Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #38

[runfar262]

Led by her brother, a team — and a town — tries to return to normal in aftermath of Mollie Tibbetts death

 

[Jealoushe]

I wonder if he has any wounds. When someone is stabbed repeatedly, the killer usually has cuts also because blood makes things extremely slippery.

Not to be graphic, but just curious if anyone noticed anything on his hands/face when he was at the courthouse.

 

[Sarah J. Scott]

The pig farmer didn't fit to me either. But then my guess was way off. I was really thinking it was someone who had family in Brooklyn, but didn't live there and was in his 30's.

You’re post reminded me of the FBI profiler, Mary Ellen O'Toole. Her “guess” was was way off. Especially for an FBI profiler.

 

[whiskers]

Could he be that brazen that he wouldn't be concerned about his appearance? With that kind of attack, he would have had to have cleaned up first.

He seems like he def. cares about his appearance. I'm stumped where he cleaned up. But I wouldn't be surprised if he later went out again. Just thought of this, but maybe he went back home and used an outdoor hose.

 

[MsBetsy]

I forget...where did he say he saw her?

That's what I'm trying to figure out, I'm not good with maps, and I can't remember the address but I thought it was going to the direction of her moms house and that's what confirmed people's suspicions that she was jogging to her moms.

 

[Schmitz5100]

7:45 to 8:28 is merely the incident time range listed on the affidavit. It doesn't necessarily include the time range in which Mollie passed.

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

Thanks!

 

[Crystal Regan]

Slightly off topic, but here I go. When I was single and eating at Applebee’s with a girlfriend one night I got hit by a piece of ice. Not a piece of pellet ice but a full on cube. I turn around and a real greasy dude is smiling at me and comes over and tells me that he sent me that ice so I could cool down. He really thought that would work and no I didn’t marry him (I saved that for a man I met on match.com - lol but true)

My point is this: He thought that was normal, that it was acceptable behavior. He is mirroring behavior he witnessed from the beginning at home and in culture. I think CR is like that. Even to the point that he thought the men in the interrogation room would understand his plight of being rejected.

It is in the upbringing, folks.

 

[Seattle1]

Agreed. The ripple effect of this crime is long reaching. I feel sad for them both but more so his little daughter. She is the one who will grow up without a father and also knowing what he did. That is an enormous burden to place on an innocent little child. His gf is certainly not guilty of his crime but for her there is still time ahead to get her life back on track. In the future she can possibly meet and marry a good man and live a happy life which hopefully can provide her daughter with the stability of having a dad in her life. Still even in the best of circumstances with stepparents that care children still have feelings for their biological parent. Hopefully given her young age she will not remember much of any of this. I hope her mom protects her from this fallout. I think her decision to take her to court was a mistake that she will not soon forget. Lesson learned hopefully. I don't envy the cross she is going to have to bear but I do know if it were me one of the first things I would do is move my daughter away and start somewhere new. This heavy cloud over their heads is not going away any time soon and it's unfair to expect her child to have to deal with the gossip and whispering as well as judgement of her playmates as they grow together.

I don't agree with the negative consensus here against the Mum taking her child to court, or that she's somehow injured her child for doing so. In fact, I think it's quite the opposite: Mum and child are said to live outside of Brooklyn, and just suppose the custody arrangement was for the child to see her Father weekly, or on certain day of the week. And suddenly, for reason beyond Mum's control, Dad is arrested and held on $1mil and now $5mil bond for capital murder. Given the choice to take the child to an open, public court where she could see her Dad --alive and in the flesh, (on what may have been the day she normally sees him), would at the very least give Mum the opportunity to explain to the child that Daddy didn't forget you, he didn't want to miss your visiting day, etc., and also explain that she won't be able see him anymore for a very long time, or until the Judge says it's OK. Under these circumstances, I don't know what other time this child would be able to see her Dad, and when? I don't believe a toddler allowed on the approved visitors list to county jail for inmate accused of capital murder. Were they to wait a year or more for his trial date, when he may or may not be wearing a shirt and tie? Or wait even longer until he's arrived in prison? The Mum herself explained her appearance saying that she didn't know when she or her child would ever see CR again, and that right now she's doing what she deems best for her child, (and not what's best for CR). I don't believe that seeing CR at his recent hearing could ever be more damaging to her psyche than an abrupt cease. Children can be rational, where given an explanation with the visual of seeing her Dad with "good Policemen" taking care of him and protecting him would be far better for her than an abrupt end or delayed visitation as been suggested here. Mum and child are victims too. MOO

 

[otto]

JMO
Catching up and no legal experience but found this Arrest Warrant so interesting because it is a very specific timeframe and thinking LE must know her exact attack time and exact death time because of the Fitbit giving heartrate beats. We know Mollie jogged with her cell phone in an armband and she likely had her Fitbit on.

It would be obvious from the Fitbit info the pulse rate when her pulse would suddenly go through the roof. Then when her heartbeat stopped altogether that is one way LE could know the exact time of death.

This is the first case where I have seen such a specific timeframe on the charges down to the minute.
The Fitbit info is the only way I can figure how LE knew this exact timeframe of the beginning of the attack and her ultimate death down to the minute.

On July 18, the attack began at 7:45 p.m. and the time of death was 8:28 p.m.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

She went jogging at 7:30. It's also possible that 7:45 is the time that the car was circling the block. Mollie's run was 45 minutes and she was close to her mom's house when she was abducted. It's possible that he abducted her at Boundary and Middle St. shortly after 8PM, and that at 8:28PM something significant happened at 1900 385 Ave.

 

[bluedivergirl]

I wonder if he has any wounds. When someone is stabbed repeatedly, the killer usually has cuts also because blood makes things extremely slippery.

Not to be graphic, but just curious if anyone noticed anything on his hands/face when he was at the courthouse.

Yes. We saw that with Jodie Arias.

He's had time to heal, but there could be scars on his hands.

 

[Hatfield]

Can anyone figure out if the last witness who thought he saw her jogging at 8:00 pm may have actually seen her earlier, like around 7:30? Would it make sense in relation to where she ended up 15 minutes later? It not a big deal but I was just wondering if he really did see her that night or got it confused with another night. It doesnt make sense that he could have seen her when he said he did because that would have been in the middle of the assault. So my question is, if he was off by that much, could he have seen her just before the 7:45 timeframe going by where they think she was at that time? I have no idea if anyone will understand my question, but if so, what do you think? Impossible?

Im not sure if this is the same witness you are referring to because there were several that allegedly talked about seeing her jogging. The one I saw was on this LE website and the post has been removed from the site. When it was there he talked in general terms and I think he said "around" a certain time. So he could have been off by a little bit and still be an accurate witness.

Poweshiek County Sheriff's Office

 

[Al Hoffman]

7:45 to 8:28 is merely the incident time range listed on the affidavit. It doesn't necessarily include the time range in which Mollie passed.

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

So why would LE put this time range on an application for a Homicide arrest warrant application affidavit, if the crime in question occurred at a later time? Seems like a mistake that could get the arrest warrant thrown out and CR released. I don't think LE would have made that elementary a mistake in this case.

It appears that MT was dead by 8:28. The precise nature of the time makes me think that this was based on the FitBit data, and that the FitBit was found with the body, indicating that the recorded heart rate did not stop because the FitBit had been removed. Yes, I know that the FitBit was not listed in the arrest warrant affidavit, but could be inclusive with 'clothes found with the body'.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Please let's not start beating Dr. S's maybe dead cat over the red shirt again! MT would not have had a red shirt with her on the run when and where she was taken. You give CR too much credit. He is NOT a SK master mind. He did not/would not have gone back to within a couple of miles of his dump site to plant a piece of evidence that could have caused LE to intensify their search.

CR took MT in a moment of opportunity and with a degree of premedation (maybe months, weeks, days, hours, or minutes) killed her, concealed her body and then drove away. He likely spent the last month ignoring the "problem" and looking over his shoulder. He did change his behavior, as at least one store clerk said that he had stopped coming in the last two weeks before his arrest. LIKELY, he was laying low, as when he came into town there was a poster with MT's picture everywhere he turned. Why didn't he run when he had the chance? He had every reason to expect that the body would not be found till fall, and that he had not been seen. Likely, he was in denial about getting caught. If it was his habit to "block out" moments of intense anger, including assault and murder, he might well have blocked out the consequences of his actions, or the fact that he might be caught. The C in CR should stand for 'Cleopatra' as he is the king of denial, not the master of misdirection!

Why didn't he run when he had the chance? Maybe he didn’t want to raise red flags if he suddenly took off. With the news of MT’s disappearance all over I would think his family, friends and co-workers would become suspicious.

 

[TL4S]

That's what I'm trying to figure out, I'm not good with maps, and I can't remember the address but I thought it was going to the direction of her moms house and that's what confirmed people's suspicions that she was jogging to her moms.

I found it was on E Pershing. My guess is he could have seen her on her way to Boundary St. But yes, the time was maybe off. In his interview, he said, "around 8 o'clock." He didn't think anything of it at the time, so I'm sure his memory of the time wasn't exact. He probably really was the last person (not monster) to see her alive.

 

[otto]

Could someone please link the article they are referring to these times given now about Mollie? I think I saw 7:45- 8:25? I can’t find what’s being referred to. Thanks!

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

 

[TL4S]

So why would LE put this time range on an application for a Homicide arrest warrant application affidavit, if the crime in question occurred at a later time? Seems like a mistake that could get the arrest warrant thrown out and CR released. I don't think LE would have made that elementary a mistake in this case.

It appears that MT was dead by 8:28. The precise nature of the time makes me think that this was based on the FitBit data, and that the FitBit was found with the body, indicating that the recorded heart rate did not stop because the FitBit had been removed. Yes, I know that the FitBit was not listed in the arrest warrant affidavit, but could be inclusive with 'clothes found with the body'.

Very good point about the homicide arrest warrant!

 

[Crystal Regan]

I wonder if he has any wounds. When someone is stabbed repeatedly, the killer usually has cuts also because blood makes things extremely slippery.

Not to be graphic, but just curious if anyone noticed anything on his hands/face when he was at the courthouse.

If he did they probably have healed in the month tahat passed. I think he incapacitated her from the beginning.

 

[DizzyB]

Does anyone have the times of when the eyewitnesses said they saw Mollie that evening on her jog? Trying to mesh that timeline in.

 

[MistyWaters]

7:45 to 8:28 is merely the incident time range listed on the affidavit. It doesn't necessarily include the time range in which Mollie passed.

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

The affidavit supports the Arrest Warrant for homicide in the 1st degree. So wouldn’t the incident time range involve the time when the offence was believed to have occurred? Had LE been uncertain, the time needn’t have been so specific.

I don’t know for sure but it makes sense that within the time specified is when an accused committed the crime and for that reason I believe LE has evidence, either through cellphone or Fitbit of the route of the Malibu placing and burying Mollie in the cornfield, assumed to be no longer alive. (Or as determined by blood loss, ie examination of trunk of the car?)

 

[TL4S]

She went jogging at 7:30. It's also possible that 7:45 is the time that the car was circling the block. Mollie's run was 45 minutes and she was close to her mom's house when she was abducted. It's possible that he abducted her at Boundary and Middle St. shortly after 8PM, and that at 8:28PM something significant happened at 1900 385 Ave.

At the PC, didn't LE state the abduction occurred on 385? Of course, 385 does meet up right there at Middle and Boundary.