IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

[MsBetsy]

“At least cruising didn't involve alcohol (at least not us).”

Oh my lord, it sure did for us...

Yeah, almost always as I remember. Easier to work up the courage to yell to people out the window, I would think.

 

[TL4S]

"His memory picks up again at an intersection where he noticed a headphone earpiece in his lap and realized he had put Tibbetts in his trunk, where he found her with blood on her head, it said. He then dragged her into a secluded place in a cornfield, where he left her face up and covered her with corn stalks."

Man charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts is an undocumented immigrant, authorities say

IF she was deceased when placed in the corn field, could the multiple sharp force injuries be on her head? I was picturing them on her torso. Now I'm not so sure.

Lesson 3: A Perfect Murder? - Forensic Anthropology

Scroll down to Skeletal Trauma- sharp force trauma.

I pictured the same thing (torso), and the head wound was something different and non-fatal from the initial attack. I originally thought he killed her at the cornfield, but if you go by the affidavit, it kind of sounds like he put her body there, as if she was already dead. In either case, I agree with you, maybe at least one sharp injury was to her head.

 

[TL4S]

I think CBR was willing to take that chance. I think it happened very fast.

He very well could have!

 

[Bravo]

I think CBR was willing to take that chance. I think it happened very fast.

I do too

 

[TL4S]

It is challenging to decipher what we know, and translate that to an understanding of where she was, and what happened at those locations.

We have three locations:

• Boundary and Middle Str (CCTV)
• 1900 385 Ave (location of incident per arrest warrant)
• Cornfield (body location)

The questions seem to be:

• where was she abducted
• where was she assaulted
• where was she murdered

She was identified by the clothing found with her body, which suggests that she was at best partially clothed when found and that all clothing were found at that location.

If we take the most straight forward interpretation, Mollie was stalked at Boundary and Middle Str., abducted at 1900 385 Ave, and driven to the cornfield where she was sexually assaulted and murdered.

That is definitely the most straight forward, I agree.
Otto, do you have the original LE POI map? I can't find it and the website is no longer.

 

[Deleted member 718]

"Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that he can’t discuss whether or not she was held for any period of time after being taken. He says he isn’t sure if Rivera may have spotted Tibbetts previously while she was out running or while they were “out and about” in the small community.

A motive has not been confirmed."

Cops Wonder: If Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Has No Record — Who Jumps to Murder That Fast?

 

[otto]

That is definitely the most straight forward, I agree.
Otto, do you have the original LE POI map? I can't find it and the website is no longer.

I do.

 

[Gardenista]

I don't think I've ever heard LE wonder about this on other cases.

Cops Wonder: If Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Has No Record — Who Jumps to Murder That Fast?

 

[TL4S]

I do.

Thank you!

 

[Justice101]

Doesn’t it seem a bit off that in the five weeks he had to think about what he was going to say the best he could come up with is leading them to a body?

The problem is that he doesn't know the training and skill from the people interviewing him.

Those LE people (local ,state and federal) are EXPERTS in discovering deception. If the story is made up, there is almost no way, when questioned to the Nth degree, that these investigators were not going to find the (not thought out) holes in his story.

Once they got him to acknowledge that he was driving the car where the license plate was read shortly before she was abducted... then the trap was set.

Did you see her? ("no - don't remember seeing anyone jogging").

Why did you drive back around twice? ("I was just driving around and around")

You had to have seen her.. she was only 30 seconds ahead of you and we caught you with your brake lights on (this is a lie... just to get him to adjust the story). - ("Well, maybe I did slow down so I didn't hit her."

But you just said that you didn't see her? "Well.. maybe I did. I must have but I don't remember."

So, if you did slow down, did you stop? "No I didn't stop".

You are lying to us.. we have you on camera stopping your car! (This is also a lie) We will ask you again, did you stop and why??? "Well, yes I did. She was running out in the road so I stopped to tell her to get off the road because it is dangerous"

So, you ALSO talked to her? "Yes, I told her to get off the road and then I got back in the car and drove off".

So, you got out of your car TOO??? "Yes, but only for a second to yell at her"

Did she talk back? "yes ,she said she would call the police.. so I left"

Etc, etc. to the final confession and location of her lifeless body.

You see, this is how these trained experts get to the truth. There is very little the guy could do if he was trying to conceal the truth.

I would like to think of myself as a smart person. I can give all the details logically of a real story when asked any question when I know the truth...no matter how off the wall the questions are. Therefore, if I am told a lie by the investigators, if I know the truth differs...then I know what they said is a lie...because I know the truth.

But if the lie they tell matches the truth, then I have to assume they know the truth on that point... so I am screwed on that minor point so I need to adjust my story to account for that minor deviation...but the slippery slope is set and investigators will employ a few lies here and there to get the perpetrator to change the story to where it is close to the real truth.

The best someone can do being interrogated like this is to not change their story to acknowledge a lie. But investigators also know some truth and know if the person is actually lying. Bottom line: Investigators have an extremely good chance to get a deceptively guilty person to eventually admit most of the story of what they have done.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I don't think I've ever heard LE wonder about this on other cases.

Cops Wonder: If Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Has No Record — Who Jumps to Murder That Fast?

Every serial killer starts somewhere. Thanks to brilliant LE he was caught.

 

[The Farm]

Every serial killer starts somewhere. Thanks to brilliant LE he was caught.

Yes but it was the security camera video that nailed it for them. So glad those residents had it.

Has the hearing still not started, nothing is happening??

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yeah, almost always as I remember. Easier to work up the courage to yell to people out the window, I would think.

Didn't involve alcohol or drugs in my part of the country either. We didn't yell, we waved -- perhaps more vigorously than the queen . . .

 

[CuriousCricket]

But if there is nowhere out of sight to do the crime, and your car is parked on the edge of the road, you'd be worried about someone coming over the hill at any moment.

If you are suddenly that angry, you're not thinking about consequences. You have leapt into action without thinking.

 

[TL4S]

If you are suddenly that angry, you're not thinking about consequences. You have leapt into action without thinking.

Plus he probably thought it was dark...being he was blacked out and all.

 

[Gardenista]

Yes but it was the security camera video that nailed it for them. So glad those residents had it.

Has the hearing still not started, nothing is happening??

The hearing today was waived.

 

[CheetosDust]

Yes but it was the security camera video that nailed it for them. So glad those residents had it.

Has the hearing still not started, nothing is happening??

Still not seeing anything either. Just the Dow Jones.

 

[Al Hoffman]

This link says today's (2nd) preliminary hearing can be watched live at 3 pm ET:
LIVE: Court hearing held for Mollie Tibbetts' murder suspect

Went to the link, only background chatter and Dow Jones. Maybe 3 pm central?

 

[Niner]

The hearing today was waived.

to when??

 

[Gardenista]

Went to the link, only background chatter and Dow Jones. Maybe 3 pm central?

Man accused of killing Mollie Tibbetts waives preliminary hearing