Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #38

[Hatfield]

So why would LE put this time range on an application for a Homicide arrest warrant application affidavit, if the crime in question occurred at a later time? Seems like a mistake that could get the arrest warrant thrown out and CR released. I don't think LE would have made that elementary a mistake in this case.

It appears that MT was dead by 8:28. The precise nature of the time makes me think that this was based on the FitBit data, and that the FitBit was found with the body, indicating that the recorded heart rate did not stop because the FitBit had been removed. Yes, I know that the FitBit was not listed in the arrest warrant affidavit, but could be inclusive with 'clothes found with the body'.

JMO
I agree and that is my take on it too. The document is a murder charge and the incident is the murder itself. LE is listing the time range of the incident of murder. And I am going to choose to believe them right now.

 

[otto]

So why would LE put this time range on an application for a Homicide arrest warrant application affidavit, if the crime in question occurred at a later time? Seems like a mistake that could get the arrest warrant thrown out and CR released. I don't think LE would have made that elementary a mistake in this case.

It appears that MT was dead by 8:28. The precise nature of the time makes me think that this was based on the FitBit data, and that the FitBit was found with the body, indicating that the recorded heart rate did not stop because the FitBit had been removed. Yes, I know that the FitBit was not listed in the arrest warrant affidavit, but could be inclusive with 'clothes found with the body'.

The warrant has to state an incident time. There's an upper and lower range for the time. The lower range is 7:45, the upper time is 8:28. Something distinct happened at 8:28 and the evidence will be on her Fitbit. We don't know if it was a spike in her heart rate or whether the Fitbit stopped transmitting.

 

[gillglock]

Her aunt, Billie Jo Calderwood, said: “Please remember, Evil comes in EVERY color.”

Reding, Tibbetts’s friend, said that she had seen outrage building online over claims that Rivera is undocumented, but that she hasn’t focused on it.

“For some people, they do view it as him being illegal,” she said. “For me, I just see it any race, any sexuality, any person could have done this. It doesn’t matter if he’s illegal or black or white. A lot of people are saying ‘Build the wall’ and all that, but I don’t believe that’s the problem necessarily. Bad people are just bad people.” [bbm]

Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case

Reding, Mollie's friend, described that she is friends with CR on fb, explaining Brooklyn is a small town where you know everyone. She was also shocked to see him arrested. CR's Dad does not believe his son confessed. I too have not seen or read one report that anybody suspected CR responsible for Mollie missing, and/or her death. If not for CR leading LE to her body, I'd be questioning if LE had the right guy. MOO

Not racial or political. It is a matter of being off the grid and knowing you can get away with things that other folks can not get away with. For example, it would be really hard for me to change my name and move one town away and live a new life. For someone like him it would be very easy. That, and if he is among others like him then he knows they will not get the police involved and risk getting deported. This not racial, it is a subset of our population who are hard to track and vet. IMHOO

 

[Jeng1810]

I admit I never do that...no particular reason.

I don’t add those things either even if it is a local case. Like said, no particular reason but doesn’t strike me as odd that someone wouldn’t.

 

[Jerrod]

So why would LE put this time range on an application for a Homicide arrest warrant application affidavit, if the crime in question occurred at a later time? Seems like a mistake that could get the arrest warrant thrown out and CR released. I don't think LE would have made that elementary a mistake in this case. It appears that MT was dead by 8:28. The precise nature of the time makes me think that this was based on the FitBit data, and that the FitBit was found with the body, indicating that the recorded heart rate did not stop because the FitBit had been removed. Yes, I know that the FitBit was not listed in the arrest warrant affidavit, but could be inclusive with 'clothes found with the body'.

While citing their need to protect the integrity of the investigation, LE has refused to verify the time and location of Mollie's death whenever they've been asked, while knowing full well a reference to that information in the affidavit had been made public.

Moreover, it would stand to reason that Fitbit data would be able to record a final heartbeat with much more precision than a 48-minute time range. Also on the affidavit, the answer to the question "Is date and time of incident known?" is "No."

 

[Hatfield]

The warrant has to state an incident time. There's an upper and lower range for the time. The lower range is 7:45, the upper time is 8:28. Something distinct happened at 8:28 and the evidence will be on her Fitbit. We don't know if it was a spike in her heart rate or whether the Fitbit stopped transmitting.

Or her heart pulse rate stopped and the fitbit showed it was still active so LE could have known the precise time her heart quit beating.

 

[zecats]

It's extremely disturbing to picture the actual timing of what happened to her due to the fact that it can be observed digitally. To imagine her FitBit showing the exact time of her demise...Positive for nailing a suspect, but still, too much for my mind to absorb. The act itself is horrendous. Poor Mollie.

 

[MistyWaters]

While citing their need to protect the integrity of the investigation, LE has refused to verify the time and location of Mollie's death whenever they've been asked, while knowing full well a reference to that information in the affidavit had been made public. Besides, it would stand to reason that Fitbit data would be able to record a final heartbeat with much more precision than a 48-minute time range.

I’m not a Fitbit user so I’m just curious - What happens to heart rate readings when it’s removed from the arm of the wearer?

Aside from the obvious - if the Fitbit was found with the body, then LE would know the data was reliable.

 

[otto]

While citing their need to protect the integrity of the investigation, LE has refused to verify the time and location of Mollie's death whenever they've been asked, while knowing full well a reference to that information in the affidavit had been made public. Besides, it would stand to reason that Fitbit data would be able to record a final heartbeat with much more precision than a 48-minute time range.

The incident isn't just the moment of 8:28PM when something was recorded on her Fitbit. The time range relates to the incident, and includes both a date and a time.

 

[Crystal Regan]

Does anyone have the times of when the eyewitnesses said they saw Mollie that evening on her jog? Trying to mesh that timeline in.

I believe it’s on one of the google maps at the beginning of each thread. You have to click on the pins to see the time, I think.

 

[MsBetsy]

Slightly off topic, but here I go. When I was single and eating at Applebee’s with a girlfriend one night I got hit by a piece of ice. Not a piece of pellet ice but a full on cube. I turn around and a real greasy dude is smiling at me and comes over and tells me that he sent me that ice so I could cool down. He really thought that would work and no I didn’t marry him.

My point is this: He thought that was normal, that it was acceptable behavior. He is mirroring behavior he witnessed from the beginning at home and in culture. I think CR is like that. Even to the point that he thought the men in the interrogation room would understand his plight of being rejected.

It is in the upbringing, folks.

You are right. In some cultures it is considered a compliment if a man whistles at you. I don't know about chucking a piece of ice at your head and making a stupid comment like that. Women are pretty tough and wouldn't hesitate to put the guy in his place. Usually the man will back off. It's kind of like testing the waters. But Rivera didn't. He wasn't doing it to flatter her. He wasn't hoping for a relationship. Everything he did that night was typical behaviour of a predator and that is quite different. So its not that he didnt know better and he was just acting normally according to cultural standards. No one is going to fall for that. Except maybe his lawyer.

 

[Peaches96]

The warrant has to state an incident time. There's an upper and lower range for the time. The lower range is 7:45, the upper time is 8:28. Something distinct happened at 8:28 and the evidence will be on her Fitbit. We don't know if it was a spike in her heart rate or whether the Fitbit stopped transmitting.

This may be a dumb question but if you die, does a FitBit stop working or uploading data?

 

[Followfacts]

At the PC, didn't LE state the abduction occurred on 385? Of course, 385 does meet up right there at Middle and Boundary.

I totally agree with 1900 block on 385. I believe everything happened there in quick succession including loss of her life. Digital data is key here I believe.

 

[otto]

Or her heart pulse rate stopped and the fitbit showed it was still active so LE could have known the precise time her heart quit beating.

In addition to a date and time of incident, there's also a location: 1900 385 Ave.

8:28PM might be the time that her Fitbit stopped transmitting data or that there was a spike in heart beat. We also know that there was a "ping" 10 miles SE of Brooklyn, so something continued to transmit data after 8:28PM.

 

[TL4S]

Thank you to those of you who are explaining the technical and legal side of matters. It is an invaluable lesson for us rookies who have never studied a case before. I, for one, appreciate the help.

 

[MyBelle]

The warrant has to state an incident time. There's an upper and lower range for the time. The lower range is 7:45, the upper time is 8:28. Something distinct happened at 8:28 and the evidence will be on her Fitbit. We don't know if it was a spike in her heart rate or whether the Fitbit stopped transmitting.

The 8:28 also might be the time-stamp on the final security video image. We just don't know everything at this point.

 

[Jeng1810]

If he did they probably have healed in the month tahat passed. I think he incapacitated her from the beginning.

Being that he worked on a farm he likely normally had cuts and scrapes. I work in my yard regularly and because of the thick Florida vegitation I often come back into the house looking like I was at battle. Honestly I could murder someone at the end of the block and walk into the house bloody and scratched and no one here would batt an eye. I’m sure working on a farm is no picnic either.

 

[otto]

The 8:28 also might be the time-stamp on the final security video image. We just don't know everything at this point.

The video was at a house near Boundary and Middle St. The location of the incident is 1.2 miles away at 1900 385 Ave., so 8:28 does not correspond to CCTV.

 

[Karmakazi]

I am really surprised he didn’t skip town when the map with the five points was released. He had to have known that LE was closing in on him.

I originally was thinking that too, Crystal Regan, but after finding out he had a daughter and family in the area, CR fleeing and disappearing would probably have brought LE attention on himself as his ex gf might have reported him missing. And until LE got the security cam footage, he really didn’t have any attention on him. I don’t think he necessarily expected LE to track him down; but when they did he knew the gig was up.

 

[Jim G]

Because she was there. Opportunity. I don’t even think he knew she was staying alone. He saw her and he wanted her.

But there were others out and about.