in the car and dragged her 20 yards, would the fit bit still transcribe that far away? Then when he returns to the car he thinks of turning it off?

 

[Alethea]

I think both could be made by the same weapon. Think swipe as opposed to stab. In my gut, I know that Mollie fought back.

Agreed, a knife could do both. It's horrific but there are cases when someone has their throat slit - I think many of them would be considered incisions. Like distracted just said, it mostly has to do with the motion of the action (stab versus slash)

 

[kkdj]

Yeah. You certainly don’t take anything he says at face value. All it takes is one well placed punch to the face, and she would have been quite easy to abduct. I don’t think there was any “convincing” here. It was the only method he knew, force.

I think he ran along side her or behind her and stabbed her, incapacitating her but not killing her yet. Then he put her in his trunk and took her somewhere, probably the cornfield she was found in.
Somehow WC's location fits in but I'm not sure how yet. jmo, always open to change upon further information.

 

[Leney]

That's interesting. Do you think he could have been involved with this with girls from Mexico?

I80 is a well known human trafficking, drug etc. corridor.

 

[whiskers]

Thanks for answering my question!

I'm personally having a hard time imagining him lifting Mollie so many times- Into the supposed trunk. Out of the trunk and into the field. He's a little guy muscle wise. I'm not buying into much of his story and I suspect LE and the FBI isn't either. A month passed. He had time to get ducks in a row. It's not as cut and dry as his "story."

 

[mtnlites]

This is sensible to me. I do think he has performed SA's on others thru out his time here and possibly while in Mexico. I doubt he was in the sex trade business tho as I feel his motivation was for himself and not about money.

He is much more likely to act on his own than to be part of a trafficking ring. My mom sits on the human rights' commision in our state and she works with the trafficking force. Despite the social media scares, trafficking is REALLY rare. The majority of women who are trafficked are sold into indentured servitude, not prostitution. Those who are sold into sexual slavery tend to the trafficker's own family members. It is extremely rare for women to be kidnapped and trafficked. Traffickers want women who won't be missed-runaways, prostitutes, etc. Not popular middle class women from tiny towns with lots of media coverage.

While there IS trafficking from Mexico, it's still a very small amount. Ironically, traffickers tend to be legal immigrants with clean records- they don't want to stand out.

CR would have been a teenager in Mexuco. While I wouldn't be surprised to find SA in his history, I strongly suspect that he is just your average murdering sociopath.

Sources: I have attended many meetings and conferences on human trafficking with my mom. As a crises intervention specialist, I also had to undergo state training.

 

[MassGuy]

I think he ran along side her or behind her and stabbed her, incapacitation her but not killing her yet. Then he put her in his trunk and took her somewhere, probably the cornfield she was found in.
Somehow WC's location fits in but I'm not sure how yet. jmo, always open to change upon further information.

Yeah. I am super curious as to the connection. What brought law enforcement there?!

 

[Al Hoffman]

So it can either be incised wound or a stab wound. I really don't understand "incised"

Incised should be a clean cut, like with a razor or scalpel, longer than it is deep.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I think God waters the corn, and it drys out come fall. Any farmboys out there?

This farmgirl says yes, that's how corn grows and is harvested. It wouldn't be a profitable crop if it had to be watered, and lots of research and development has gone into developing corn seed that once planted, needs nothing but mother nature to grow until harvest time.