IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

[MsBetsy]

It most certainly can be.
That is a digital footprint.

I have seen nothing to verify that the 8:28 is associated with 1900 385 Avenue.
Some may assume this to be a fact.

But does it pinpoint EXACT location or can it be off by a hundred yards? Feet? Miles? I thought someone said it depends on the towers. How do they narrow it down?

 

[kpm]

Her BF stated this.....

He said one was a text message sent at 7pm....

Mysterious Snapchat clue in missing jogger case



The we have her texting with her Mom.....

The night that Tibbetts’ disappeared, she was in communication with her mother about dinner, around 7:30 p.m. local time. In response to her mom, she simply texted “Ok.”

Mollie Tibbetts Boyfriend Dalton Jack: 5 Fast Facts to Know | Heavy.com



Now this is a full 24 hours after her family realized she was missing......so her phone was off

“The first night she went missing, I was distraught," Calderwood said. "I knew her phone was dead, but I sent her a text saying, 'I love you. We're looking for you. We will find you no matter what.'"


Mother of missing Iowa college student recounts last text she sent to daughter

 

[otto]

He’s been here for up to 7 years, so it’s more likely that any prior crimes occurred in the US. People can start very young though, especially in parts of Mexico. With the legal system over there, law enforcement may only find US crimes, if they occurred and people are willing to come forward.

I think so too, and Mortvedt stated that there would be a thorough investigation into all his activities between arriving in the USA in 2011 and July 18, 2018. Still, it's unlikely that this was his first criminal act, he did not have a criminal record prior to the murder, so it's highly likely that the reason that he did not flee is that he got away with criminal activity in the past.

 

[TL4S]

How long do you think this kind of event would take?

If CCTV captured MT jogging near Boundary and Middle around 7:45, and also captured the Malibu around the same time, then that is my guess to the 7:45 lower limit on the affidavit. If CR followed MT down 385 almost to the end, where there are plenty of cornfields and few houses, at her running pace, it would be close to 8pm. That's a half-hour or less to attack her, force her somewhere nearby, rape her (if he did), inflict sharp force trauma, check if the coast was clear, carry her to the trunk, toss her in, oops, there's an earbud in the road where he'd attacked her, go pick it up, and drive off down 200 south. If she died then and there then maybe her Fitbit stopped at 8:28. If she didn't die immediately, then maybe her phone was still wherever he'd assaulted her and the Fitbit rode out of range at 8:28pm.

MOO

 

[kpm]

Oh God, I never thought of that. Fifteen minutes later.... I wonder if that's actually the time that witness saw her, too. Strolling along like she hadn't a care in the world...

The two men claimed to have seen her between 7:30-8:30 IIRC

I will look for that too!

 

[MsBetsy]

It can't be. The CCTV is at Boundary and Middle Str. The 8:28 location is at 1900 385 Ave.

The 8:28 location is from the phone and fit bit data, correct? Was that ever verified?

 

[Sanz]

In the affidavit it says he stated she grabbed her phone.
http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

Moo
Yes the statement about her grabbing the phone has made me often wonder if Mollie was actually in the process of a 911 call. And he tried to grab the phone from her, and possibly she fell hitting her head or he hit her in the head.
Either way he was ruined. He was illegal, had a child, a wife, a job, a home and living in the US with no problems (yet). The stab wounds could have been from his intense anger on what he had done.

 

[SharonNeedles]

He certainly wasn't looking to ask Mollie for a date. He didn't need to circle Boundary and Middle Str. prior to Mollie arriving at that location to ask her on a date. Maybe that makes sense to a murderer, but it sure doesn't make sense in the context of societal norms.

Why wouldn't he have a plan for where to hide her body? He is charged with first degree murder, which suggests that he had a plan. What we already know about that plan is that he had previously seen her jogging, he knew her route, he circled at an area on her route waiting for her, he abducted and murdered her, and he very carefully hid the body.

You're right about his home location - I should update that location! Thank you.

I have to disagree on a couple points here. The charge of first degree murder does not indicate he had a plan. Under Iowa Law at least, a murder while participating in a forcible felony is First Degree, no premeditation required.

It would also be a stretch to say he “knows her route” as Mollie didn’t even have an established route. But then again, in a town as small as Brooklyn all you would really need to know is what quadrant she runs in and you’d inevitably cross her route.

I don’t buy for a minute that this guy somehow masterminded anything. It was ridiculously brazen and not thought out in the least bit.

 

[otto]

It most certainly can be.
That is a digital footprint.

I have seen nothing to verify that the 8:28 is associated with 1900 385 Avenue.
Some may assume this to be a fact.

The location of the incident on the arrest warrant coincides with the range of times on the warrant. The location is 1900 385 Ave.

 

[Leney]

But does it pinpoint EXACT location or can it be off by a hundred yards? Feet? Miles? I thought someone said it depends on the towers. How do they narrow it down?

It's a surveillance video. All have time stamps.
Perhaps you are thinking of cell phone triangulation ?

 

[kpm]

Most predators like Rivera start with peeping, or inappropriate sexual behavior, that escalates to sexual assault, and eventually it escalates to daylight abductions of a jogger, violent murder, and hiding the body.

When he claims that his anger causes him to have a memory lapse and that this has happened in the past, could that relate to a criminal history in Mexico?

That’s my thought, unless the guy blocks out every time he gets mad, that would be a lot of blocking out

I think he gave himself away stating that’s what happens to him, meaning he’s been at that same level of madness before to know that to be his norm.

 

[MsBetsy]

The two men claimed to have seen her between 7:30-8:30 IIRC

I will look for that too!

The second witness was the one who said she had her phone and was strolling along, the third said he saw her jog by (around 8:00, I believe was the ultimate time) although there were 3 different times. So yeah, what time did the second guy say he saw her? I think it was 7: 30, which makes sense. That last witness sighting doesn't.

 

[The Farm]

There's nothing significant about WC except that the cell phone pinged in the area and the media went nuts when they discovered that on one of the farms that were searched, one person had a criminal record.

Not only that but it was a pig farm and many a criminal has been known to throw the bodies in the pig troughs. Crazy but that is what I was thinking at first.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I see you are still enjoying your "refreshments!" I could go for a nice cold drink myself. It has been unseasonly hot where I am. I'm not surprised about the news, although I haven't been paying much attention. Good thing. If I have learned anything on this site is how inaccurately the news is reported! I have pretty much settled on what I believe happened as well. It is kind of based on Oscars razor, or Oshkosh, or whatever it is. Based on all the facts we have, the simplest scenario. Tried to analyze the importance of the earbud, why the phone wasn't turned off, etc. for too long. He stalked her, chased her down, and brutally murdered her in a fit of rage. That much we know. We may never know the details. I would be surprised if SA did not play a role, although the kill alone may have satisfied his needs. Not sure if this will go to trial, I hope not. I'm assuming life without parole would be the most we can hope for.

I personally suggest a Planter's Punch to cool down with if before 10:00 Hours local time, but then you should stick with Rum for the rest of the day!

When you talk about the weather that way, it makes me think of a Tennessee Williams' (who is an alum of the University of Iowa by the way) play...perhaps you could partake of your refreshment (or posting) sitting on the veranda while fanning yourself...but I digress.

Good idea to keep away from the news, as it will only depress you!

My late significant other went through a number of interesting scrapes in her life, some of which were documented in the MSM (once, she was on her way home to New Orleans from the Gulf Coast when the car carrying Jane Mansfield roared past them in the fog, they passed the accident scene soon after...) and she warned me to NEVER trust what you read in the papers as it is usually wrong, I've sinced learned (the hard way) that she was right. Something we in WS should take to heart...

Someone should tell Occam to stop slinging that damned razor around, as he might eventually cut somebody. Stuff happens, especially when one is young, dumb and full of adreneralin, and maybe seminal fluid, when fleeing from the scene of a serious crime. PTSD and worse comes from this, for everyone concerned. (Been there, done that, had the burnt gunpowder flake on my back to remind me...never live with sociopaths!)

IMHOO, y'all are looking for rational answers to the irrational actions of an amateur maybe sociopath who comes comes from far outside of your collective cultural milieu; actions taken in the wake of a high stress criminal act. This is a dark rabbit hole to go down.....(though while Jack Russels like to do this, everybody (who has ever lived with one) KNOWS that they are nuts to start with!)

CBR did what seemed like the best idea to him at the time (not always a good idea) and seriously lucked out for a while...fortune favors the bold (sometimes). Sometimes, when you hear hoofbeats, there is a #$%& zebra coming at you (many malpractice torts result from this application of that same tired old razor).

While I agree with a number of your conclusions, please just don't go too far down the rabbit hole, or you may wind up sitting in the dark, confused, with a Jack Russel for company (MSM tells me that it recently took a Texas fire company 8 hours to dig a Jack Russel out from under a slab house, after it went there after a rabbit...no word about the rabbit...), please don't go there!

CBR will likely go to trial (I doubt a plea...but) and he will go to prison for the rest of his natural life...however long that may be. If it gives you comfort, consider what happened to Jeffery Dahmer (hey, Stuff happens in the weight room). Sometimes, justice is swift and Sure!

 

[Leney]

The location of the incident on the arrest warrant coincides with the range of times on the warrant. The location is 1900 385 Ave.

No.
That is an assumption some have made.
There is a reason they checked NO for "is the time and date known" aspect.

 

[TL4S]

It most certainly can be.
That is a digital footprint.

I have seen nothing to verify that the 8:28 is associated with 1900 385 Avenue.
Some may assume this to be a fact.

The affidavit lists the location of the event as the 1900 block of 385 Avenue. While it also says the date/location is not known, IMO the general 1900 block of 385 ave appears to be where LE thinks the event in question (homicide) happened, between 7:45-8:28pm.

 

[otto]

I have to disagree on a couple points here. The charge of first degree murder does not indicate he had a plan. Under Iowa Law at least, a murder while participating in a forcible felony is First Degree, no premeditation required.

It would also be a stretch to say he “knows her route” as Mollie didn’t even have an established route. But then again, in a town as small as Brooklyn all you would really need to know is what quadrant she runs in and you’d inevitably cross her route.

I don’t buy for a minute that this guy somehow masterminded anything. It was ridiculously brazen and not thought out in the least bit.

He had to know her route if he was circling at Boundary and Middle Str before she was seen jogging at that location.

Numerous times, it was reported that she had three running routes. It's very likely that all three of those routes involved Boundary and Middle Str. if she was jogging to her mother's house.

 

[JenniD]

Just a random thought. Could CR have mistaken the Fitbit for an Apple Watch. When I compared the 2 side by side they look a lot alike. Not sure if thinking it was an Apple Watch might have made a difference in what he might do to remove it or disable it

 

[kpm]

I have to disagree on a couple points here. The charge of first degree murder does not indicate he had a plan. Under Iowa Law at least, a murder while participating in a forcible felony is First Degree, no premeditation required.

It would also be a stretch to say he “knows her route” as Mollie didn’t even have an established route. But then again, in a town as small as Brooklyn all you would really need to know is what quadrant she runs in and you’d inevitably cross her route.

I don’t buy for a minute that this guy somehow masterminded anything. It was ridiculously brazen and not thought out in the least bit.

He was charged with 707,2 1 a

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

707.2 1 b would be forceful felony, he hasn’t been charged with that......yet


https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/707.2.pdf

 

[Leney]

The affidavit lists the location of the event as the 1900 block of 385 Avenue. While it also says the date/location is not known, IMO the general 1900 block of 385 ave appears to be where LE thinks the event in question (homicide) happened, between 7:45-8:28pm.

Or it simply could be based on the information provided by CBR.
I doubt the 8:28 timestamp is, as that could be from video or cell phone ping, but that is only my opinion.
I have to state it that way as LE as well checked No to the whether or not they knew the time and location of incident.