IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #37

[MsBetsy]

My understanding is incised is like an incision - long and shallow (think surgical incision). Compared to a stab that is normally deep but narrow.

Yes, the article that was linked had good pictures.

 

[Copper]

This is insane. Someone said yesterday they thought a group would donate money to try to get him out and I thought it was crazy and nobody would possibly try to bail out a guy who just admitted to murder and let police to the body..

I have no doubt there is at least one person out there who thinks CR should go free, just on principle.

 

[chi123]

I think he ran along side her or behind her and stabbed her, incapacitating her but not killing her yet. Then he put her in his trunk and took her somewhere, probably the cornfield she was found in.
Somehow WC's location fits in but I'm not sure how yet. jmo, always open to change upon further information.

It had to be because her phone last pinged near or on his land. They emphasized a few times it was her digital footprint that brought them there, and they ended up finding the body right near where they were focused so they were right.

Because of his past serious charges and the fact that his house was right there I think it was reasonable to suspect him.

 

[mtnlites]

Should also add: fake GFMs are set up ALL the time by con artists. The Watts' family burial fund had only one legit one but there were several fake ones. Just because someone set up a doesn't mean that money is going to him. As far as the people donating...ew.

 

[distracted]

I thought it said it was for a billboard

That one is still up. It's raised about $100. It's really crazy what people will donate to.

 

[Jaclin]

My understanding is incised is like an incision - long and shallow (think surgical incision). Compared to a stab that is normally deep but narrow.

incised would make me think slit throat, and I'm not certain there would be enough tissue to come up with that analysis, but multiple sharp edged trauma makes me think stabbed repeatedly with some sharp object.

 

[Warwick7]

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as "sharp force injuries." Sharp force injuries are characterized by a relatively well-defined traumatic separation of tissues, occurring when a sharp-edged or pointed object comes into contact with the skin and underlying tissues. Three specific subtypes of sharp force injuries exist, as follows: stab wounds, incised wounds, and chop wounds.

O wonder which ones happened to her. Or...it could be different kinds on her.

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries: Overview, Definitions, Scene Findings

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Thanks for answering my question!

I'm personally having a hard time imagining him lifting Mollie so many times- Into the supposed trunk. Out of the trunk and into the field. He's a little guy muscle wise. I'm not buying into much of his story and I suspect LE and the FBI isn't either. A month passed. He had time to get ducks in a row. It's not as cut and dry as his "story."

I see your point, but I personally don't think it would be hard for him, even with how tall (short) he was, to knock her out a few feet from behind where his car was nearby, drag her along (partially on foot?), push her into the trunk of his car, drive to the corn field nearby, pull her out of the trunk and drag her "20 meters" from the road where he parked to where he killed her and left her covered up with corn leaves.

He could be stronger and more muscular than he looks, and fit from his years of work on farms, regardless of his height (mugshot had a ruler behind him that looked like he was about 5'4" - 5'6" depending on how his hair cut so it's sticking straight up so many inches is interpreted).

He didn't look physically weak in the mugshot or in person in the video of the court hearing to me. He looked wiry and strong, even though below average for an american male in stature (approx. 5'9"). JMO

Plenty of 'shorter in stature men' like CR can be much stronger than 'average stature women' (5'5" and under) who could overpower, drag, lift, shove and beat/stab and worse someone of smaller weight and stature. JMO of course

 

[Al Hoffman]

But I discovered it doesn't like mother natures 115 temps.

All things in moderation!

 

[MsBetsy]

He is much more likely to act on his own than to be part of a trafficking ring. My mom sits on the human rights' commision in our state and she works with the trafficking force. Despite the social media scares, trafficking is REALLY rare. The majority of women who are trafficked are sold into indentured servitude, not prostitution. Those who are sold into sexual slavery tend to the trafficker's own family members. It is extremely rare for women to be kidnapped and trafficked. Traffickers want women who won't be missed-runaways, prostitutes, etc. Not popular middle class women from tiny towns with lots of media coverage.

While there IS trafficking from Mexico, it's still a very small amount. Ironically, traffickers tend to be legal immigrants with clean records- they don't want to stand out.

CR would have been a teenager in Mexuco. While I wouldn't be surprised to find SA in his history, I strongly suspect that he is just your average murdering sociopath.

Sources: I have attended many meetings and conferences on human trafficking with my mom. As a crises intervention specialist, I also had to undergo state training.

Agree. "Average murdering sociopath." Well put.

 

[Jaclin]

Even if enough money was raised I am sure there is some legality they will find to keep him there. I am also surprised gofundme hasn't shut the thing down yet. It was over $100,000 raised last I saw it.

maybe he is involved in drugs and his fellow drug pushers want to shut him down themselves before he gives them up?

 

[MyBelle]

It had to be because her phone last pinged near or on his land. They emphasized a few times it was her digital footprint that brought them there, and they ended up finding the body right near where they were focused so they were right.

Because of his past serious charges and the fact that his house was right there I think it was reasonable to suspect him.

I think her phone &/or Fitbit were tossed there soon after she was abducted. CR seems very familiar with that area.

 

[Copper]

maybe he is involved in drugs and his fellow drug pushers want to shut him down themselves before he gives them up?

Are there any pictures of CR's body on FB. Tattoos might be the easiest way to find out if he's affiliated with a gang.

 

[MassGuy]

maybe he is involved in drugs and his fellow drug pushers want to shut him down themselves before he gives them up?

There’s no evidence of drug use or dealing. If he were a drug dealer, he must be a terrible one, on account that he worked a menial job (likely making little more than minimum wage), at a dairy farm.

 

[MsBetsy]

I see your point, but I personally don't think it would be hard for him, even with how tall (short) he was, to knock her out a few feet from behind where his car was nearby, drag her along (partially on foot?), push her into the trunk of his car, drive to the corn field nearby, pull her out of the trunk and drag her "20 meters" from the road where he parked to where he killed her and left her covered up with corn leaves. He could have been very strong and muscular and fit from his years of work on the farm, regardless of his height. He didn't look physically weak in the mugshot or in person in the video of the court hearing to me. He looked wiry and tough, even though below average for an american male in stature. JMO

Agree. It's the "power behind the punch."

 

[agilbe]

I'm not a farmer, but 4:30 comes quick. Have a good night.

 

[MsBetsy]

There’s no evidence of drug use or dealing. If he were a drug dealer, he must be a terrible one, on account that he worked a menial job (likely making little more than minimum wage), at a dairy farm.

Yeah, great cover.

 

[whiskers]

As far as the physical aspect of carrying her, and dragging her, it is definitely doable, and wouldn’t be that difficult for someone (small) like him. He was likely in shape from the physical nature of his job, and on top of that would have felt a tremendous rush during the crime. We all know the stories about the power of adrenaline. If your issue is the physical aspect of this, it’s likely not relevant IMO.

It's not the physical aspect, it's the work. He doesn't seem like someone who puts a lot of effort into his work. I get the rush and all of that. But for now my brain isn't adding up his supposed steps. And if he put her there that exact night, I'd also be curious if he went back to check. Just the brief things I've viewed about him, he seems lazy.

 

[Al Hoffman]

If I understood the courts ruling correctly it was stated that bail is set but does not mean it will be granted and will be reviewed at that time. I may be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

Edited for spelling error

MOO - IF he makes bail, he likely would remain at his current detention facility, based on the ICE detainer, awaiting trial. The Feds don't necessarily have to take physical custody.

 

[Jaclin]

She had no time. It's possible that he grabbed the phone from her, or knocked her out, then turned off the phone. I wonder if he did transport her in the trunk to another location, if he left the phone turned on in the car and dragged her 20 yards, would the fit bit still transcribe that far away? Then when he returns to the car he thinks of turning it off?

I don't think he thought about the phone until she was in the cornfield. Might have even thought it was just an ipod. That's why LE kept searching by WC's farm. They knew he took her to that general area, and I think they only knew that because the phone was still on after he abducted her and it pinged.