IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Anthony D]

Firstly we have to assume CR would’ve been capable of attracting a mutually healthy relationship if he had the opportunity. That’s a mistaken assumption - something about his might’ve just been “off” (no doubt considering he admitted his block outs of memory when he gets very upset). A social setting protects females from creeps. But Mollie wasn’t afforded that protection because of the location he chose to approach her.

Regardless of what his motivation was - preplanned violent attack or deluded infatuated hopefulness and upon rebuke he went nuts, both theories point in the same direction.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence in the majority of cases involving young men who inflict violence, for various reasons it seems they’re unsuccessful in developing healthy relationships with others.

Do we know the circumstances of how his relationship with the mother of his child ended? Was there reports he was violent there etc?

 

[kpm]

They would of had a translator at hand to translate them for him; and taped the translation.

Yes, they did have one, I can’t find the article but there was one there the whole time

 

[kpm]

Do we know the circumstances of how his relationship with the mother of his child ended? Was there reports he was violent there etc?

According to articles from IM aunt, he was a happy go lucky jokester


FOX News reports that the aunt of Iris Monarrez, 24-year-old Cristhian Rivera’s former girlfriend, stated that she she never saw him act violently and is shocked at the news that he’s the main suspect in the murder of 20-year-old Mollie Tibbetts, of Brooklyn, Iowa, who disappeared on July 18.

“He was a good person. He was a jokester,” the woman said in Spanish. “For us, he was a good and normal person. Not aggressive or violent, no. He was normal just like us.”

The aunt, who withheld her name, stated that she would often talk about Mollie’s disappearance at family gatherings, where others, including Rivera, would discuss it as well. She claimed Rivera never showed any signs that he could have been involved. The woman said Rivera was the ex-boyfriend of her niece, Iris, and the father of Iris’ young daughter. The couple reportedly broke up around a year and a half ago.


Mollie Tibbetts: Aunt of alleged killer’s former girlfriend hopes DNA will ‘clear his name’

 

[Considering]

I certainly won’t blame Mollie, but I do question one decision that may have been a critical mistake: why on earth did she head east down that street into a more isolated area? She was not known to run east on 385th ave heading out of town, so why would she go that direction when she knows she’s having issues with this guy. That doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.

I don't think she was. In the affidavit LE states that Mollie was seen running in the area of Boundary and Middle Streets. I think that's the area where CR put her in the Malibu. We know something happened in the 1900 block of 385th Avenue but I don't believe Mollie went jogging there.

 

[geevee]

I certainly won’t blame Mollie, but I do question one decision that may have been a critical mistake: why on earth did she head east down that street into a more isolated area? She was not known to run east on 385th ave heading out of town, so why would she go that direction when she knows she’s having issues with this guy. That doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.

I tend to think she didn't run away from him in that direction, but her phone may have pinged in the 1900 block, after he incapacitated her and placed her in the trunk (or turned it off), maybe it's where he turned around to head south to find a place to assault, kill and leave her body.

I also don't think the entire episode began at 7:45 and ended at 8:28 p.m., those are just the lower and upper ranges, possibly based on phone pings or video of his car or her jogging (ex. she (or he) is first seen on a video at 7:45, her phone last pings in the 1900 block at 8:28 p.m.).

I really wish the preliminary hearing had happened today, we'd likely have some of these answers, and more.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I don't think we were ever told exactly what 3 usual running routes Mollie used? I may not have seen it.

It appears running east of town on 385th was a regular route for Mollie.

Run to honor Mollie Tibbetts organized in Brooklyn

"Scheduled for 9 a.m. Sept. 30, the run will start at the Brooklyn, Guernsey and Malcom High School and head out to 385th Street — also known as “the blacktop” — the same road from which Tibbetts was abducted.

“Obviously there is significance in that route because that was one of Mollie’s favorite routes and it was where the incident happened,” Flathers said. "

 

[zecats]

Maybe he blocked her from going the other way?

In that case, couldn’t she have just turned around and headed back where she came from? If I noticed someone even sort of stalking me, I would look for a less isolated (and opposite) direction to head for, even a driveway of a residence.

 

[rebel123]

Just a thought; I wonder if she got as far a dialing a

I tend to think she didn't run away from him in that direction, but her phone may have pinged in the 1900 block, after he incapacitated her and placed her in the trunk (or turned it off), maybe it's where he turned around to head south to find a place to assault, kill and leave her body.

I also don't think the entire episode began at 7:45 and ended at 8:28 p.m., those are just the lower and upper ranges, possibly based on phone pings or video of his car or her jogging (ex. she (or he) is first seen on a video at 7:45, her phone last pings in the 1900 block at 8:28 p.m.).

I really wish the preliminary hearing had happened today, we'd likely have some of these answers, and more.

It's clearly part of the defense strategy; plus they wouldn't of had enough time to prepare for the case.

 

[zecats]

I certainly won’t blame Mollie, but I do question one decision that may have been a critical mistake: why on earth did she head east down that street into a more isolated area? She was not known to run east on 385th ave heading out of town, so why would she go that direction when she knows she’s having issues with this guy. That doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.

I asked that same question many threads ago. Only option I can come up with is she never noticed him.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I don't think she was. In the affidavit LE states that Mollie was seen running in the area of Boundary and Middle Streets. I think that's the area where CR put her in the Malibu. We know something happened in the 1900 block of 385th Avenue but I don't believe Mollie went jogging there.

That’s all the same intersection. Boundry runs north/south, Middle Street turns left into town, 385th veers off to the right out of town. From here Mom’s house is just a few blocks ahead off to the left a bit.

 

[SharonNeedles]

It appears running east of town on 385th was a regular route for Mollie.

Run to honor Mollie Tibbetts organized in Brooklyn

"Scheduled for 9 a.m. Sept. 30, the run will start at the Brooklyn, Guernsey and Malcom High School and head out to 385th Street — also known as “the blacktop” — the same road from which Tibbetts was abducted.

“Obviously there is significance in that route because that was one of Mollie’s favorite routes and it was where the incident happened,” Flathers said. "

Yes, from the high school to 385th Ave (not street), north street east to Boundry, then south to 385th ave. That’s all in town. I’ve not seen anywhere that she was known to continue East on 385th heading out of town, that would a strange route to choose with dusk approaching.

 

[Jeng1810]

I sure hope we have laid the “cruising for girls” theories to rest once and for all! That was a high school thing for us back in the 80’s. I have two kids, different generations and neither of them have ever even heard of it. I hope we can chalk that one up to us all now being OLD!!!!

 

[TL4S]

Yes, from the high school to 385th Ave (not street), north street east to Boundry, then south to 385th ave. That’s all in town. I’ve not seen anywhere that she was known to continue East on 385th heading out of town, that would a strange route to choose with dusk approaching.

I don't know MT's known running routes, but running to the end of 385th ave. makes sense to me for her normal 45 minute run. If she left around 7:30 or a little later, and her pace was still at least an 8 minute mile as I've seen noted, that would put her near the end of 385th around 8pm and home before 8:25 (or sooner if going to Mom's). Sunset was at 9:02pm that night. JMO

 

[Ragnarok]

SharonNeedles posted in last thread that he could not understand why Mollie would run to a desolate area. Words to that effect. IMO that road was part of Mollie's usual run and again Blitz attack. She had no idea what was to come. There was no conversation etc. etc.

I think MT

That would be very interesting! Your helpfulness is giving the rest of us here actual and true views is greatly appreciated.

My only though is Mollie was forced to head east out of town because CR parked his car close to the intersection. As he began running after her, she chose the opposite direction out of town to intentionally lengthen the distance between him and his parked vehicle, hoping she could out run him and he might give up the chase and turn back.

That he admitted to running along side her is really quite horrifying to imagine. If she already was in great fear of him, it’d be near impossible to maintain a constant pace plus make a cellphone call to police at the same time.

Agreed. Have read that a person needs to do whatever is necessary to avoid forced entry into a vehicle. Your chances of a positive ending decreases significantly once inside.

Other than CBR leading LE to MT's body and the camera showing the Malibu doing laps; I'm not confident with anything he says.

 

[Ragnarok]

Do we know the circumstances of how his relationship with the mother of his child ended? Was there reports he was violent there etc?

Have wondered about that also.

 

[Jealoushe]

You know what type of people cruise for sex? And then end killing someone?

Serial killers..

 

[kpm]

You know what type of people cruise for sex? And then end killing someone?

Serial killers..

I might add serial rapist to that too

 

[Stormy21]

They would of had a translator at hand to translate them for him; and taped the translation.

Not sure about that. A signature works too.

We do not know his level of English understanding. Evidence from texts he knows quite a bit. But it would be reasonable after interrogation started to get Miranda in two languages. And signed. These are not amateurs. You have state and federal officials. But i don't think we know their procedure.

Not even sure if the authorities has to interrogate him for some of the information. He could have volunteered all the information, which in case they would not have to read him his rights -- which are read after an official interrogation starts. Custodial interrogation. And of course law enforcement can record and act on information even if it was obtained without Miranda in interrogation. It just isn't admissible in court.

If a suspect runs up and spills information, that's not a custodial interrogation. Only if the subject is detained does he have the right to be silent etc.

Again, this suspect has not been found guilty. He has not been in a trial. So I don't see why he is condemned until he is judged by his peers. That is a basic Constitutional right.

 

[kpm]

This is a dear friend of mine who survived a terrible attack by a serial rapist, she is permanently scarred on her face from this rapist/killer

Why she wasn’t raped or killed is a miracle, she was walking home and he approached her asking to use her phone and she allowed him to, then he attacked her.


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[Stormy21]

Cruising.

Different era. And no one'cruised for sex'. Unless you want to sex up a '57 Chevy.

There was no Internet. Drinking age was 21 (it went down later). So people got into their cars and drove up and down simply to see other people and to wave or to park and talk. Ever see 'American Graffiti'? that was cruising. Showing off cars, listening to the radio and seeing all the friends. People took their dogs cruising, which is a little over the top.

Frankly I don't see why people want to meet in bars. You seriously want to meet a partner in a bar? Try work, activities, school, church, Peace Corps, safe online.

At least cruising didn't involve alcohol (at least not us). Hard to find better things to do than listen to the Beatles, Stones, Who, Grateful Dead, Beach Boys, etc etc. Worst trouble you could get into was squealing your tires.